Opinion Player X vs. Player Y
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Gonna copy @McLovin and assess my thoughts on all of them:
Oliver - Feels slightly overpriced, that 205 game is extreme, dropping it to 145 drops his average by 4 points. Has basically had a 170 type score each season so fine with the other one but that's an outlier of a score to me. Also questions if Petracca is even fitter of how he will handle the handover of #1 midfielder, can he score as well as the secondary target? I like him but just think he's probably in the 115 range.
Steele - Unlike most he's my favourite of the group. Unquestioned #1 midfielder of an emerging team with two excellent ruckmen. He's an elite kick for a contested midfielder, kicking goals and I think he can continue to improve. He doesn't have any real outlier scores and didn't get a golden ticket last year until late in the season when it became clear he was going to be top 5 in the Brownlow and he started to get that CD love. Think he can maintain his average (which in this group is excellent).
Macrae - I like Macrae, I don't like the chaos around him or the talk of peripheral roles. If there's one thing you can count on from Bevo it's that if a stupid idea appears it almost certainly comes from him and will almost certainly be acted on. Ultimately he's the guy who makes sense to play a weaker fantasy role for the good of the team along with Dunkley. Treloar is a pure midfielder, Bont is their best midfielder, Smith has the potential to be even better, Libba is at his best by far at the coal face and rather ineffective away from it. Macrae is the one who, while great inside, still uses a lot of his best skills outside. The group of guys with 4+ 120+ seasons is also remarkably small. Just feels like he could drop back to the 110-115 range to me and even if he doesn't I think all the uncertainty at the Dogs thanks to Treloar makes it worth waiting to be sure.
Petracca - I like him a lot. Negatives are tags, does he rest on his laurels?, whether the shorter quarters helped him or if he can keep it going. The positives are he's amazingly talented, the penny seemed to drop last year regarding fitness needed and the transition into the #1 mid with the best ruck in the game could be even more fruitful. Of this entire group, gun to my head, he's the one I pick if you tell me one of them has a 130+ season in them. He's the best goal scorer, most damaging kick (although I assume not the most efficient) and he's just a beast. Of course gun to my head that one of them scored below 100 I'm also taking him
because who knows if he's just happy to have one great season. Wouldn't even be the first guy in his own midfield to tick that box nevermind the whole league!
I think Oliver is the safest pick, I like Steele the most and I think Petracca has the biggest risk/reward factor with by far the most potential for value. I can't really construct a positive reason to start Macrae that I believe in.
Oliver - Feels slightly overpriced, that 205 game is extreme, dropping it to 145 drops his average by 4 points. Has basically had a 170 type score each season so fine with the other one but that's an outlier of a score to me. Also questions if Petracca is even fitter of how he will handle the handover of #1 midfielder, can he score as well as the secondary target? I like him but just think he's probably in the 115 range.
Steele - Unlike most he's my favourite of the group. Unquestioned #1 midfielder of an emerging team with two excellent ruckmen. He's an elite kick for a contested midfielder, kicking goals and I think he can continue to improve. He doesn't have any real outlier scores and didn't get a golden ticket last year until late in the season when it became clear he was going to be top 5 in the Brownlow and he started to get that CD love. Think he can maintain his average (which in this group is excellent).
Macrae - I like Macrae, I don't like the chaos around him or the talk of peripheral roles. If there's one thing you can count on from Bevo it's that if a stupid idea appears it almost certainly comes from him and will almost certainly be acted on. Ultimately he's the guy who makes sense to play a weaker fantasy role for the good of the team along with Dunkley. Treloar is a pure midfielder, Bont is their best midfielder, Smith has the potential to be even better, Libba is at his best by far at the coal face and rather ineffective away from it. Macrae is the one who, while great inside, still uses a lot of his best skills outside. The group of guys with 4+ 120+ seasons is also remarkably small. Just feels like he could drop back to the 110-115 range to me and even if he doesn't I think all the uncertainty at the Dogs thanks to Treloar makes it worth waiting to be sure.
Petracca - I like him a lot. Negatives are tags, does he rest on his laurels?, whether the shorter quarters helped him or if he can keep it going. The positives are he's amazingly talented, the penny seemed to drop last year regarding fitness needed and the transition into the #1 mid with the best ruck in the game could be even more fruitful. Of this entire group, gun to my head, he's the one I pick if you tell me one of them has a 130+ season in them. He's the best goal scorer, most damaging kick (although I assume not the most efficient) and he's just a beast. Of course gun to my head that one of them scored below 100 I'm also taking him
because who knows if he's just happy to have one great season. Wouldn't even be the first guy in his own midfield to tick that box nevermind the whole league!I think Oliver is the safest pick, I like Steele the most and I think Petracca has the biggest risk/reward factor with by far the most potential for value. I can't really construct a positive reason to start Macrae that I believe in.
Haven't we all!
Elliott is a guy who could never get his body right but before all those injuries he wasn't actually dissimilar to De Goey, ton of talent essentially making cameo roles. Be great if he can get back to where he was and continue to build the endurance and go full time midfield but I think at his age he might only ever be able to build to the cameo midfield level.
