Discussion 2021: Strategy, Team & Player Discussions

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havent done too much research

but liking the look of this

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Arguably 12 locks, 4 or 5 captain possibilities) and 3 midprice bets... and still room for a couple of high priced rookies - I mean our rookies will change (Roberton for instance just stepped away).

I dont' think I have the balls to not go With the top priced player in the mids and backline this year.
 
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I'm considering running a lock and load midprice madness comp this year actually. Restricted to players 200K - 450K. Just waiting for SC to open to everyone before I create a topic for it - might not be enough interest though...
Just a random selection over my breakfast.
 

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RD8 2020 to RD17 2020:
SC:
J Lloyd: 130.7 from 10
L McDonald: 118.4 from 10
L Ryan: 116.4 from 10
T Stewart: 108.1 from 10
C Daniel: 100.7 from 10
S Docherty: 81.44 from 9

Disposals:
J Lloyd: 27.5
L McDonald: 24.9
L Ryan: 21.1
T Stewart: 20.7
C Daniel: 20.6
S Docherty: 15.56

Marks:
T Stewart: 7.2
L Ryan: 5.6
L McDonald: 5.3
J Lloyd: 5.1
S Docherty: 3.78
C Daniel: 3.2

Effective Disposals:
J Lloyd: 21.3 or 77.45%
L McDonald: 20.2 or 81.12%
L Ryan: 17.3 or 81.99%
T Stewart: 17.2 or 83.09%
C Daniel: 16.7 or 81.07%
S Docherty: 11.22 or 72.14%

Intercepts:
L Ryan: 8.5
J Lloyd: 7.1
L McDonald: 7
S Docherty: 5.56
T Stewart: 4.9
C Daniel: 4.8
 
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What are peoples thoughts on this combination for D4/5
  1. Laird - Def
  2. Taranto - Mid
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  1. Williams - Def
  2. Laird - Mid
Is Taranto a better prospect scoring or being retained (Keeper) against Williams?
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Pick the one that will most likely be a keeper. For me that is Williams.

I'm trying to put together a check list for my starting team this season, to ensure I don't pick dodgy starters, as I usually do. This will basically be a list of rules that I'll make sure I'm sticking to for a change. This includes stuff like "No key forwards" and "Don't pick based on high scoring pre-season games" - both have burned me multiple times previously. I know we have a lot of very good coaches here, any suggestions for items to add to this list will be greatly appreciated.

Also, has anyone heard what is happening with the number of trades and price changes this season? This will influence my starting team: if prices change after 2 games rather than 3 again, the right rookie selection especially is crucial. I badly messed things up last year and it took me over half the season to fix up my starting side.

Thanks.
In addition to Darkie's essay, try to go heavy on the final bye round players. Full training by 1 Feb. Pick the defensive rookies, but rarely KPD. Do not trust a thing Scott (ret), Lyon (ret), nor Beveridge say in preseason. Pick a fallen premo over a breakout player.
Cheers

Just a random selection over my breakfast.
Oh my gosh, clear team asap, actually, save, print and frame "thou shall not select any players over 275k on this list"....actually I do like a couple ;)
 
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RD8 2020 to RD17 2020:
SC:
J Lloyd: 130.7 from 10
L McDonald: 118.4 from 10
L Ryan: 116.4 from 10
T Stewart: 108.1 from 10
C Daniel: 100.7 from 10
S Docherty: 81.44 from 9

Disposals:
J Lloyd: 27.5
L McDonald: 24.9
L Ryan: 21.1
T Stewart: 20.7
C Daniel: 20.6
S Docherty: 15.56

Marks:
T Stewart: 7.2
L Ryan: 5.6
L McDonald: 5.3
J Lloyd: 5.1
S Docherty: 3.78
C Daniel: 3.2

Effective Disposals:
J Lloyd: 21.3 or 77.45%
L McDonald: 20.2 or 81.12%
L Ryan: 17.3 or 81.99%
T Stewart: 17.2 or 83.09%
C Daniel: 16.7 or 81.07%
S Docherty: 11.22 or 72.14%

Intercepts:
L Ryan: 8.5
J Lloyd: 7.1
L McDonald: 7
S Docherty: 5.56
T Stewart: 4.9
C Daniel: 4.8
And I'd just convinced myself to remove seagull. Dammit. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:(y)
 
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KFC SuperCoach AFL: Tim Michell’s top-50 mid-price rankings
How do you find a KFC SuperCoach mid-pricer who’s ready to become a premium? We’ve done the hard work for you, ranking 2021’s best options from 1-50.

How do you separate the underpriced premiums from the mid-priced traps?

Answer that question and you’ll be well on your way to KFC SuperCoach glory.

Every year, there’s at least two or three players who start in the mid-price bracket and finish the season as fully-fledged premiums.

