Position 2021: Ruck Discussion

[Grundogging]

I would love Howard to go ruck and Highmore to get into the team

I suspect there would be a number of coaches who would be somewhat amenable to that arrangement.

 

[jaca]

I'd moved to a Grawndy model a week or so ago, but this settles it for me. Marshall out is tough, was locked into my Fwd line. Might just take Dusty there.

 

[Zim^zuM]

I tend to agree with @Zim^zuM on this one. GG was a relatively more unique structure this year due to Gawn's price and the popularity of Preuss. The loss of Preuss will clearly result in more people switching to GG and adjusting elsewhere. Yes, that de-risks the likelihood of a Preuss overperform / GG underperform but it also levels the playing field. If you're backing yourself against the the non GG crowd, you just lost some of your point of difference.

I think Marshall would have been a popular replacement for Preuss. Now they have to look else where again. They then look at someone more expensive. Then see if they downgrade a risky pick to a rookir they get Gawn in easy. Just like at $20 for a pack of smokes. Everyone would say no way to paying 40. But when you go slowly to 24, 28, 32 etc it becomes mentally easier to accept the 40.

 

[Connoisseur]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362182862447931392

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362207772717109248

 

[Wheedus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362182862447931392

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362207772717109248

Suggests Gawn has some upside....

 

[wogitalia]

I tend to agree with @Zim^zuM on this one. GG was a relatively more unique structure this year due to Gawn's price and the popularity of Preuss. The loss of Preuss will clearly result in more people switching to GG and adjusting elsewhere. Yes, that de-risks the likelihood of a Preuss overperform / GG underperform but it also levels the playing field. If you're backing yourself against the the non GG crowd, you just lost some of your point of difference.

I think the Preuss overperform was a far bigger risk when starting GG than any other options. You effectively take the underperform equation away now for what should be about 99% of the relevant teams until a rookie appears on the horizon. For me that de-risks it massively. Basically now with the only two strong alternatives both gone only the types who are picking a bunch of super risky picks everywhere are going to have a different ruck pairing.

Basically it makes the rucks irrelevant, which to me, is a big de-risk of the position. It basically now only matters in the event of injury to GG or a rookie appearing to challenge that starting combo.

Suggests Gawn has some upside....

Suggests to me a team with a coach who doesn't have a bloody clue. How are you going to have Brayshaw, Viney, Petracca, Oliver and Max freaking Gawn and allow your team to be 17th in stoppages... If they were good then maybe but they were incredibly ordinary last year...

 

[Ironhawk]

Anyone going to try Flynn R2? 525K/628K saving if you bypass Grundy/Gawn for someone who will be the starting ruck for their team. Could easily make a quick 150-200K, which could be enough for a straight swap if you start McEvoy in defence (or any other similar priced DPP ruck) by Rd 8 or so, and spend the extra cash elsewhere.

Lock and load for me, but I do see more potential in this than I did in the Naismith R2 option last year.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Anyone going to try Flynn R2? 525K/628K saving if you bypass Grundy/Gawn for someone who will be the starting ruck for their team. Could easily make a quick 150-200K, which could be enough for a straight swap if you start McEvoy in defence (or any other similar priced DPP ruck) by Rd 8 or so, and spend the extra cash elsewhere.

Lock and load for me, but I do see more potential in this than I did in the Naismith R2 option last year.

Not a chance in hell I do that, people considering this do realise Flynn is going to be a debutant that hasn't played footy in 18 months right? Good luck with that one.

 

[Leroy]

Anyone going to try Flynn R2? 525K/628K saving if you bypass Grundy/Gawn for someone who will be the starting ruck for their team. Could easily make a quick 150-200K, which could be enough for a straight swap if you start McEvoy in defence (or any other similar priced DPP ruck) by Rd 8 or so, and spend the extra cash elsewhere.

Lock and load for me, but I do see more potential in this than I did in the Naismith R2 option last year.

And here's me weighing up whether to pay up and start him at R3 over a donut .

Maybe (maybe) I would consider it if there was a decent R/F you could sub in or one that allowed you to loop a forward rookie. But now that Marshall has gone down, no chance.

 

[stephen]

Anyone going to try Flynn R2? 525K/628K saving if you bypass Grundy/Gawn for someone who will be the starting ruck for their team. Could easily make a quick 150-200K, which could be enough for a straight swap if you start McEvoy in defence (or any other similar priced DPP ruck) by Rd 8 or so, and spend the extra cash elsewhere.

