Discussion SC 2021: Rookie Discussion
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Personally I don't rate Murphy, Jones & McHenry were very ordinary in the games I watched them play last year. Schoenberg plays midfield mainly not fwd.
Rowe is a ready made mature aged recruit that I believe the crows wanted to fill a real position of need:-
Rowe has rocketed onto an AFL list on the back of two superb seasons with Woodville-West Torrens.
Across 2019-2020, Rowe has kicked 82 goals in 34 games at SANFL level, sharing the Ken Farmer Medal this year as the State League’s leading goalkicker.
He is a smart footballer and highly accurate in front of goal with a conversion rate of 81 per cent in 2020, whilst averaging 2.76 goals per game.
Rowe also finished equal third in the SANFL for goal assists and led the League for averaging ground ball gets inside forward 50, using his evasiveness and talent to create scoring opportunities.
The 21-year-old starred in the Eagles’ preliminary final victory with five goals, celebrating a premiership at Woodville Oval a week later.
Rowe is a ready made mature aged recruit that I believe the crows wanted to fill a real position of need:-
Rowe has rocketed onto an AFL list on the back of two superb seasons with Woodville-West Torrens.
Across 2019-2020, Rowe has kicked 82 goals in 34 games at SANFL level, sharing the Ken Farmer Medal this year as the State League’s leading goalkicker.
He is a smart footballer and highly accurate in front of goal with a conversion rate of 81 per cent in 2020, whilst averaging 2.76 goals per game.
Rowe also finished equal third in the SANFL for goal assists and led the League for averaging ground ball gets inside forward 50, using his evasiveness and talent to create scoring opportunities.
The 21-year-old starred in the Eagles’ preliminary final victory with five goals, celebrating a premiership at Woodville Oval a week later.
Collingwood play the second game , locking him in if he is not named might then limit a spot for a rookie that is then actually named.
Might need to factor in higher priced rookies initially that cost more than $ 123,900.00 to make adjustments easier (easy to go down to cheap rather than trying to find $$$ to go up)
Especially if the server crashes.
Thought one of the keys was trying to get as many bench players as possible playing Round 1.
Don't worry the rookies will come , they always do (still remember this quote every season)
Might need to factor in higher priced rookies initially that cost more than $ 123,900.00 to make adjustments easier (easy to go down to cheap rather than trying to find $$$ to go up)
Especially if the server crashes.
Thought one of the keys was trying to get as many bench players as possible playing Round 1.
Don't worry the rookies will come , they always do (still remember this quote every season)
Very aware all about Rowe.
One of his main knocks why he hasn't been drafted before has been a lack of pace , that hasn't changed watching him play last season.
ROB + Crouch , Laird , Sloane is the main rotation mid.
Keays is the run with.
Based on the Laird midfield article , Hately & Sholl are next in line.
Defence (if all available)
Doedee , Kelly , Talia
Brown , Milera , Seedsman , Smith
Mackay I think plays their.
Himmelberg , Lynch (training on a wing) + Walker , maybe Fogarty if Lynch is indeed wing
McAdam plays , Schoenberg plays
That's 21
SANFL is a very poor standard compared to the AFL , only need to look at a lot of players that couldn't make it in AFL that are "stars" of the SANFL.
Anyway just my opinion , I don't think he is as big as a lock as people think.
Hamill , Jones , MacPherson , McAsey , McHenry , Murphy , Rowe , Worrall etc all in the mix as well
One of his main knocks why he hasn't been drafted before has been a lack of pace , that hasn't changed watching him play last season.
ROB + Crouch , Laird , Sloane is the main rotation mid.
Keays is the run with.
Based on the Laird midfield article , Hately & Sholl are next in line.
Defence (if all available)
Doedee , Kelly , Talia
Brown , Milera , Seedsman , Smith
Mackay I think plays their.
Himmelberg , Lynch (training on a wing) + Walker , maybe Fogarty if Lynch is indeed wing
McAdam plays , Schoenberg plays
That's 21
SANFL is a very poor standard compared to the AFL , only need to look at a lot of players that couldn't make it in AFL that are "stars" of the SANFL.
Anyway just my opinion , I don't think he is as big as a lock as people think.
Hamill , Jones , MacPherson , McAsey , McHenry , Murphy , Rowe , Worrall etc all in the mix as well
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Cashgen is always king but looking at my current structure I'll have 14 spots for rookies, so 13 once we remove a ruck doughnut.
