Position SC 2021: Forward Discussion

[McLovin]

Pretty much agree entirely. Played a lot of roles, that purple patch was mostly on the wing. He's got a lot of really positive attributes, especially speed and kicking, but he certainly floats between roles and is better at some than others.

His lack of contested ball winning ability, to date at least, holds him back a bit in SC, especially in such a strong team where there's a lot of targets. Think ultimately he's too risky a pick, kind of guy you take a couple of rounds early in a draft league because I think he improves more likely than not but at his price he pretty much has to move to keeper level and that wing type or even rebounding defender is very difficult to get there with if you're not doing at least some of the contested type of work or intercepting as well to top up.

Good player but I think he's done well if he ends up at the Langdon, Cerra, Sheed, Worpel or Polec level of scoring this year (~90). At this point he's a fairly similar type to a Polec whose absolute best was a 95 when being fed the ball a lot but has basically been a 80-90 type the other years when fit.

I think you're spot on about Bailey's scoring.

As a Lions supporter I can't endorse any Polec comparisons Bailey was actually a junior inside mid with burst and pace but poor disposal, so these days think Paddy Dow with good coaching. I really didn't think his transition to a more outside role was working until last season, previously he ran back into traffic too much and often panicked under pressure. At the moment he's more Zorko-like with his pace and pressure. Could end up in the midfield at some point, but this probably isn't the season for it with Rayner getting lots of mid time in preseason.

 

[Shannon]

Interested in your take on Caldwell Bomber.....

Heppell has hardly left my team and I haven't really considered Caldwell. Starting to think i need to take the blinkers off given his fwd status gives him at least a slight chance of being a keeper whereas Heppell is purely a cash cow/bankable early on field scorer.

I see similarities to Andrew Brayshaw from last year - after playing half fwd for the first few seasons he then gets the midfield time he has been craving & goes bang!
He has the tools to be a very good midfielder in my opinion.

 

[Wheedus]

I see similarities to Andrew Brayshaw from last year - after playing half fwd for the first few seasons he then gets the midfield time he has been craving & goes bang!
He has the tools to be a very good midfielder in my opinion.

I'd want to see a bit more of a form line before making the Brayshaw comparison but the opportunities are certainly there at Essendon

 

[Bomber18]

Interested in your take on Caldwell Bomber.....

Heppell has hardly left my team and I haven't really considered Caldwell. Starting to think i need to take the blinkers off given his fwd status gives him at least a slight chance of being a keeper whereas Heppell is purely a cash cow/bankable early on field scorer.

I see similarities to Andrew Brayshaw from last year - after playing half fwd for the first few seasons he then gets the midfield time he has been craving & goes bang!
He has the tools to be a very good midfielder in my opinion.

I'd want to see a bit more of a form line before making the Brayshaw comparison but the opportunities are certainly there at Essendon

Somehow found his way into my current side after the standard preseason hype haha but I’m far from bullish on him.

Maybe a similar type of pick to JSteele when he went to the Saints, although doesn’t have the same formline in the NEAFL that Steele did.

Could do enough to be a decent pick if he can get enough inside mid time. Yet to be seen if that’s the case. Worth consideration though given his pedigree and the possibility he becomes a pure inside mid.

 

[Blaze]

Somehow found his way into my current side after the standard preseason hype haha but I’m far from bullish on him.

Maybe a similar type of pick to JSteele when he went to the Saints, although doesn’t have the same formline in the NEAFL that Steele did.

Could do enough to be a decent pick if he can get enough inside mid time. Yet to be seen if that’s the case. Worth consideration though given his pedigree and the possibility he becomes a pure inside mid.

Thanks @Bomber18 i will watch his CBAs in the pre season game with interest!

 

[Chumpion]

Seriously starting to contemplate a starting 6 forward line of Ziebell, Daniher, Impey, Jones, Cahill, Kelly (Rowe and Tracey on the bench). Forward rookies are starting to line up nicely and there are question marks or potential value drops across a lot of the prem forwards..

 

[Broar]

Think I've seen it mentioned on here a few times but is anyone else running Ziebell at F1? With all the Fwd, M/F & D/F rookies I reckon we can run at 3 least on the field up there and have some on the bench as well.

So something like Ziebell, Daniher, Impey, followed by rookies.

I'm not really a fan of the fwd premos at the moment, the only two I'm considering are Dusty & Dunkley but I'd probably rather a fair few def/mid premos ahead on them if I'm being honest.

