Discussion 2021: Strategy, Team & Player Discussions

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No doubt that scenario has to be in play but we probably overestimate more often than under :)

Also doesn't take an awful lot for the other guys to be slipping back. I mean Cripps is the extreme example last year but there's someone in that region most seasons for whatever reason who just falls back.
Basically a non-negotiable though. Pretty essential at the pointy end don't you think
 
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Today’s lockdown announcement has me wondering if SC have released any plans regarding how they will handle abandoned matches?

Just some sort of loose statement could at least help our planning.

For example.
1. If a match gets postponed but commences before the next round starts, the game will still count to that rounds score.
2. If the postponed match happens after the commencement of the next round ... what happens?
Will we get average scores or will we cop donuts? Will we get DGR benefits when the game is finally played?
3 if X games are cancelled in a given round will the round become null and void?

I know that it could get quite complex as any number of situations could arise, but it would be nice to know what they might be thinking. At least then we can incorporate some sort of insurance into our planning. Surely after last year they have at least thought about it!

The more I think about it, the more I think they should just award average points.

Apologies if they have released something and I have just missed it!
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I totally agree that SC should release plans regarding how they will handle abandoned matches and other possible interruptions.
Not only to help our planning, but also to stop SuperCoaches being disadvantaged through no fault of their own, as happened last year.

Also possible the SCS competitions could be affected too, so some statement there would be good.
 
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Today’s lockdown announcement has me wondering if SC have released any plans regarding how they will handle abandoned matches?

Just some sort of loose statement could at least help our planning.

For example.
1. If a match gets postponed but commences before the next round starts, the game will still count to that rounds score.
2. If the postponed match happens after the commencement of the next round ... what happens?
Will we get average scores or will we cop donuts? Will we get DGR benefits when the game is finally played?
3 if X games are cancelled in a given round will the round become null and void?

I know that it could get quite complex as any number of situations could arise, but it would be nice to know what they might be thinking. At least then we can incorporate some sort of insurance into our planning. Surely after last year they have at least thought about it!

The more I think about it, the more I think they should just award average points.

Apologies if they have released something and I have just missed it!
Last years solution was the absolute worst option so hopefully they don't go that path. You can tell that whoever made that rule decision had Whitfield and a low count of players in that game because no objective person could think that was a good outcome. Was the first time where AFL Fantasy clearly was the better format which is just shameful for the SC guys.

The loss of cash generation, loss of premium scoring and then rewarding other teams by removing bad scores was just a horrifically unfair move.

I'd hope it's average like all the other formats did, that actually worked well. You could even lock out the ability to trade them in if that's what you're worried about but any solution that impacts cash generation and takes away premium scores like they did last year has to be an instant no for the decision makers.

Hopefully not an issue we have to deal with.
 
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Last years solution was the absolute worst option so hopefully they don't go that path. You can tell that whoever made that rule decision had Whitfield and a low count of players in that game because no objective person could think that was a good outcome. Was the first time where AFL Fantasy clearly was the better format which is just shameful for the SC guys.

The loss of cash generation, loss of premium scoring and then rewarding other teams by removing bad scores was just a horrifically unfair move.

I'd hope it's average like all the other formats did, that actually worked well. You could even lock out the ability to trade them in if that's what you're worried about but any solution that impacts cash generation and takes away premium scores like they did last year has to be an instant no for the decision makers.

Hopefully not an issue we have to deal with.
Copy and paste that in the Contact Us section:cool:
 
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On the chat on Walsh and Cripps and co...
I've had Walsh in most drafts but have taken him out again for now. His scoring jumped up playing inside later last season (when Cripps was spent) but the current setup seems to have pushed him to the outside again (Cripps playing heavier; addition of Zac Attack).

To me he doesn't seem as damaging in a footy sense or a SC sense if he's not in the guts. Thoughts?
 
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On the chat on Walsh and Cripps and co...
I've had Walsh in most drafts but have taken him out again for now. His scoring jumped up playing inside later last season (when Cripps was spent) but the current setup seems to have pushed him to the outside again (Cripps playing heavier; addition of Zac Attack).

To me he doesn't seem as damaging in a footy sense or a SC sense if he's not in the guts. Thoughts?
My thought is that, since Walsh is a very good endurance runner, the wing would be the most beneficial position for him to play.
 
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Some interesting points from Eagles intra club:

Duggan did well in midfield, competition was better than I thought
Kelly and Gaff both played and performed
Jamaine Jones 182k fwd did ok, played two games last year for 34 via Port and 63 vs Swans

Training report: Star Eagle flies high
There were highlights aplenty during West Coast's high-quality match simulation work on Friday
By westcoasteagles.com.au - 15 hrs ago

High-flying Eagle Liam Ryan pulled down another 'speccy', goalsneak Jamaine Jones continued to put his best foot forward and a gun midfield quartet starred as West Coast was put through a searching match simulation session at Mineral Resources Park on Friday.

Building on his already impressive pre-season, a slim-looking Jones was in everything, applying pressure and bobbing up with multiple goals in a promising display.

