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See @Tails very helpful projections above for a guide on how quickly they will rise. Maybe you can pass on 1-2 of them and skew towards DGR players.

Some very helpful/logical advice I received, I think originally from @Herbie66 and @THCLT, is to view a BBL season in blocks of games (usually determined by the timing of DGRs and byes). In the IPL I did 4-5 week blocks, this BBL round 1-3 seems a logical period to plan for initially.

If you have a side that doesn’t consider DGRs much at all, another side that is almost exclusively focused on DGR players (eg Stars, Hobart and Adelaide players) and then merge the two, trimming the weakest parts and retaining the strongest parts, you should end up in a good spot.

One thing I’d flag is that Adelaide have two DGRs back to back, so if in doubt I think including more Strikers makes sense over any other side.

If you do that you also have less need to trade between R2 and R3.

Under this framework you’d normally start planning for the next c. 4 week phase as the first one draws to a close. If you don’t have a strong need to trade additional players in for R3 (eg because you already have enough Strikers) you can actually start phase 2 a fraction earlier.

I hope this makes sense!
Thanks mate appreciate the help, that’s given me a bit to think about. I’ve rejigged my team so I can use my stars players to trade for say Salt, Rashid and Siddle/Briggs I can have a fair few DGR players for the first 3 rounds. Hopefully M.Short actually plays or that’s a real waste of a spot. Cheers
 

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Great post

I have been caught in the last focusing too much on DGR players and ended up with SGR premiums sitting on the bench.

Still need to work out the correct balance.

Maybe this season we can try looping premiums off the bench.

Hobart

Short is obvious
I am quite bullish on Faulkner , McDermott & Meredith.

Will need to await Lamichanne confirmation.

Strikers

IF Wade was available for Round 2 , I would seriously not pick Rashid Khan 😀

Am trying to start Wells

Will target Rashid Khan & Siddle.

Probably throw a blanket over Renshaw/Salt/Weatherald.

So no doubt Agar , Briggs , Short & Worrall will be the ones that go 100 +

Possibly looking too far ahead but I think cash generation could very well be a problem getting in Renegades/Sixers so hopefully they start slowly and lose significant $$$ (do we still want them)

If I start the likes of Bazley , Gotch , Nielsen , Turner , Wildermuth etc etc they certainly won't be making $$$ to trade out , similar to McDermott & Stanlake so yes it could well be a case of playing the BE game to generate cash.

The other thing is do we have to actually use our 3 trades each round ? I think I automatically think I have too , but with less DGR maybe you don't need to this season.

Once a few more players get added will need to sit down and get the calculator out.
On the 3 trades issue, I agree that sometimes we just assume we have to/will use them and maybe that can get us into sticky situations.

Equally if you only had 2 trades you wanted to use, I suspect there would almost always be a 3rd side swap (eg for cash gen, if nothing else) that wouldn’t be beneficial ex ante. Whether it works out that way ex post is another question 🙂
 
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My apologies

My research has been poor

Brathwaite did in fact withdraw from the LPL and was replaced by Lendl Simmons.

Sorry for any confusion caused.
 
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Made an interesting no-Short (rd 1) team for 7 dgw depending on if Dunk is used after seeing Handscomb,

11 dgw rd 2 (getting Ellis, short and khan for stoinis, Zampa and Maxwell),

and up to 8 dgw round 3 (although that is a lot of strikers, Carey, Siddle, wells and Briggs main omissions to bring in but expensive so would likely need to trade Short). Any more than this would mean MShort and Nielson /Valente which is too far.

Food for thought for the DGW optimisers amongst us
 

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Thanks mate appreciate the help, that’s given me a bit to think about. I’ve rejigged my team so I can use my stars players to trade for say Salt, Rashid and Siddle/Briggs I can have a fair few DGR players for the first 3 rounds. Hopefully M.Short actually plays or that’s a real waste of a spot. Cheers
This looks pretty good to me.

One feature of the “planning in blocks” approach is that it works well as a reminder of the impact of decisions in 2-3 rounds time. In particular it can work well to work backwards - eg starting from the fact that Adelaide have back to back DGRs, that’s a big advantage to picking their players, so which ones do you want, and how and when do you get them in?