Think Clayton Oliver in 2018 and Jordan Ridley in 2020.

What those two have in common is their emergence as KFC SuperCoach studs coincided with breakout seasons.

But successful KFC SuperCoach mid-pricers can come in many forms.

They can be players starved of opportunities at one club who grasp their chance at another — Braydon Preuss.

Or injured stars who have missed a season or two but are primed to re-establish themselves at the top of the pecking order — Sam Docherty last year.

Then of course there’s the Olivers of the world who go from a rookie prodigy to the real deal.

This year presents the full gammit of mid-price options, several of whom finished last season with a flourish to suggest they’re ready to take the next step.

Tim Michell has ranked the best 50 mid-price options of the year — who will make your team?

1. Braydon Preuss (GWS Giants) RUC $303,000 2020 average: 62.7

Preuss is going to be one of the most-popular players in KFC SuperCoach in 2021 after biding his time behind Todd Goldstein at North Melbourne and Max Gawn at Melbourne. He’ll finally get the chance to be No. 1 ruck at GWS Giants and his numbers when Gawn missed games at Melbourne are very encouraging. The downside is you’ll miss out on points unless he matches Gawn or Brodie Grundy early in the season and be burning a trade when you inevitably turn Preuss into one of the big two.

2. Zac Williams (Carlton) DEF $458,600 2020 average: 85.4

Williams started 2020 more than $90,000 more expensive than his 2021 price. The new Blue averaged 101.6 points during a career-best 2019 and will have opportunities to match that output when he joins Patrick Cripps and Sam Walsh in the Carlton midfield. He’s shaping as the Sam Docherty of 2021 — expect him to be very popular.

3. Tim Taranto (GWS Giants) $453,700 MID 2020 average: 84.5

Could make a strong case that Taranto should be No. 1 on this list. The GWS midfield bull was the Giants’ best and fairest in 2019 and averaged 102.4 in his side’s Grand Final season. Taranto never hit those same heights last season after returning from shoulder surgery, scoring three tons in 11 matches. He’s available for more than $100,000 less than his starting price last year and was one of my first-picked.

4. Liam Duggan (West Coast) DEF $448,600 2020 average: 83.5

Duggan was thrown into the midfield in the second half of 2020 and averaged 98 in his last eight games. That average would have ranked him in the top-15 defenders last season, yet he’s priced outside the top-30 for 2021. Watch his role with interest in pre-season. If he’s going to feature in the engine room, there’s just as much reason to consider starting him as Zac Williams.

5. Alex Witherden (West Coast) DEF $456,100 2020 average: 94.3

The Phantom won’t be happy with him being this low. Witherden struggled for opportunities at Brisbane last season, averaging 94.3 from six matches which included a monster 170 in Round 9. I won’t be surprised if he has been recruited as a long-term successor to Shannon Hurn and want to see the make-up of West Coast’s back six before committing to him. Hurn, Duggan, Tom Cole and Jackson Nelson all shared points last year. He’s well-priced if he walks straight into the Eagles team.

6. Jye Caldwell (Essendon) MID-FWD $348,600 2020 average: 64.9

The promise of greater midfield time is a trap KFC SuperCoaches fall for every year. How often have we seen a player dominate in pre-season as a midfielder, only to find themselves playing in defence or attack come Round 1? I’m more confident Caldwell will fulfil a midfield role at Essendon though and don’t think he would have requested a trade unless Ben Rutten was intent on playing him there. He’s got some hallmarks of James Worpel two seasons ago when he was available as a forward and averaged 97.

7. Jack Ziebell (North Melbourne) FWD $257,900 2020 average: 48

No doubt he comes with an element of risk after being restricted to eight games last season. But if Ziebell does play the halfback role which has been mooted, there’s no reason he can’t return to his scoring feats of 2019 when he averaged 90.9 KFC SuperCoach points. Before an injury-riddled 2020 the Roos skipper hadn’t averaged less than 81 since 2012. At $257k it’s almost like picking a top-priced rookie and you’d take an 80-85 average from Will Phillips, for example.

8. Ben Cunnington (North Melbourne) MID $439,800 2020 average: 102.3

I initially had Cunnington higher on this list but it’s hard to know what condition he’ll return in next season — or when he’ll play next. He battled a back issue during 2020 which ultimately ended his campaign after three games. That was a cruel blow for coaches who jumped on when the season resumed after his score of 185 in Round 1. He averaged 102 in 2019 and would represent value if he reproduces that number.

9. Jackson Hately (Adelaide) MID $310,300 2020 average: 64.2

After walking to the Crows via the pre-season draft, KFC SuperCoach rookie favourite Jackson Hately will be a popular mid-price selection. SuperCoaches were left frustrated during the young midfielder’s time with GWS when he was left in the NEAFL despite posting huge numbers. He’s never had the opportunity to cement himself in his preferred inside midfield role but will get that with Adelaide. His price is awkward and coaches would be hoping for a minimum 90 average. He’s scored 90 points in three of his 13 career games.