First upgrades would be in the fwds, basically allows me all the heavy hitters except for Lloyd.

 

[Broar]

Seriously starting to contemplate a starting 6 forward line of Ziebell, Daniher, Impey, Jones, Cahill, Kelly (Rowe and Tracey on the bench). Forward rookies are starting to line up nicely and there are question marks or potential value drops across a lot of the prem forwards..

Ha, just saw this post right after mine. Looks like we are contemplating the same thing at this stage.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Somehow found his way into my current side after the standard preseason hype haha but I’m far from bullish on him.

Maybe a similar type of pick to JSteele when he went to the Saints, although doesn’t have the same formline in the NEAFL that Steele did.

Could do enough to be a decent pick if he can get enough inside mid time. Yet to be seen if that’s the case. Worth consideration though given his pedigree and the possibility he becomes a pure inside mid.

Just not sure hes high enough up their midfield heirarchy myself, you'd imagine all of Shiel,Merrett,Langford,McGrath are core midfielders plus guys like Parish and Stringer rotating in, they bat pretty deep already very unsure where he slots in there.

 

[Chumpion]

Ha, just saw this post right after mine. Looks like we are contemplating the same thing at this stage.

Opens up some interesting possibilities that's for sure!

 

[Shaunpro1]

Ha, just saw this post right after mine. Looks like we are contemplating the same thing at this stage.

I don't mind it just have to watch out if guys like Danger and Dunkley are on fire early could be a long year trying to get up to their prices.

 

[Herbie66]

Seriously starting to contemplate a starting 6 forward line of Ziebell, Daniher, Impey, Jones, Cahill, Kelly (Rowe and Tracey on the bench). Forward rookies are starting to line up nicely and there are question marks or potential value drops across a lot of the prem forwards..

Been looking at it for awhile now , if I go Heeney - > $ 123,900.00 Rookie I can get Heppell to Oliver and leave Cripps at M7.

Harmes + Milera (D4 & D5) or Daniel/Stewart + $ 123,900.00 Rookie in defence.

Just need Ziebell , Daniher & Impey + the Forward rookies to last 6-8 rounds each before downgrade/upgrade.

Hopefully then the premium forwards have sorted themselves and available cheaper.

 

[Chumpion]

Been looking at it for awhile now , if I go Heeney - > $ 123,900.00 Rookie I can get Heppell to Oliver and leave Cripps at M7.

Harmes + Milera (D4 & D5) or Daniel/Stewart + $ 123,900.00 Rookie in defence.

Just need Ziebell , Daniher & Impey + the Forward rookies to last 6-8 rounds each before downgrade/upgrade.

Hopefully then the premium forwards have sorted themselves and available cheaper.

Cripps at M7 damn.. that is one deep mid line! Who are the full seven if you don't mind me asking?

The my wishlist is shaping up I could see myself with a 6 premium back line (someone like Williams D6) and a no premium forward line. Gawn.. Grundy.. Cripps M4.. Heppell M5..

Unusual structure but gotta build the team around the best rookies, not the other way around!

 

[Vicwood]

His in!

Ohhh noooo wish I never saw this post.

Back to the drawing board.

 

[Herbie66]

Cripps at M7 damn.. that is one deep mid line! Who are the full seven if you don't mind me asking?

The my wishlist is shaping up I could see myself with a 6 premium back line (someone like Williams D6) and a no premium forward line. Gawn.. Grundy.. Cripps M4.. Heppell M5..

Unusual structure but gotta build the team around the best rookies, not the other way around!

Boak , Cripps , Fyfe , Kelly , Laird , Merrett , Oliver

Laird's DPP is already useful , if Phillips/Campbell look options can then swap out Harmes or Milera.

Not sure on the $ 123,900.00 mids yet , need to read more about the $ 117k options.

Gawn , Grundy ruck

Docherty , Williams , Duggan , Harmes , Milera defence.

Defensive rookies look a bit iffy at the moment.

Exactly build the team around where the rookies are.

I guess once the teams are announced for Challenger series (even 26 aside) it will (should) make the rookie picture a lot clearer hopefully.

 

[Herbie66]

Just not sure hes high enough up their midfield heirarchy myself, you'd imagine all of Shiel,Merrett,Langford,McGrath are core midfielders plus guys like Parish and Stringer rotating in, they bat pretty deep already very unsure where he slots in there.