The talented former Cat showed his potential in two appearances for the Eagles last season before suffering hamstring issues, and is among several fringe players pushing for a start in the AAMI Community Series meeting with Port Adelaide next month.

While players swapped between the blue and gold teams, Jones was well-served early by a potent engine room, led by Nic Naitanui, Tim Kelly, Andrew Gaff, Dom Sheed and Liam Duggan.

Ball magnets Gaff and Sheed were typically prolific linking up incisive plays from defence to attack, while Kelly was dominant and got the ball rolling with a damaging run from the opening bounce for the first goal on the run from 40m.

Naitanui snapped truly moments later and Duggan’s ability to find space and time when there was precious little of either spoke to his quick-thinking and elite ball use.

There was also plenty to like from emerging midfielder Xavier O’Neill as he aims to add to his five games’ experience from last year.

With champion goalkicker Josh Kennedy taking it easy after a minor calf niggle, his strong-marking protégé Oscar Allen had the opportunity to spearhead the forward line and thrived, attacking the ball in the air with ferocity.

Big man Nathan Vardy was also a major presence and looked dangerous moving between the ruck and forward line, while Jarrod Brander was busy around the ground and inside 50.

Known for making the near-impossible look easy, Liam ‘Flyin’ Ryan added another epic grab to his collection with a huge fly off two steps at half-forward.

INJURED
Several WAFL Eagles joined in the action to top-up numbers as the likes of Elliot Yeo (groin), Jake Waterman (back), Jackson Nelson (hamstring) and Kennedy got through a power of running on the second oval.

Meanwhile, 2018 premiership player and former champion forward Mark LeCras had a beaming smile on his face as he joined the team for the first time in his informal training assistant role.
 
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Duggan could be handy but.....
His game count is poor, the value is not significant, he could be traded in for not much more than his starting price, and his scoring is unlikely to ruin non owners.
It's not that I think he can't work out but I can't see the upside being worth the risk of him getting stuck behind other mids at West Coast.
 
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On the chat on Walsh and Cripps and co...
I've had Walsh in most drafts but have taken him out again for now. His scoring jumped up playing inside later last season (when Cripps was spent) but the current setup seems to have pushed him to the outside again (Cripps playing heavier; addition of Zac Attack).

To me he doesn't seem as damaging in a footy sense or a SC sense if he's not in the guts. Thoughts?
Was noticeably a different player in both real life and SC terms after moving inside last year, played to all his strengths.


My thought is that, since Walsh is a very good endurance runner, the wing would be the most beneficial position for him to play.
The problem is his game craft is mostly clearance based and his disposal leaves an awful lot to be desired on the outside. Seems to be a mid 90s who could make push to 105 as a wing but as an inside mid he can be 110+ as he showed last year.

For me his best comparison is probably more a Josh Kelly type, could play outside but isn't the same in SC or impact doing it as there actual best skills are navigating clearances and creating space in them and then their workrate both offensively and defensively away from the clearances to follow up in the possession chains.
 
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Houston had similar last preseason haha
On the flipside so did Brayshaw, Petracca and Simpkin :)

To be fair those 3 have a common trait of weaker teams.

My bigger worry with Duggan is what happens if everyone gets fit, I rate him as a player so think he forces his way in and stays but they've got a few guys who can play midfield. Thankfully they've also got a few guys who can play the back role.

Duggan could be handy but.....
His game count is poor, the value is not significant, he could be traded in for not much more than his starting price, and his scoring is unlikely to ruin non owners.
It's not that I think he can't work out but I can't see the upside being worth the risk of him getting stuck behind other mids at West Coast.
This is probably the big factor. I think Duggan can score well but I wouldn't be backing him to be more than a D6 type where his starting value gives you a couple of points buffer on the actual score required but there's definitely a lot of noise in his scoring history that makes a pretty strong case that he could go backwards if there is any role regression (I'd argue natural improvement probably brings that to a 75 range but it still exists) and he does still need to significant improvement.

That said, I'm still awfully tempted by him, the ability to get a keeper in that price range can very quickly change the team dynamics and puts you a long way ahead. One of those picks where I don't think he's likely to hurt those who don't have him but he can certainly help those who do. Who knows though, if his role is good enough and really only takes an injury to Shuey (which is pretty common) and he's in their first midfield group right now and could easily start the season on a tear.
 
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Jungle drums beating louder and louder for Duggan..
Houston had similar last preseason haha
Duggan v Harmes for me at D4 with Laird in guts. I'll evaluate the drumming that comes from Dees with 'more midfield time' my favourite drug at this time of year. I feel the latter might be the better pick (still makes $ if they fail to be keeper).
 

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Duggan v Harmes for me at D4 with Laird in guts. I'll evaluate the drumming that comes from Dees with 'more midfield time' my favourite drug at this time of year. I feel the latter might be the better pick (still makes $ if they fail to be keeper).
Match sim at training yesterday had Harmes playing on the ball and also half forward.

I still can’t see how he gets enough midfield minutes as I believe he’s behind Oliver, Trac, Viney, Brayshaw and Sparrow but encouraging signs yesterday all the same.
 
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