Position SC 2021: Forward Discussion
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I need Dow in my mids personally.
Welcome to the Horse dilemma... win a flag that you're not meant to win on the back of something out of the box and then you get about 5 years more than you should of them undermining the list because the rest of the league shuts down that out of the box move and they've got nothing else and no common sense to just play to their players strengths! Dogs list was so well placed after the flag for years of flag contention before it got Bevoed.
Doesn't sound good for Dunks though, poor guy, I thought he was pretty good against Hawthorn as well so don't even agree there with Bevo.
He's the guy who goes for defender 5 or Grundy right now for mine anyway so almost prefer him not picked in my side given how many forward rookies there appear to be.
Welcome to the Horse dilemma... win a flag that you're not meant to win on the back of something out of the box and then you get about 5 years more than you should of them undermining the list because the rest of the league shuts down that out of the box move and they've got nothing else and no common sense to just play to their players strengths! Dogs list was so well placed after the flag for years of flag contention before it got Bevoed.
Doesn't sound good for Dunks though, poor guy, I thought he was pretty good against Hawthorn as well so don't even agree there with Bevo.
He's the guy who goes for defender 5 or Grundy right now for mine anyway so almost prefer him not picked in my side given how many forward rookies there appear to be.
Yeah, this has always been the worry on Dunks for me. I think he's clearly the best forward out of Libba/Treloar.
I think Macrae and Bont are the Doggies best inside mids (and also up there as the best inside mids in the AFL) so they need to be No.1 and 2 for inside mid rotations. Libba and Treloar are fairly useless outside of the CBs, so they likely are No. 3 and No.4 in the chain. Hunter and B.Smith can take the wing role. That really leaves Dunkley at 190cm needing to play mainly fwd for team balance.
I think Macrae and Bont are the Doggies best inside mids (and also up there as the best inside mids in the AFL) so they need to be No.1 and 2 for inside mid rotations. Libba and Treloar are fairly useless outside of the CBs, so they likely are No. 3 and No.4 in the chain. Hunter and B.Smith can take the wing role. That really leaves Dunkley at 190cm needing to play mainly fwd for team balance.
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It's amazing how opinions can differ, I think he's pretty much their worst 
Bont is clearly better in every way. Macrae is so much better as a ball user, finds more of it and can play both inside and out equally well. Smith is way more explosive and dynamic and a much better ball user. Treloar is equally bad by foot but has more speed and finds more of the ball, this one is close though. Libba is a considerably better ball user, better in the clearances and probably even as a tackler. Hunter isn't better inside but as a pure winger he's elite at his position, total apples and oranges though.
Not to take anything away from Dunkley, he's probably the best pure DT fantasy option of the bunch and is an excellent player (I wish he was a Swan like he should have been) it's just in that company I think he's their worst. Hurt more by also probably being the best forward of the group.
Dunkley is kind of like dating the ugly Victoria's Secret model...
Bont is clearly better in every way. Macrae is so much better as a ball user, finds more of it and can play both inside and out equally well. Smith is way more explosive and dynamic and a much better ball user. Treloar is equally bad by foot but has more speed and finds more of the ball, this one is close though. Libba is a considerably better ball user, better in the clearances and probably even as a tackler. Hunter isn't better inside but as a pure winger he's elite at his position, total apples and oranges though.
Not to take anything away from Dunkley, he's probably the best pure DT fantasy option of the bunch and is an excellent player (I wish he was a Swan like he should have been) it's just in that company I think he's their worst. Hurt more by also probably being the best forward of the group.
Dunkley is kind of like dating the ugly Victoria's Secret model...
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It's amazing how opinions can differ, I think he's pretty much their worst
Bont is clearly better in every way. Macrae is so much better as a ball user, finds more of it and can play both inside and out equally well. Smith is way more explosive and dynamic and a much better ball user. Treloar is equally bad by foot but has more speed and finds more of the ball, this one is close though. Libba is a considerably better ball user, better in the clearances and probably even as a tackler. Hunter isn't better inside but as a pure winger he's elite at his position, total apples and oranges though.
Not to take anything away from Dunkley, he's probably the best pure DT fantasy option of the bunch and is an excellent player (I wish he was a Swan like he should have been) it's just in that company I think he's their worst. Hurt more by also probably being the best forward of the group.
Dunkley is kind of like dating the ugly Victoria's Secret model...
Bont is clearly better in every way. Macrae is so much better as a ball user, finds more of it and can play both inside and out equally well. Smith is way more explosive and dynamic and a much better ball user. Treloar is equally bad by foot but has more speed and finds more of the ball, this one is close though. Libba is a considerably better ball user, better in the clearances and probably even as a tackler. Hunter isn't better inside but as a pure winger he's elite at his position, total apples and oranges though.
Not to take anything away from Dunkley, he's probably the best pure DT fantasy option of the bunch and is an excellent player (I wish he was a Swan like he should have been) it's just in that company I think he's their worst. Hurt more by also probably being the best forward of the group.