10. Dyson Heppell (Essendon) MID $319,100 2020 average: 66

Much like Ziebell, a role across halfback has been forecast for the Essendon captain after struggling with a foot injury last year. Heppell has never quite hit KFC SuperCoach premium status but did average 99.5 or more in four seasons from 2014-2018. Heppell has been limited to 20 games in the past two years and KFC SuperCoaches will need to see positive progress during pre-season before jumping on.
 
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11. Isaac Heeney (Sydney) FWD $454,400 2020 average: 94

12. Jack Lukosius (Gold Coast) DEF $430,800 2020 average: 80.2

13. Shai Bolton (Richmond) FWD-MID $462,400 2020 average: 86.1

14. Jack Scrimshaw (Hawthorn) DEF $399,600 2020 average: 74.4

15. Tom Green (GWS Giants) MID $351,400 2020 average: 72.7

16. Sam Draper (Essendon) RUC $378,100 2020 average: 70.4

17. Dion Prestia (Richmond) $446,800 MID 2020 average: 92.4

18. Brad Crouch (St Kilda) $448,600 MID 2020 average: 83.5

19. Rory Atkins (Gold Coast) $244,200 MID 2020 average: 50.5

20. Tom Doedee (Adelaide) $457,900 DEF 2020 average: 85.2

21. Bachar Houli (Richmond) $465,600 DEF 2020 average: 86.7

22. Rory Sloane (Adelaide) MID $471,900 2020 average: 87.8

23. Toby Greene (GWS Giants) FWD $448,400 2020 average: 83.5

24. Jeremy Cameron (Geelong) FWD $388,100 2020 average: 72.2

25. Ben Brown (Melbourne) FWD $260,300 2020 average: 48.4

Isaac Heeney just falls into the mid-price bracket after another season where his KFC SuperCoach owners were frustrated by his lack of midfield action. He’s always had the potential to be SuperCoach’s No. 1 forward. Hopefully the return of Lance Franklin and key forward Logan McDonald joining Sydney via the draft will see him unleashed. Jack Lukosius and Shai Bolton emerged as stars of the future last season, while Jack Scrimshaw flourished after James Sicily went down with a knee injury. Tom Green has shades of Clayton Oliver 2.0 and the Melbourne star took a huge step to SuperCoach stardom in his second season.

Sam Draper would be a POD selection for those not sold on Preuss and will assume the No. 1 ruck mantle at Essendon. Dion Prestia’s best is a rung below the elite KFC SuperCoach midfielders, although a 100 average from a player under $450k would be handy. Brad Crouch has never averaged 100 but will be out to prove his worth at St Kilda. Rory Atkins’ best KFC SuperCoach season was an average of 79, but he’s cheap enough to consider and will slot straight in for Gold Coast.

Tom Doedee, Bachar Houli, Rory Sloane and Toby Greene could all be classed as premiums but are at the higher end of the mid-price bracket. Key forwards are traditionally KFC SuperCoach kryptonite but Jeremy Cameron and Ben Brown should be considered at prices well below their peaks.

26. Lance Franklin (Sydney) FWD $312,000 2020 average: N/A

27. Nic Newman (Carlton) DEF $415,400 2020 average: 23.5

28. Jack Martin (Carlton) FWD $446,300 2020 average: 83.1

29. Wayne Milera (Adelaide) DEF $312,200 2020 average: 83

30. Tom Lynch (Richmond) FWD $366,700 2020 average: 68.3

31. Hayden Young (Fremantle) DEF $279,400 2020 average: 52

32. Connor Rozee (Port Adelaide) FWD $377,200 2020 average: 70.2

33. Isaac Cumming (GWS Giants) DEF $288,000 2020 average: 67

34. Joe Daniher (Brisbane Lions) FWD $233,300 2020 average: 48.3

35. Peter Wright (Essendon) FWD $292,300 2020 average: N/A

36. Tom Hickey (Sydney) RUC $261,100 2020 average: 54

37. Oscar McInerney (Brisbane Lions) RUC $443,400 2020 average: 82.5

38. Brayden Sier (Collingwood) MID $313,800 2020 average: 73

39. Liam Ryan (West Coast) FWD $409,600 2020 average: 76.2

40. Jack Darling (West Coast) FWD $434,900 2020 average: 80.9

Is there going to be a more interesting player next season than Lance Franklin? It’ll be three years since Buddy last averaged 100 and he didn’t play at all in 2020 — yet there will be serious temptation if he shows any signs of his best in pre-season. Nic Newman would be higher in the top 50 but there has to be some conjecture about his role after Carlton signed Williams and Adam Saad. Jack Martin had soft-tissue issues last year which makes him a risky pick, as many of these mid-pricers are. Wayne Milera’s season was cut short by foot surgery last year but the Crow has always threatened to become a reliable SuperCoach scorer. Connor Rozee spent too much time forward last year after two hundreds to open the campaign. Joe Daniher doesn’t have the same proven history of SuperCoach scoring as Franklin, but at least he’s $80k cheaper. Oscar McInerney was a revelation as Brisbane’s No. 1 ruckman last season, but is no longer eligible as a RUC-FWD. Tom Hickey’s price appeals but he’s never averaged 90 in a season.