I really don't want to be forking out cash for all of DGB, Phillips, Powell, Cox, Cahill, Campbell, etc. I've already got a couple and anymore will see me having to dump lets say a Cripps to a Heppell. No thanks.
I feel pretty comfortable about my fwds, running Cahill at F5, we seem to have the potential of a couple of other pure fwd rookies (or even with a def link).
Then we've got a stack of M/F that I'm quite confident in but most of these guys are currently in my midfield as I'm not sure about how many mid rookies we will get at this stage.
Yes having a full squad scoring points and making cash is great but in the end we won't transfer out all of these rookies and if you do cop a doughnut, you may only be down fifty points for that week, but that could easily be made up by not dumping a genuine premo for a midpricer.
So I think running a setup of:
F5 Cahill, F6 Rowe, F7 M/F rookie, F8 Chugg
Then hoping Laurie or Worrell get a game and slotting them into your defence and having a couple of M/F rookies in the midfield, I don't think you lose out much with flexibility.
I guess part of this is on the assumption that the rookies don't come and that we find out earlier in the week that a Highmore /Wehr/Gould won't debut. I don't want to get to Saturday night and Wehr/Highmore aren't named and now I've locked in a Laurie/Worrell into my fwds with no way of getting them into my defence in the coming weeks and now I´ve got to restructure everything mid round.
I really don't want to be forking out cash for all of DGB, Phillips, Powell, Cox, Cahill, Campbell, etc. I've already got a couple and anymore will see me having to dump lets say a Cripps to a Heppell. No thanks.
I feel pretty comfortable about my fwds, running Cahill at F5, we seem to have the potential of a couple of other pure fwd rookies (or even with a def link).
Then we've got a stack of M/F that I'm quite confident in but most of these guys are currently in my midfield as I'm not sure about how many mid rookies we will get at this stage.
Yes having a full squad scoring points and making cash is great but in the end we won't transfer out all of these rookies and if you do cop a doughnut, you may only be down fifty points for that week, but that could easily be made up by not dumping a genuine premo for a midpricer.
So I think running a setup of:
F5 Cahill, F6 Rowe, F7 M/F rookie, F8 Chugg
Then hoping Laurie or Worrell get a game and slotting them into your defence and having a couple of M/F rookies in the midfield, I don't think you lose out much with flexibility.
I guess part of this is on the assumption that the rookies don't come and that we find out earlier in the week that a Highmore /Wehr/Gould won't debut. I don't want to get to Saturday night and Wehr/Highmore aren't named and now I've locked in a Laurie/Worrell into my fwds with no way of getting them into my defence in the coming weeks and now I´ve got to restructure everything mid round.
I guess that's one of the big issues , people don't really want to pay the big $$$ unless they have to , obviously the cheaper the bench players the better.
It's why I have been building most of my "serious" RMT using :-
DGB , Cox , Reid /Chapman , Jones
Phillips , Campbell , Holland / Pedler , Bruhn , Powell
Treacy ✓
Ugle-Hagan , Thilthorpe , McDonald / Perkins , Stone
Come Round 1 expect 75% of them gone but actually think it is more realistic than using 8-12 $ 117,300.00 players and saying look at my team I have 13-14 ultimate premiums.
Once the rookie situation is a lot clearer easier to go down to adjust.
Also think sometimes if these more expensive rookies have stronger JS it is sometimes worth paying for them , instead of 3-4 cheaper ones who may only play a few games.
It's why I have been building most of my "serious" RMT using :-
DGB , Cox , Reid /Chapman , Jones
Phillips , Campbell , Holland / Pedler , Bruhn , Powell
Treacy ✓
Ugle-Hagan , Thilthorpe , McDonald / Perkins , Stone
Come Round 1 expect 75% of them gone but actually think it is more realistic than using 8-12 $ 117,300.00 players and saying look at my team I have 13-14 ultimate premiums.
Once the rookie situation is a lot clearer easier to go down to adjust.
Also think sometimes if these more expensive rookies have stronger JS it is sometimes worth paying for them , instead of 3-4 cheaper ones who may only play a few games.
huh
Have about 10 variants of teams I am looking at.
Surely you are not that confident that your team at the moment is your Round 1 final team ?
Better player than many if your rookies are guaranteed to be playing , well done.