I don't know the full story behind his move but seemed odd to me that if he wanted more mid team he finished up at a club where he is probably further behind to actually play mid.

 

[jaca]

First post, been reading these forums for the past couple of weeks! Some good content here.

I'm surprised there isn't more interest in Zorko this pre-season. A guy who's been at premium mid status for 3 of the last 5 seasons. A guys who has missed a total of 6 games in the last 8 seasons! Only in 8% of teams which I'm sure will get a bump if he plays well in the preseason games at his price compared to some of the other FWD options.

Yes the obvious concern is the transition into a timeshare role between FWD and MID. Two things here, the guy is a bloody elite midfielder - he'll be in the guts when games need to be won I feel. Secondly he's very good around the goals - not only can he bag 3 or 4 on his day, his forward 50 disposal efficiency and tackling pressure is elite.

Love the fact he can go nuclear and score 150+, he's every chance to start the season red hot.

I'll believe the move to the forward line when I see it!

I like him, will watch his health, but would be ok with him as one of my rolled dice.

 

[Chumpion]

Boak , Cripps , Fyfe , Kelly , Laird , Merrett , Oliver

Laird's DPP is already useful , if Phillips/Campbell look options can then swap out Harmes or Milera.

Not sure on the $ 123,900.00 mids yet , need to read more about the $ 117k options.

Gawn , Grundy ruck

Docherty , Williams , Duggan , Harmes , Milera defence.

Defensive rookies look a bit iffy at the moment.

Exactly build the team around where the rookies are.

I guess once the teams are announced for Challenger series (even 26 aside) it will (should) make the rookie picture a lot clearer hopefully.

I don't mind it at all.. the 6 mid only guys should all be at the pointy end of the top players - agree Laird's DPP is useful in opening up a few possibilities.

Good to get away from the common structures given the a lot of teams are starting to overlap a fair bit!

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Think I've seen it mentioned on here a few times but is anyone else running Ziebell at F1? With all the Fwd, M/F & D/F rookies I reckon we can run at 3 least on the field up there and have some on the bench as well.

So something like Ziebell, Daniher, Impey, followed by rookies.

I'm not really a fan of the fwd premos at the moment, the only two I'm considering are Dusty & Dunkley but I'd probably rather a fair few def/mid premos ahead on them if I'm being honest.

First upgrades would be in the fwds, basically allows me all the heavy hitters except for Lloyd.

Where do you put the money is the risk on this decision?

Defenders, most have 3 already, do you go 5. Defenders are notorious at being inconsistent and have 5 spots locked away doesn't allow for the bolters. Also, defenders scored more last year, the amount above 95-100 is much higher than fwds, maybe there is risk that their scoring comes down as longer quarters/rotations reduces leading to higher scoring games again.

Midfielders have their own risk this year with uncertainties of role changes and injuries. Also saw a lift in scoring for this group, particular the top end vs the bottom 20% of players. Could see some mean reversion.

I am nervous alone have 5 mids with 3 being Walsh, Cripps and Rowell. What happens if Treloar injured and Bont, Macrae, Hunter or a Steele, Fyfe, Kelly are all better than we think.

This doesn't even allow for these low mid price players either having injuries (Daniher) or maybe role changes don't last (ziebell/impey).

Some balance is the key to this. I plan to use them to reduce my reliance on rookies rather than premiums, hopefully!

 

[Herbie66]

I don't mind it at all.. the 6 mid only guys should all be at the pointy end of the top players - agree Laird's DPP is useful in opening up a few possibilities.

Good to get away from the common structures given the a lot of teams are starting to overlap a fair bit!

I guess with the mids you can look at aggregate or average , probably a choice of 12 or 15 that could all work.

Probably need to be confident that Cripps gets back to that bracket.

At the moment I would be looking at maybe Macrae , Mitchell , Neale so if Petracca & Steele backup I could miss them.

Maybe Bont.

Then you have the guys like Lyons , Adams , Pendlebury , Treloar etc etc

How much Brayshaw , McCluggage & Walsh etc improve + what Rowell achieves.

I certainly think the forward line offers the variance Heeney or someone else + ZDI & rookies or Ziebell at F1.

Seems a few more teams looking to start Danger , Dunkley , Dusty etc but look very exposed (in my opinion) with rookies at My 6-8.