41. Toby Nankervis (Richmond) RUC $442,900 2020 average: 82.4

42. Zac Bailey (Brisbane Lions) FWD-MID $420,300 2020 average: 78.2

43. Callan Ward (GWS Giants) MID $409,900 2020 average: 76.3

44. Tarryn Thomas (North Melbourne) FWD $290,100 2020 average: 54

45. George Hewett (Sydney) MID $374,700 2020 average: 77.5

46. Ben McEvoy (Hawthorn) DEF-RUC $456,000 2020 average: 84.9

47. Stefan Martin (Western Bulldogs) RUC $272,200 2020 average: 50.7

48. Jack Higgins (St Kilda) FWD $419,600 2020 average: 78.1

49. Lachie Fogarty (Carlton) FWD $319,100 2020 average: 66

50. Oleg Markov (Gold Coast) DEF $314,300 2020 average: 65

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The gun midfielder trained away from teammates for half of the Hawks' searching three-hour session at Waverley Park on Wednesday morning before departing the track.
The 27-year-old isn't expected to rejoin the main squad for up to a month and will likely miss both the Hawks' pre-season AAMI Community Series fixtures on February 20 and March 6.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/541890/hawk-champ-in-r1-doubt-chad-shines-no-sign-of-winger

Will be on my do not touch list usually those shoulders don't come good all year.
 
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KFC SuperCoach 2021: The breakout players ready to take the next step

The key to getting the jump in KFC SuperCoach is identifying the players who can take the next step. The Phantom takes an in-depth look at 7 names who may do so.

The Phantom

Every KFC SuperCoach knows the big guns - the stars of the game almost guaranteed to score well.
But the key to getting the jump on the rest of the competition - in your league or in the race for the grand prize - is identifying the players set to take the next step.

Sure, it can backfire - we’ve all been there - but finding the value in KFC SuperCoach is key to building the foundation of a successful year.

Here are seven players The Phantom is tipping to increase their average significantly in 2021.

Adam Cerra (Fremantle)
$484,800, Mid

2020 average: 90

The Phantom’s predicted 2021 average: 102

Technically, along with fellow top-five pick from the 2017 draft Andrew Brayshaw, Cerra had a breakout season last year. The 21-year-old increased his average from 62 to 90 after posting five KFC SuperCoach tons.

The spike was on the back of a move further up the ground with Cerra spending 86 per cent of game-time in the midfield last season – plenty of it on a wing.

But his form in the second-half of the year suggests the classy ball-user, who averaged 138 points in the NAB league in 2017, is a chance of another sharp spike in 2021. Cerra averaged 101 points per game from Round 9 onwards and, in another sign his midfield responsibility is on the way up, attended 27 centre bounces in the final two matches.

The Phantom’s verdict: The price and loss of dual-position status hurts – and it makes him hard to start with this season. But I’m tipping he’ll be a KFC SuperCoach favourite for years to come

Tom Green (GWS)
$351,400, Mid

2020 average: 73

Phantom’s predicted 2021 average: 108

In Round 17 last year, Green tallied 30 disposals, 20 contested possessions and 119 KFC SuperCoach points in 67 per cent game-time. The big-bodied midfielder finished with 19 groundball gets, the most recorded in any match.

In fact, Clayton Oliver and Lachie Neale, the AFL’s top two groundball players over the past three seasons, have recorded more in a single outing just once since 2017.

It was 19-year-old Green’s fifth career game. Yes, the fifth time he’s pulled on the Giant’s jumper in the senior side.

But some weren’t surprised. The 191cm Green holds Champion Data’s contested possession record at the national under-18 carnival.

It also wouldn’t be a surprise to see Green mirror the second-year rise of Oliver, who increased his KFC SuperCoach average from 70 to 111 in 2017.

Phantom’s verdict: I’m serious about the predicted average and that’s why he’s in my side – and staying there.

Shai Bolton (Richmond)
$462,400, Fwd/Mid

2020 average: 86

Phantom’s predicted 2021 average: 98

It started in 2019 - the skilful Tiger’s third year in the competition. In Round 16, after spending most of the first 17 games of his career in the forward line, Richmond coach Damien Hardwick deployed Bolton in the midfield.