Probably the easiest thing would be to make a team on the Tuesday/Wednesday , don't think anyone knows which rookies are definitely playing Round 1.
Have about 10 variants of teams I am looking at.
Surely you are not that confident that your team at the moment is your Round 1 final team ?
Better player than many if your rookies are guaranteed to be playing , well done.
Probably the easiest thing would be to make a team on the Tuesday/Wednesday , don't think anyone knows which rookies are definitely playing Round 1.
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I said we can safely put Rowe in our team at this stage based on Tex’s comments. What else do we have to go by at this time of year?
You said you will wait for confirmation.
If that’s the case then I would expect to see blank spots for all those rookie spots in your team at the moment until you receive confirmation.
You said you will wait for confirmation.
If that’s the case then I would expect to see blank spots for all those rookie spots in your team at the moment until you receive confirmation.
Yes I am awaiting confirmation of the Round 1 teams even given Tex's postive comments.
30 days to go , think they have a internal practice match , a scrimmage & a pre season game to get through at the moment.
Crows seemingly have 26-30 all vying for Round 1 selection so will be a very interesting month ahead.
At the moment my forward bench is Perkins & Stone , quite happy to replace one of them with Rowe if he is named for Round 1.
My current side is based on the prices of the 16 Top picks from last year's draft for a reason + Treacy at this stage.
Unless injured in the mean time the only 3 players 100% locked in my team are Gawn , Grundy & Treacy.
Everyone else will be based on Round 1 teams.
30 days to go , think they have a internal practice match , a scrimmage & a pre season game to get through at the moment.
Crows seemingly have 26-30 all vying for Round 1 selection so will be a very interesting month ahead.
At the moment my forward bench is Perkins & Stone , quite happy to replace one of them with Rowe if he is named for Round 1.
My current side is based on the prices of the 16 Top picks from last year's draft for a reason + Treacy at this stage.
Unless injured in the mean time the only 3 players 100% locked in my team are Gawn , Grundy & Treacy.
Everyone else will be based on Round 1 teams.
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So with no Thursday team announcements/ teams will be named the day prior like last year - trying to pick the right rookies that will be playing from round 1 will be very difficult. Adding to the difficulty is that the majority of the rookies played far less football than normal, so in many cases these kids are going to take longer to get up to AFL speed - it is quite a big leap, only the most talented kids can do it reasonably easily.
Lets look at the round 1 fixture :-
Thursday, Mar 18
Richmond v Carlton
Possible rookies - Durdin & RCD. Both chances, RCD sounds very promising.
Friday, Mar 19
Collingwood v Western Bulldogs
Possible rookies - Finlay Macrae, Chugg, Bianco,Reef McInnes & Kelly. Macrae seems the most ready, Chugg also impressing.
Saturday, Mar 20
Melbourne v Fremantle
Possible rookies - Laurie, Bowey, Rosman, Chapman & Treacy ( a few Freo key fwds under injury clouds)
Adelaide Crows v Geelong Cats
Possible rookies - Rowe & Cooper Stephens. Rowe looks like a lock, everyone will have him.
Essendon v Hawthorn
Possible rookies - Cox, Perkins, Eyre, Cahill, Reid, Grainger-Barras, Downie & Brockman. Lots of rookies possible for this game, shame it is a Sat pm game - DGB the most likely, Cox & Cahill real chances along with Downie.
Brisbane Lions v Sydney Swans
Possible rookies - Cockatoo, Smith, Campbell, Gould, Gulden & McDonald. Another game with plenty of fantasy relevant rookies. Cockatoo the most likely, all the swans rookies are chances ....does anyone have Horse's mobile number so we can check with him? @wogitalia
Sunday, Mar 21
North Melbourne v Port Adelaide
Possible rookies - Phillips, Powell, Spicer & Jones. Phillips seems a certain round 1 starter, Powell's numbers are amazing but not sure his body is ready (Corr gave him a real rap I know today)/ would North debut 2 mid rookies round 1 with Cunnington now fit? Jones has so much competition in the half back position for Port. Them playing on a Sunday puts a real red flag on him for mine/ too much doubt he will be picked especially when there is quite a few back rookie options this year.
GWS Giants v St Kilda Giants Stadium
Possible rookies - Wehr & Highmore. Real bummer this game is a Sunday game also as both are mature age rookies, think they are real chances for round 1.
