Position 2021: Ruck Discussion
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A couple of observations:
We should not just look at Preuss as someone we're going to turn into Gawn by round #. As pointed out above, a serious amount of cash (and probably multiple trades) is required to achieve that goal. If (and it's a big if) Marshall starts putting out scores at Gawn / Grundy levels and/or G/G fall back to the pack, the Preuss trade can be to a FWD (swinging Marshall to the rucks). This would also require a sufficient number of FWD premos averaging close to or better than the rucks to justify moving Marshall to a ruck spot. As we've seen over past seasons, that is unlikely, particularly with the scoring practices over the past two years. The 6th best FWD (on averages) has been around the 100 mark most years.
For me the Preuss pick has some merit if you're taking the punt that Gundy and Gawn will come back to the pack and there is a lack of decent rookies come round 1.
We should not just look at Preuss as someone we're going to turn into Gawn by round #. As pointed out above, a serious amount of cash (and probably multiple trades) is required to achieve that goal. If (and it's a big if) Marshall starts putting out scores at Gawn / Grundy levels and/or G/G fall back to the pack, the Preuss trade can be to a FWD (swinging Marshall to the rucks). This would also require a sufficient number of FWD premos averaging close to or better than the rucks to justify moving Marshall to a ruck spot. As we've seen over past seasons, that is unlikely, particularly with the scoring practices over the past two years. The 6th best FWD (on averages) has been around the 100 mark most years.
For me the Preuss pick has some merit if you're taking the punt that Gundy and Gawn will come back to the pack and there is a lack of decent rookies come round 1.
Welcome to the conversation @Wheedus 
The more I read from people, the more we seem to get to two quite independent questions and only if you answer both of them do you end up with Brayden Preuss in your side.
1. Are either of Gawn or Grundy inherently bad picks in their own right? ie. Over-priced and to be avoided because there is no justifiable way they will maintain close to their 2020 average compared with other similarly priced players you might use as captain (of which there are only 6 priced more than Grundy, including Gawn). If yes to this, don't pick either/both of them and move to question 2.
2. Can Brayden Preuss do what is needed to be a successful mid-priced cash cow? The bar for this seems to be an average of around 95+ by R10 to make 150k. If yes, slot him in. If no, find a different way to fill you ruck slots (Marshall at R2 to swap later when you upgrade into a top ruck seems like a good option).
When we look at the question of Gawn vs Preuss straight out it assumes both of the above: people have put forward lots of points as to why either one won't work, or why they both will.
The more I read from people, the more we seem to get to two quite independent questions and only if you answer both of them do you end up with Brayden Preuss in your side.
1. Are either of Gawn or Grundy inherently bad picks in their own right? ie. Over-priced and to be avoided because there is no justifiable way they will maintain close to their 2020 average compared with other similarly priced players you might use as captain (of which there are only 6 priced more than Grundy, including Gawn). If yes to this, don't pick either/both of them and move to question 2
.2. Can Brayden Preuss do what is needed to be a successful mid-priced cash cow? The bar for this seems to be an average of around 95+ by R10 to make 150k. If yes, slot him in. If no, find a different way to fill you ruck slots (Marshall at R2 to swap later when you upgrade into a top ruck seems like a good option).
When we look at the question of Gawn vs Preuss straight out it assumes both of the above: people have put forward lots of points as to why either one won't work, or why they both will.
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Welcome to the conversation @Wheedus
The more I read from people, the more we seem to get to two quite independent questions and only if you answer both of them do you end up with Brayden Preuss in your side.
1. Are either of Gawn or Grundy inherently bad picks in their own right? ie. Over-priced and to be avoided because there is no justifiable way they will maintain close to their 2020 average compared with other similarly priced players you might use as captain (of which there are only 6 priced more than Grundy, including Gawn). If yes to this, don't pick either/both of them and move to question 2.
2. Can Brayden Preuss do what is needed to be a successful mid-priced cash cow? The bar for this seems to be an average of around 95+ by R10 to make 150k. If yes, slot him in. If no, find a different way to fill you ruck slots (Marshall at R2 to swap later when you upgrade into a top ruck seems like a good option).
When we look at the question of Gawn vs Preuss straight out it assumes both of the above: people have put forward lots of points as to why either one won't work, or why they both will.
The more I read from people, the more we seem to get to two quite independent questions and only if you answer both of them do you end up with Brayden Preuss in your side.
1. Are either of Gawn or Grundy inherently bad picks in their own right? ie. Over-priced and to be avoided because there is no justifiable way they will maintain close to their 2020 average compared with other similarly priced players you might use as captain (of which there are only 6 priced more than Grundy, including Gawn). If yes to this, don't pick either/both of them and move to question 2
.2. Can Brayden Preuss do what is needed to be a successful mid-priced cash cow? The bar for this seems to be an average of around 95+ by R10 to make 150k. If yes, slot him in. If no, find a different way to fill you ruck slots (Marshall at R2 to swap later when you upgrade into a top ruck seems like a good option).
When we look at the question of Gawn vs Preuss straight out it assumes both of the above: people have put forward lots of points as to why either one won't work, or why they both will.
Same for me really. If most players go on a run of form, they score 4 or 5 100s in a row: if big Max finds a vein of form, he belts out a bunch of 140+s in a row (2018: 3 out of 4 140+, then another 3 in a row later; 2019: 5 in a row, 2020: 6 in a row!).
It's perma C territory that just burns teams that don't have him, no matter how good your mid-pricers are.
It's perma C territory that just burns teams that don't have him, no matter how good your mid-pricers are.
Max Gawn, might be scaring players off with his huge price tag — he’s the first player to ever start a season priced at over $750,000. Gawn, who averaged almost 140 points a game last year — is No. 14 on the list, with almost two thirds of coaches prepared to start without the bearded superstar.
Nice - great news I think, the more unique the better.
Nice - great news I think, the more unique the better.
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