And he was electric, averaging 27 disposals, eight contested possessions, four clearances and 117 KFC SuperCoach points, while also booting three goals, in the next two matches. He returned to his role as a small-forward for the finals and was dropped after the Tigers loss to the Saints in Round 4 last year.

But with Dion Prestia going down with injury, Bolton not only returned to the Richmond side, but to the midfield, in Round 6 and he hasn’t looked back.

Despite the slow start to the season, the 22-year-old ranked second at the Tigers for score involvements, third for metres gained and fifth for contested possessions and clearances. He finished with five KFC SuperCoach tons in the minor round and posted a career-high 135 points, on the back of 16 disposals, nine contested possessions and seven tackles, in the grand final win over the Cats.

Phantom’s verdict: A real chance to be a top-six forward this year.

Jack Scrimshaw (Haw)
$399,600, Def

2020 average: 74

Phantom’s predicted 2021 average: 90

When James Sicily went down with a season-ending knee injury last year, Scrimshaw’s output went up.

In his first seven games for the season, the left-footer averaged 63 KFC SuperCoach points.

In the six following Sicily’s injury, Scrimshaw averaged 85 per game.

The +22 differential is enough to get him in this article alone, given Sicily’s absence in 2021.

But it’s not the only impressive number to come from his fourth season in the competition. From Round 12 onwards, the 22-year-old, who has only played 27 career games, averaged 2.8 intercept marks per game and took three or more in four of the final six matches.

Only Nick Haynes (3.4) and Jeremy McGovern (3.2) averaged more for the year.

Phantom’s verdict: I like him, but can he push the top-six in defence? I don’t think so but he’s likely to get you up to someone who will very quickly.

Josh Daicos (Coll)
$442,200, Mid

2020 average: 82

Phantom’s predicted 2021 average: 95

There’s a giant Adam Treloar-sized hole in Collingwood’s midfield. Sure, Taylor Adams has thrived in Treloar’s absence in the past and Scott Pendlebury is showing little sign of slowing down. And then there’s Brayden Sier.

But there’s also a chance Daicos, after an impressive finish to 2020, is handed more of an all-round midfield role, despite his effectiveness on the outside.

The 22-year-old was one of the highlights of Collingwood’s season, showing poise, skill – on both sides - and a terrific footy IQ.

Daicos, who averaged eight more points per game without Treloar in the side, passed the 85-point mark on eight occasions and posted four KFC SuperCoach tons.

More impressive, though, was his 1.7 clangers per game, the lowest of any Magpie to average 15 disposals or more.

His contested-possession rate has never been high, dating back through his junior career and VFL days, but his performance against the Lions in Round 15 proves he can win the ball in any way.

Daicos, who finished with 25 disposals, tallied 12 contested possessions and six clearances – both career-highs. Only Lions star Jarryd Lyons won more of the ball in contest that night.

Phantom’s verdict: Many were quick to write him off as a player – and in KFC SuperCoach – but there was so much to like last year. Is it enough to start him as a midfielder-only? I don’t think so, but expect a spike.

Will Setterfield (Carl)
$481,900, Mid

2020 average: 90

Phantom’s predicted 2021 average: 105

Since arriving at Ikon Park at the end of 2018, the former Giant has been building quietly.

Setterfield failed to reach three figures in his first year, averaging just 61 points per game. But he did miss the previous 12 months with an ACL tear and the Blues struggled.

He started last season slow, too, averaging 68 points across the first five games.

But then, after a clear role change, he found the form which saw him average of 142 KFC SuperCoach points in his non-injury-affected NAB league games during his draft year.

From Round 5 onwards, Setterfield spent 74 per cent of his time in the midfield, averaged 99 points per game and in a huge end to the year, posted scores of 141, 97, 88, 107 and 111 in the final five matches.

Setterfield averaged 18 disposals, nine contested possessions, six tackles and four clearances over the impressive stretch, despite spending more than 81 per of the game on the ground just once.

Phantom’s verdict: Setterfield has always boasted KFC SuperCoach-friendly traits. And now, with confidence in his body and in his spot in the Blues’ midfield, I’m expecting him to carrying that 108-point five-game average into 2021.

Will Brodie (GC)
$344,900, Fwd/Mid

2020 average: 36

Phantom’s predicted 2021 average: 92

Again, Phantom, really?

It’s going to happen at some point, my friends.

In his eight games in 2019, Brodie tallied 20 disposals or more and passed the 88-point mark in KFC SuperCoach on four occasions.

In the final round of the year, the 189cm midfielder finished with 26 disposals, 12 contested possessions, 10 tackles and 110 KFC SuperCoach points in just 68 per cent game-time.

But then, for reasons mainly revolving around his work ethic, Brodie was dropped after one senior game in 2020 and didn’t return.

So, why now?

In the off-season, Brodie didn’t stop running. He’s shed five kilograms and slashed 30 seconds of his 2km time trial when the Suns returned to training.