Lock and load for me, but I do see more potential in this than I did in the Naismith R2 option last year.

Definitely think it's silly to rule it out, particularly if you were on the preuss train. Probably need a few things to happen to be willing to risk it. He needs to be talked about as their main option and play sole ruck in the preseason game, and look good (or at least not lost). And I would need at least one other playing option (treacy and/or bailey Williams) to take the worst downside out of the equation.

But it's definitely a high upside gamble that appeals if gawn's ownership is through the roof.

 

[Bomber18]

I think I’d want Flynn to show 80+ scoring potential to consider it.

Tough ask for him as he has Grawndy in Rnd3 and Rnd4.

 

[stephen]

I think I’d want Flynn to show 80+ scoring potential to consider it.

Tough ask for him as he has Grawndy in Rnd3 and Rnd4.

At that number he'd probably be the best rookie on any line by far, adding heaps of $$ and points over value. Surely the bar is lower than that.

 

[Bomber18]

Not a chance in hell I do that, people considering this do realise Flynn is going to be a debutant that hasn't played footy in 18 months right? Good luck with that one.

Draper did 70+ in similar circumstances. I think that’s great for a bench slot but not compelling enough to miss out on onfield

 

[Bomber18]

At that number he'd probably be the best rookie on any line by far, adding heaps of $$ and points over value. Surely the bar is lower than that.

What would you have it? 70? Not sure that’d be enough for me to want to scramble to find a way to bring him on field. Has Grawndy in rnds 3 and 4 so would need to hit close to 100s in the first two games to o***et close to 50s against Gawndy

 

[stephen]

What would you have it? 70? Not sure that’d be enough for me to want to scramble to find a way to bring him on field. Has Grawndy in rnds 3 and 4 so would need to hit close to 100s in the first two games to o***et close to 50s against Gawndy

As always it depends on rookies on other lines but yeah, on the assumption it's a lean year for rookies (not a given i know) I would say having a basement-priced 70 on field is a good enough reward to justify the risk, if you also think Gawn is overpriced by 15 or so.

If there are no other playing ruck rookies then yes, I'd probably agree I'd want the upside a bit higher.

 

[Ironhawk]

Definitely think it's silly to rule it out, particularly if you were on the preuss train. Probably need a few things to happen to be willing to risk it. He needs to be talked about as their main option and play sole ruck in the preseason game, and look good (or at least not lost). And I would need at least one other playing option (treacy and/or bailey Williams) to take the worst downside out of the equation.

But it's definitely a high upside gamble that appeals if gawn's ownership is through the roof.

There was an article going round last night that he is the #1 ruck option at GWS now. Treacy and Williams I would say would both be in the mix at minimum for games, probably less guaranteed starters compared to Flynn.

I do think it's a brave move, and agree he needs to score at around a minimum 70 average for this to be worthwhile (big call for any rookie), but I wouldn't write it off completely. I was just interested if anyone was considering it. As I said, I'm not, but I was never interested in Preuss either.

 

[stephen]

There was an article going round last night that he is the #1 ruck option at GWS now. Treacy and Williams I would say would both be in the mix at minimum for games, probably less guaranteed starters compared to Flynn.

I do think it's a brave move, and agree he needs to score at around a minimum 70 average for this to be worthwhile (big call for any rookie), but I wouldn't write it off completely. I was just interested if anyone was considering it. As I said, I'm not, but I was never interested in Preuss either.

If he looks like a clear lone ruck and is named RD1 there will definitely people who do it. Knowing myself, I will probably be one of them.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

If picking Flynn at R2, what's the plan if he gets 'rested' for Mumford when GWS play Melbourne and Collingwood during rounds 3 and 4?

 

[stephen]

If picking Flynn at R2, what's the plan if he gets 'rested' for Mumford when GWS play Melbourne and Collingwood during rounds 3 and 4?

Yeah you'd want either Treacy playing or Treacy as a link to a playing Bailey Williams in the forward line to cover for that I think.

 

[Ironhawk]

If picking Flynn at R2, what's the plan if he gets 'rested' for Mumford when GWS play Melbourne and Collingwood during rounds 3 and 4?

This is why I also suggested starting a DPP ruck in my first post. I suggested McEvoy, but didn't look at other possible options. Probably means you would need a cheap Ruc/Def at R3 for it to work