For me it’s a reason to start somewhat fewer Hurricanes (who have the same early fixture, with one fewer DGR than Adelaide) and/or SGR players.

You might find that spots for a couple of Jacks/Ingram/Milne/Tye/Morkel types end up giving you more upside if they become (say) a Strikers player, when viewed across rounds 1-3.

You can obviously go too far with the DGR players, but (assuming you don’t start 5+ Strikers and create yourself a bye problem in R1) Strikers look more appealing to me than Hurricanes and even Stars, given the two DGRs - so I’m starting from that point.
 
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Made an interesting no-Short (rd 1) team for 7 dgw depending on if Dunk is used after seeing Handscomb,

11 dgw rd 2 (getting Ellis, short and khan for stoinis, Zampa and Maxwell),

and up to 8 dgw round 3 (although that is a lot of strikers, Carey, Siddle, wells and Briggs main omissions to bring in but expensive so would likely need to trade Short). Any more than this would mean MShort and Nielson /Valente which is too far.

Food for thought for the DGW optimisers amongst us

well hello there 😀

this has certainly grabbed my attention , certainly like the theory behind it

not 100% sold on a few of the players but that is personal choice

not sure I would trade Stoinis out in Round 2 though (have no issues with Maxwell & Zampa though)

I like it
 
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Starting to have doubts on the benefits of Dunk/Gotch now even at their price and DGR

Round 2 Maddinson is due back
Round 3 Bye
Round 4 isn't this where they said Bairstow is available from ?

and no one knows for sure when Pooran's first game is.

only other similar priced options though are :-

Gilkes/Holt (Billings factor)
Peirson (possibly Banton keeps)

looping Handscomb/McDermott Game 1 could cause issues if they fail

Bancroft $ 84,200.00 but could lose his spot to Livingstone & Roy.
 
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Slickered, Remaining Salary $0.00. Guess it's meant to be.

B Dunk. (B McDermott.)

M Stoinis, G Maxwell, A Finch, C Lynn, M Bryant. (P Salt, H Nielsen.)

D Short, A Zampa, W Jacks, N Coulter-Nile, B Stanlake. (N Ahmad, M Owen.)

Anyone care to take a punt on the Hurricanes batting line up without Wade. Keen to know where Handscomb fits in the mix with McDermott and Ingram.
 
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Awesome, thank you!

On that basis they really aren’t a must start, unless you think they will go materially above 50/game early on.

I guess in a way it makes sense.

If you start a player in AFL who you think is worth $600k, but you can get them for $400k, it’s not like they rise to c. $600k quickly, even if you are correct. The cash gen takes time.
Doesn't it take 3 games for a players price to rise in AFL so it's not that similar to BBL which rises immediately?
 

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Doesn't it take 3 games for a players price to rise in AFL so it's not that similar to BBL which rises immediately?
You’re right about the AFL, and I believe it has changed recently for the BBL, so it is immediate.

Even adjusting for the two round lag, if a player was priced at $400k and punching out 120 every week (ie what you’d need to be worth $600k), I reckon it would probably take >6 rounds to make say 80% of the cash difference. The last bit is always very slow, but the first but does come quicker.
 
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Is someone able to help me with an Excel question.

I'm using bigbashboard to build a spreadsheet. (I don't know how to grab it all, so will work through a team a day). I've Googled and found many places for the info but not the specific formula I need.

Ive started to use the following (its about grabbing the correct points for the SR when runs are 20 or more, although I've used >19). I think I need the same part of the formula for the bowling SR as well... Here's the start.)

The example is: 23 (runs, which is "I2" ) + 25 (strikerate points of 191.67 which is is the cell "N2"), so answer should be 48, but I keep getting "23", or "28", depending on the removal of an "=" when it allows me.

=SUM((I2) +(IF(AND(I2>19,(IF(AND(N2>119.99,5, IF(N2>129.99,10,IF(N2>139.99,15,IF(N2>1499.99,20,IF(N2>159.99,25))))),0)))))

I want to do it all in one formula. Once I understand this, I can figure the rest, I'm just not sure if it's better to do it this way or add more columns which I know how to make it work.

Any thoughts?
 
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Is someone able to help me with an Excel question.

I'm using bigbashboard to build a spreadsheet. (I don't know how to grab it all, so will work through a team a day). I've Googled and found many places for the info but not the specific formula I need.