“Hopefully this will be my year,” Brodie said recently.

So do I.

Phantom’s verdict: Long-time readers will know my affection for Brodie. And, as a mid-price forward, I may not be able to resist again if he impresses during the pre-season competition.

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I like the Phantoms work. His argument on Green is far too baseless though. I'm not saying he's wrong, but the evidence doesnt match the conclusion.

Some of Olivers off field stuff is nuts. On Instagram he posted 100x100, I think thats 100x100m sprints? And he also totaled 100km of swimming one off season over summer.

How many 2nd year 108+ players do we see? Not Walsh, Jelly, Mitchell, Neale, etc. Its almost unheard of. Rowell could be the one. His forward craft is alright, and Leon cant be trusted giving him mid minutes over Hopper, Cogs, Jelly, Ward, Taranto, etc, although I think he should be getting as much mid minutes as he can handle.

The crazy thing with Green though was he only had 48% CBAs when he went he had the 30 disposals.

Clearly a significant prospect for SC, just don't know if he can do it week to week and how many mid minutes he gets.
 
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I like the Phantoms work. His argument on Green is far too baseless though. I'm not saying he's wrong, but the evidence doesnt match the conclusion.

Some of Olivers off field stuff is nuts. On Instagram he posted 100x100, I think thats 100x100m sprints? And he also totaled 100km of swimming one off season over summer.

How many 2nd year 108+ players do we see? Not Walsh, Jelly, Mitchell, Neale, etc. Its almost unheard of. Rowell could be the one. His forward craft is alright, and Leon cant be trusted giving him mid minutes over Hopper, Cogs, Jelly, Ward, Taranto, etc, although I think he should be getting as much mid minutes as he can handle.

The crazy thing with Green though was he only had 48% CBAs when he went he had the 30 disposals.

Clearly a significant prospect for SC, just don't know if he can do it week to week and how many mid minutes he gets.
its clear the problem isnt ability, its leon cameron and the strength of the GWS midfield
 
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A new year often means new roles for players across most AFL teams.
That’s certainly the case at Carlton and Essendon, while several big-name recruits could be unleashed in different parts of the ground.

Foxfooty.com.au profiles the players at every club that are set for role and position changes in 2021.

ADELAIDE

After developing into a classy distributor off half-back, Wayne Milera is set for a switch to the midfield in 2021. The 23-year-old has been training with the club’s on-ball brigade and recently told the club’s website that he sees his long-term future likely away from defence, declaring: “It (the midfield) is where I want to play down the track and I feel I can add a lot to that group.” There have been calls for the recently re-signed Brodie Smith to play as a midfielder-forward, especially after his taste of centre bounce work last year. But the veteran is currently back training with the defensive group and will likely spend 2021 in the back 50. And after playing an outside role – often on a wing – at the Giants, new Crows recruit Jackson Hately is set to play in his preferred position as an inside midfielder — an appropriate move considering Brad Crouch’s departure to St Kilda.

BRISBANE LIONS

Stefan Martin’s move to the Western Bulldogs means Oscar McInerney will become the club’s full-time No. 1 ruckman. With Martin injured for several games in 2020, McInerney got a taste of first-choice ruck life after spending his first few years in the competition playing predominantly as a forward with occasional stints on the ball. But in 2021, he’ll be the main man. After his most promising season yet in 2020, it’ll be fascinating to follow how much midfield time Cameron Rayner receives throughout this year and whether he can make a Christian Petracca-like jump in fitness and output. Also, late last year, club legend Jonathan Brown on SEN called for skipper Dayne Zorko to become “a full-time forward.

CARLTON

Star recruit Zac Williams is the obvious one, with the former Giants half-back to be deployed in the midfield at the Blues. Footy fans saw a glimpse of his potential as an on-baller at the Giants – his 2019 preliminary final against Collingwood was simply breathtaking – so Blues supporters will be hoping Williams can recreate that form at his new club. The other positional switch that’s been flagged surrounds 2019 first-round draftee Brodie Kemp, who didn’t play a senior game last year as he recovered from an ACL rupture. Kemp spent most of his final NAB League season playing as a tall midfielder, while he was also swung forward for Vic Country in the national championships. But the Bendigo Pioneers product has been training with the club’s defenders this off-season, with the Blues planning for Kemp to spend the majority of this year playing as a backman.

COLLINGWOOD

Despite their well-publicised departures during the trade period, don’t expect the Pies to make too many dramatic positional swings. Although gun defender Brayden Marnard recently suggested to the club’s website that he’d love to spend more time in the guts, saying: “I’ve always wanted to be around the ball and around the contest, so I’d love to play midfield.” Gun goalkicker Jordan De Goey has always been a threat forward of centre with occasional centre bounce stints, but after returning to his club’s pre-season campaign in outstanding shape, it remains to be seen whether coach Nathan Buckley will deploy De Goey as an on-baller more often in 2021.