Elliott is a guy who could never get his body right but before all those injuries he wasn't actually dissimilar to De Goey, ton of talent essentially making cameo roles. Be great if he can get back to where he was and continue to build the endurance and go full time midfield but I think at his age he might only ever be able to build to the cameo midfield level.
Problem with half the Collingwood players is if they actually stopped reading how good the media think they are and instead kept their egos in the locker room and actually (continued) to work on the things that make us a successful team eg hassling , tackling , workrate we might actually had/have success.
Unfortunately once egos take place , team rules quickly go out the window.
Play your role , do your job for the team.
Pretty much can tell in the first 5 minutes of a game , how Collingwood will go , if the pressure and tackling is on look out.
Unfortunately once egos take place , team rules quickly go out the window.
Play your role , do your job for the team.
Pretty much can tell in the first 5 minutes of a game , how Collingwood will go , if the pressure and tackling is on look out.
Yeah I won't get started on FIGJAM.
I actually liked our forward line when it was left open for the medium guy and we ran BBQ , JDG , Stephenson & Thomas as triangulations (even though their were 4 of them , Elliott must have missed the season with his back) , Cox & Mihocek/Mayne providing targets if needed.
I actually liked our forward line when it was left open for the medium guy and we ran BBQ , JDG , Stephenson & Thomas as triangulations (even though their were 4 of them , Elliott must have missed the season with his back) , Cox & Mihocek/Mayne providing targets if needed.
Oliver then Macrae then Steele for me.
Oliver is young, super durable and has been up there with the top mids for a few years already. A lock for mine.
Macrae is very similar but has a better scoring history. Treloar is a minor concern, but Macrae has still scored well across seasons with a sub-par role at times, and I think it’s quite unlikely that all the Dogs mids stay fit. I wouldn’t mind having him as an upgrade target, but other than Neale/Oliver/Cripps I can’t see anyone else I want more, so he’s in for me.
Steele I kind of struggle with at his price. He and Lyons were almost on a par for much of last year as elite scoring mids for the first time, but no one is even mentioning Lyons while Steele seems to be regarded as a top pick. Steele has the advantage of age (25 vs 28) and durability - he also finished stronger, but is dearer as a result. I would be more confident in him if he had done it before, especially given how unusual the 2020 season was. I have a theory that AFL coaches are quite slow to catch on to breakout players within the season, so I’d expect someone like Steele to get significantly more attention this year than he did last year. If he can handle that, he’s probably a perfectly viable pick, but I’d be wary of picking him if there’s any uncertainty on that.
Oliver is young, super durable and has been up there with the top mids for a few years already. A lock for mine.
Macrae is very similar but has a better scoring history. Treloar is a minor concern, but Macrae has still scored well across seasons with a sub-par role at times, and I think it’s quite unlikely that all the Dogs mids stay fit. I wouldn’t mind having him as an upgrade target, but other than Neale/Oliver/Cripps I can’t see anyone else I want more, so he’s in for me.
Steele I kind of struggle with at his price. He and Lyons were almost on a par for much of last year as elite scoring mids for the first time, but no one is even mentioning Lyons while Steele seems to be regarded as a top pick. Steele has the advantage of age (25 vs 28) and durability - he also finished stronger, but is dearer as a result. I would be more confident in him if he had done it before, especially given how unusual the 2020 season was. I have a theory that AFL coaches are quite slow to catch on to breakout players within the season, so I’d expect someone like Steele to get significantly more attention this year than he did last year. If he can handle that, he’s probably a perfectly viable pick, but I’d be wary of picking him if there’s any uncertainty on that.
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Not saying you're wrong but Brad impacted on Matts scores a bit. Matt requires massive accumulation to score highly, I didn't watch much Steele so if he has more impact related scores over quantity it might not matter much. I would think a fit Brad given his choice role inside would have to affect Steele somewhat.
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Gaff + Duggan vs Lloyd and Rozee
Gaff running capacity should ensure he matches long quarter and meets his normal ave.
Duggan 2H season good and may get some mid minutes early helping him - maybe close to being a weak keeper
Lloyd - better 2H than 1H and like Gaff, running capacity should help him. Mills out of backline and Campbell in, meh.
Rozee - what interested me is the mid minutes in intra game comment rather than 6 goals. Like Heeney, his best scores 2020 were against easy teams, don't like downhill skiers however mid minutes may help o***et this. Needs to ensure he is not being managing.
Gaff running capacity should ensure he matches long quarter and meets his normal ave.
Duggan 2H season good and may get some mid minutes early helping him - maybe close to being a weak keeper
Lloyd - better 2H than 1H and like Gaff, running capacity should help him. Mills out of backline and Campbell in, meh.
Rozee - what interested me is the mid minutes in intra game comment rather than 6 goals. Like Heeney, his best scores 2020 were against easy teams, don't like downhill skiers however mid minutes may help o***et this. Needs to ensure he is not being managing.