Ive started to use the following (its about grabbing the correct points for the SR when runs are 20 or more, although I've used >19). I think I need the same part of the formula for the bowling SR as well... Here's the start.)

The example is: 23 (runs, which is "I2" ) + 25 (strikerate points of 191.67 which is is the cell "N2"), so answer should be 48, but I keep getting "23", or "28", depending on the removal of an "=" when it allows me.

=SUM((I2) +(IF(AND(I2>19,(IF(AND(N2>119.99,5, IF(N2>129.99,10,IF(N2>139.99,15,IF(N2>1499.99,20,IF(N2>159.99,25))))),0)))))

I want to do it all in one formula. Once I understand this, I can figure the rest, I'm just not sure if it's better to do it this way or add more columns which I know how to make it work.

Any thoughts?
Can't see the spreadsheet but I'd personally send @Beg2Differ a PM .... I might be wrong (doubt it) but he is currently and has been a previous "guru" at this sort of stuff ...
 
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Is someone able to help me with an Excel question.

I'm using bigbashboard to build a spreadsheet. (I don't know how to grab it all, so will work through a team a day). I've Googled and found many places for the info but not the specific formula I need.

Ive started to use the following (its about grabbing the correct points for the SR when runs are 20 or more, although I've used >19). I think I need the same part of the formula for the bowling SR as well... Here's the start.)

The example is: 23 (runs, which is "I2" ) + 25 (strikerate points of 191.67 which is is the cell "N2"), so answer should be 48, but I keep getting "23", or "28", depending on the removal of an "=" when it allows me.

=SUM((I2) +(IF(AND(I2>19,(IF(AND(N2>119.99,5, IF(N2>129.99,10,IF(N2>139.99,15,IF(N2>1499.99,20,IF(N2>159.99,25))))),0)))))

I want to do it all in one formula. Once I understand this, I can figure the rest, I'm just not sure if it's better to do it this way or add more columns which I know how to make it work.

Any thoughts?
If that formula is a direct copy, I think it might be that the elements within a SUM formula are usually separated by a comma, which doesn’t appear to be included? I would consider eliminating the use of SUM altogether in this case, especially if it keeps causing you issues.

Also I think the nesting of the strike rate conditions (>119.99 etc) might be causing issues - I think it’s identifying that the first condition (>119.99) is being met, and therefore adding 5 for the SR bonus, rather than proceeding to test the more stringent SR conditions (129.99, 139.99 etc).

I think two options would be (1) to reverse the order of your SR tests so that they go from high to low, or (2) possibly tweak the formula more broadly so that a player gets 5 SR points if the SR is >119.99, a further 5 if it is also above 129.99, and so on. Option (2) is probably not as clean, but could potentially work.

If I were doing it, I’d reverse the order of those SR conditions first, and then see whether any further changes are required ... and if they are, assess whether anything else above would also be worth trying.
 
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If that formula is a direct copy, I think it might be that the elements within a SUM formula are usually separated by a comma, which doesn’t appear to be included? I would consider eliminating the use of SUM altogether in this case, especially if it keeps causing you issues.

Also I think the nesting of the strike rate conditions (>119.99 etc) might be causing issues - I think it’s identifying that the first condition (>119.99) is being met, and therefore adding 5 for the SR bonus, rather than proceeding to test the more stringent SR conditions (129.99, 139.99 etc).

I think two options would be (1) to reverse the order of your SR tests so that they go from high to low, or (2) possibly tweak the formula more broadly so that a player gets 5 SR points if the SR is >119.99, a further 5 if it is also above 129.99, and so on. Option (2) is probably not as clean, but could potentially work.

If I were doing it, I’d reverse the order of those SR conditions first, and then see whether any further changes are required ... and if they are, assess whether anything else above would also be worth trying.
👍 I reversed it, tweaked it from there, (also removed "AND") Works perfectly! Thanks.
 
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Thoughts on the Stars bowling lineup (disregarding Maxwell & Stoinis)

Assuming Big Billy , NCN & Zampa are locks

If the Zahir Khan rumours are true.

Does Hinchliffe hold his spot or do they play another quick ?

Looks like Morris is the only other quick on their list at the moment.
 
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