ESSENDON

Expect a few tweaks under new coach Ben Rutten. The most significant that’s been flagged so far surrounds skipper Dyson Heppell, who could return to a role across half-back after several years leading the Bombers’ on-ball brigade. It seems like an ideal time to throw Heppell back, considering the club just lost Adam Saad to Carlton and Conor McKenna to retirement, but the switch is far from locked in. One player definitely heading into defence is recruit Nick Hind. After spending two seasons at the Saints playing mostly as a small, nippy forward, Hind will move to half-back at Essendon – a role change that was flagged during trade negotiations between player and coach. And like Hately at Adelaide, former Giant Jye Caldwell is set to get his wish and play predominantly as an inside midfielder after spending ample time on the wing during his limited senior opportunities at the Giants.

FREMANTLE

We saw snippets of it in 2020, but expect superstar skipper Nat Fyfe to play more minutes in the Fremantle forward line this year. Fyfe spent ample time inside 50 last year, but more out of necessity due to the array of injuries at the Dockers. The silver lining was Andy Brayshaw, Adam Cerra and Caleb Serong were able to develop their craft as full-time midfielders, highlighted by Serong’s AFL Rising Star award, as well as Brayshaw and Cerra’s career-best seasons. But Dockers coach Justin Longmuir flagged in December that his side needed “some contingency plans around our forward line and especially our tall forwards” after losing Jesse Hogan to the Giants. Longmuir told the club’s website: “We’ve probably only got two genuine tall forwards on our list in Matt Taberner and Rory Lobb. Nat Fyfe will spend a little bit more time forward to give us that aerial contest.” Another possibility is that Brennan Cox spends more time inside 50. Despite Cox’s impressive 2020 campaign as a key backman, the Dockers are keen to welcome back tall defensive trio Griffin Logue, Joel Hamling and Alex Pearce from long-term injuries, meaning a move forward could help Cox hold his spot.

GEELONG

Harry Taylor’s retirement leaves a significant chasm in the Cats’ backline. It likely means Mark Blicavs won’t spend too much time as a wing-ruck in 2021, despite his impressive performances in the role last year, with a more permanent move to defence on the cards. It also seems as if young key-position player Nathan Kreuger is being groomed for a defensive role in 2021. After spending much of his career to date playing as a key forward, the 196cm player has been working closely with the Cats’ backline under the tutelage of club legend Matthew Scarlett, who confirmed to the club’s website Geelong would “try and develop him as a young key defender”. And then, of course, is the big question surrounding Patrick Dangerfield’s midfield-forward split, which was heavily weighted towards the attacking arc in last year’s finals series. But with star goalkicker Jeremy Cameron set to form an imposing partnership with Tom Hawkins inside 50, you’d expect Dangerfield to regain some midfield minutes.

GOLD COAST SUNS

On the fringe of the Suns’ best 22 since arriving at the club, top-10 draftee Will Brodie could cement his spot in the senior side in a forward-midfielder role. Perennially stuck in a midfield logjam, Suns coach Stuart Dew late last year revealed his hope that Brodie, regarded as a specialist inside midfielder, could develop into a Mitch Wallis-type role where he’d be capable of playing forward and on the ball. Brodie is in career-best shape after dropping 5kg during the off-season, which will help his cause to break into the club’s top line-up.

GWS GIANTS

After being briefly trialled as a key defender under Justin Longmuir at the Dockers, big-name recruit Jesse Hogan has returned to the forward line at the Giants. Coach Leon Cameron recently declared the Giants expect Hogan to take up a forward role as he looks to cement his spot in the club’s best 22 after a couple of tough, injury-interrupted seasons at the Dockers.

HAWTHORN

Will Day was one of the few shining lights for the Hawks throughout 2020, impressing with his class and composure across half-back. He expects to remain in defence for 2021, but he flagged last month he’d “like to see myself get up into the midfield” one day, whether that’s this year or into the future. Elsewhere, Ben McEvoy’s role will be an interesting storyline to follow. With Jon Ceglar becoming the club’s No. 1 ruckman last year, McEvoy moved to a key defensive position, with the 200cm player experiencing mixed success. Will he spend more time competing at ruck contests in 2021?
 
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MELBOURNE

The Demons’ backline will look a little different to the one that started the 2020 season. Adam Tomlinson was recruited from the Giants to play as a wingman at the Demons, but pushed back later towards the end of last year – and looked far more comfortable in that role. It’s likely Tomlinson will spend most of 2021 as the Demons’ third key defender alongside Steven May and Jake Lever. Whether Tom McDonald joins him remains too will be a fascinating talking point. McDonald managed just nine games last year as he struggled to secure his spot in the Demons’ forward line. And with Ben Brown joining the club and taking the No. 1 key forward mantle, it’s hard to see McDonald starting in the Demons’ attacking arc. Perhaps a move back to defence could be made, especially after the departure of his brother Oscar.