West Coast Eagles v Gold Coast Suns
Possible rookies - Davies maybe but not sure on anyone else. Last game of the round on a Sunday afternoon, personally I think I will give any possible rookies from this game a miss.
So with this being the case/ so much uncertainty with the rookies this year, I think the traditional Guns & Rookies approach will need some tinkering. Only the rookies that have strong claims on playing round 1 (Rowe & Phillips for example) could be locked in with any real confidence. Guys like Hayden Young/ Impey/ Daniher in the 200K - 300K range appeal with their stronger JS so to fit them in we may have to not be able to pick the top priced premiums like Lloyd/Neale/Danger etc & look for value in the premiums we pick more than we ever have before.
Certainly makes things interesting & I think guys that like to think outside of the box can really shine this year, we have to be more open minded than ever before in strategy/ team structure than ever before as it is a unique season that we have been presented with.
Lets look at the round 1 fixture :-
Thursday, Mar 18
Richmond v Carlton
Possible rookies - Durdin & RCD. Both chances, RCD sounds very promising.
Friday, Mar 19
Collingwood v Western Bulldogs
Possible rookies - Finlay Macrae, Chugg, Bianco,Reef McInnes & Kelly. Macrae seems the most ready, Chugg also impressing.
Saturday, Mar 20
Melbourne v Fremantle
Possible rookies - Laurie, Bowey, Rosman, Chapman & Treacy ( a few Freo key fwds under injury clouds)
Adelaide Crows v Geelong Cats
Possible rookies - Rowe & Cooper Stephens. Rowe looks like a lock, everyone will have him.
Essendon v Hawthorn
Possible rookies - Cox, Perkins, Eyre, Cahill, Reid, Grainger-Barras, Downie & Brockman. Lots of rookies possible for this game, shame it is a Sat pm game - DGB the most likely, Cox & Cahill real chances along with Downie.
Brisbane Lions v Sydney Swans
Possible rookies - Cockatoo, Smith, Campbell, Gould, Gulden & McDonald. Another game with plenty of fantasy relevant rookies. Cockatoo the most likely, all the swans rookies are chances ....does anyone have Horse's mobile number so we can check with him? @wogitalia
Sunday, Mar 21
North Melbourne v Port Adelaide
Possible rookies - Phillips, Powell, Spicer & Jones. Phillips seems a certain round 1 starter, Powell's numbers are amazing but not sure his body is ready (Corr gave him a real rap I know today)/ would North debut 2 mid rookies round 1 with Cunnington now fit? Jones has so much competition in the half back position for Port. Them playing on a Sunday puts a real red flag on him for mine/ too much doubt he will be picked especially when there is quite a few back rookie options this year.
GWS Giants v St Kilda Giants Stadium
Possible rookies - Wehr & Highmore. Real bummer this game is a Sunday game also as both are mature age rookies, think they are real chances for round 1.
West Coast Eagles v Gold Coast Suns
Possible rookies - Davies maybe but not sure on anyone else. Last game of the round on a Sunday afternoon, personally I think I will give any possible rookies from this game a miss.
So with this being the case/ so much uncertainty with the rookies this year, I think the traditional Guns & Rookies approach will need some tinkering. Only the rookies that have strong claims on playing round 1 (Rowe & Phillips for example) could be locked in with any real confidence. Guys like Hayden Young/ Impey/ Daniher in the 200K - 300K range appeal with their stronger JS so to fit them in we may have to not be able to pick the top priced premiums like Lloyd/Neale/Danger etc & look for value in the premiums we pick more than we ever have before.
Certainly makes things interesting & I think guys that like to think outside of the box can really shine this year, we have to be more open minded than ever before in strategy/ team structure than ever before as it is a unique season that we have been presented with.
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I'd rather start any other floating donut to play.
1. Lots of early games early in season, likely more later games in the season as the fixtures announced. Pies will be middling at best. Better at being captain later in year.
2. He is perfect downgrade option. DPP and maximises the cash you get on field. Might actually play! If you start a 117 or 123k who plays later you at least get to move that extra on field later in season when they are downgraded.
1. Lots of early games early in season, likely more later games in the season as the fixtures announced. Pies will be middling at best. Better at being captain later in year.
2. He is perfect downgrade option. DPP and maximises the cash you get on field. Might actually play! If you start a 117 or 123k who plays later you at least get to move that extra on field later in season when they are downgraded.