NORTH MELBOURNE

When the Magpies were humming a few years ago, they developed a unique forward line that saw 188cm Jaidyn Stephenson essentially playing a deep, full-forward role. But now that the former Magpie has joined the Kangaroos, he’s likely to spend more game time further up the ground – a role he excelled in as a junior. Blessed with great speed, great kicking skills and a knack for finding the footy, Stephenson is set to be used more outside the forward 50 this year, with new coach David Noble keen for the first-round draftee to help North connect its midfield and forward line during games. There’s also a chance Josh Walker, who was a revelation in defence in his first season at North, spends more time in the forward arc following the departure of Ben Brown to Melbourne.

PORT ADELAIDE

The Swans had been forced to use Aliir Aliir in the ruck out of necessity in recent years. It’s why Aliir was so interested in a move to Port Adelaide, which has recruited the 195cm athlete to play primarily as a key defender. Port is already stacked with key defensive talent with Tom Clurey, Trent McKenzie and Tom Jonas, but Aliir is embracing the challenge of breaking into the club’s backline. He told reporters this week: “To be able to play back – that’s where I think I play my best football and hopefully I can do that here for Port Adelaide.”

RICHMOND

Not much noise out of the Tigers’ camp about positional changes at this stage. The small one to watch will be Noah Balta and whether he pushes higher up the ground into more of a centre half-back role, rather than a deeper, traditional full-back position.

ST KILDA

Brad Crouch spent his time at Adelaide playing as a permanent midfielder. But the new Saint is well aware he – and several other new teammates – will have to adjust due to the big on-ball squeeze at the Saints. Crouch this week told SEN Breakfast: “I think I’ll play forward at different times, maybe outside on a wing and even (we’ve) spoken a little bit about playing half-back at times. All of us in the midfield are now trying to find, not just one, but maybe two places where you can play other than midfield because we’ve probably got seven or eight blocks that can go through there now, which is a real strength.”

SYDNEY SWANS

When the Swans drafted key forward Logan McDonald ahead of key defender Denver Grainger-Barras with Pick 4 last month, a few draft watchers were caught off-guard. But when you consider Sydney is set to develop Tom McCartin permanently as a defender, the recruitment of McDonald makes sense. McCartin played the last five games of the 2020 season as a backman and thrived, averaging 10.4 disposals, 4.0 marks and 6.8 intercepts. It’s a winner move worth persisting with.

WEST COAST EAGLES

Despite having ample on-field versatility, Jarrod Brander has struggled to cement his spot in the Eagle’s best 22 since landing at the club. That’s led to ample speculation over the past two seasons around whether Brander, who was drafted as a forward before being turned into a wingman during 2020, could request a trade to an east coast club. The West Australian reported in October that Brander would honour the final year of his Eagles contract and train with the club’s backline group over the summer. The 21-year-old recently said he expected to play half-forward and a bit of wing this year, but added there was a chance of spending more time in defence. Brander told the club’s website: “I’m happy to play anywhere. I can’t do that forever but I’m happy to do that while I’m still young and trying to find my spot in the side.” Brander would be an ideal third tall option inside 50 at most clubs, but that role is currently occupied by Oscar Allen, who nailed his best 22 position last year as he helped Nic Naitanui in the ruck as well. Teammate Brad Sheppard recently told SEN that Allen had “come back in really good shape” and would soon “be our number one target up forward”.

WESTERN BULLDOGS

Few clubs were busier during the off-season than the Bulldogs — and that means lots of magnet spinning for coach Luke Beveridge this year. The acquisition of Adam Treloar means the squeeze for midfield spots that already existed at the club has become even tighter. Hayden Crozier late last year flagged Treloar could play on a wing or even across half-back in 2021 as well as rotating through the centre, while Crozier also predicted skipper Marcus Bontempelli and Josh Dunkley could play more forward. Dunkley’s lack of midfield time was a major reason behind his (ultimately failed) trade request to Essendon, so that’ll be an interesting subplot to follow in 2021. There’s even been a suggestion Tom Liberatore could reinvent himself as a pressure forward if required, despite being one of the Bulldogs’ best inside ball-winners. Then there’s the key-position stocks at both ends of the ground. No. 1 draft pick Jamarra Ugle-Hagan should make a forward 50 spot his own early in the season, so what will that mean for Josh Bruce and Aaron Naughton? Either one could be asked to move into the backline. Stefan Martin has also arrived at the club to give much-needed support for emerging ruckman Tim English. Upon landing at the Bulldogs, Martin suggested both he and English could spent lots of time forward when not in the ruck, but said they didn’t want to be ‘stay at home’ forwards.

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