Dunkley is kind of like dating the ugly Victoria's Secret model...
Treloar is rubbish if we are talkiing about impact, his disposal can do more damage than good, especially if you get it 100 times and give it directly to the opposition 95 times. Libba has had his days, isn't a round enough footballer for todays game, I think the Dogs have created their own issues with players that can do 1 thing really well but not flexible enough to play other positions.....a case could be made that Macrae, Dunks, Bont, Smith, Maclean, Wallis have all been played in areas that aren't their strongest just to keep them in the side beacuse they are or have been very good players. Doesn't work IMO.
II still think if you played Dunkley as a pure RR he'd probably win the Dogs B&F.
Don't disagree with much of this. I'd argue that Dunkley's scoreboard impact is partly from playing forward a fair bit more but also is the reason why he plays forward.
Think the last part applies to every single one of them, fwiw. I mean Libba and Bont have won it, Hunter also in his natural position. That leaves Macrae has been top 3 like 4 times and almost won a couple. Smith will give it a good shout over the next few years and Treloar has been close the few times he's stayed fit.
Do disagree on Treloar, you're being incredibly harsh there, especially given that statistically Treloar is a better kick than the man you're defending and that Dunkley's bad kicking is at the crux of why I think he's probably the worst of the batch. Treloar is actually closer to Bont than Dunkley is to Treloar. Treloar also gains almost 150m a game more than Dunkley which given Dunkley is a bit over 215 is an incredibly large gap if we're talking impact.
Agree entirely on Bevo playing everyone out of position for extended periods. McLean is a guy I'm shocked no one has poached, for mine he's been pretty much elite as an inside midfielder when used there and instead used as a tagging forward. Libba is an elite inside guy who spent the best part of two seasons as a forward pocket. Dunkley I totally get Essendon going for, he should be played out of position at the Dogs, imo, but you're spot on that he could win a B&F, even at the Dogs, as a midfielder, he's that good at it. Bont has perhaps suffered for it more than anyone. Smith we will see but I think he'll be the next to cop it despite basically being the most talented of all their mids.
As I said, Dunkley is the ugly Victoria's Secret model at the Dogs, he's an elite player suffering because the other mids are just a bit better and also because he's better as a forward than they are.
Think the last part applies to every single one of them, fwiw. I mean Libba and Bont have won it, Hunter also in his natural position. That leaves Macrae has been top 3 like 4 times and almost won a couple. Smith will give it a good shout over the next few years and Treloar has been close the few times he's stayed fit.
Do disagree on Treloar, you're being incredibly harsh there, especially given that statistically Treloar is a better kick than the man you're defending and that Dunkley's bad kicking is at the crux of why I think he's probably the worst of the batch. Treloar is actually closer to Bont than Dunkley is to Treloar. Treloar also gains almost 150m a game more than Dunkley which given Dunkley is a bit over 215 is an incredibly large gap if we're talking impact.
Agree entirely on Bevo playing everyone out of position for extended periods. McLean is a guy I'm shocked no one has poached, for mine he's been pretty much elite as an inside midfielder when used there and instead used as a tagging forward. Libba is an elite inside guy who spent the best part of two seasons as a forward pocket. Dunkley I totally get Essendon going for, he should be played out of position at the Dogs, imo, but you're spot on that he could win a B&F, even at the Dogs, as a midfielder, he's that good at it. Bont has perhaps suffered for it more than anyone. Smith we will see but I think he'll be the next to cop it despite basically being the most talented of all their mids.
As I said, Dunkley is the ugly Victoria's Secret model at the Dogs, he's an elite player suffering because the other mids are just a bit better and also because he's better as a forward than they are.
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Sydney is not ready to rule him out and will spend the next 10 days putting their champion goal-kicker through his paces and increasingly his workload.
The club is acutely aware of Franklin’s ambitious desire to return against the Lions, but will not risk him under any circumstances with a view to getting him through the entire season.
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Must say only 26% of the poll with Danger is surprising. At his best is a 120-130ppg guy.
Watched a lot of him last year and he was simply in cruise control most of the season, hardly broke a sweat and rolled out a 113ppg season.
Bloke is an entertainer and will enjoy having crowds back. Will get a chance to roll out a few of his dramatic mid game injuries again.
Not the greatest pre-season but is reportedly ready to go. Lock for mine along with Dusty with all the uncertainty with the forwards.
Watched a lot of him last year and he was simply in cruise control most of the season, hardly broke a sweat and rolled out a 113ppg season.
Bloke is an entertainer and will enjoy having crowds back. Will get a chance to roll out a few of his dramatic mid game injuries again.
Not the greatest pre-season but is reportedly ready to go. Lock for mine along with Dusty with all the uncertainty with the forwards.
There was some uncertainty around him when the topic was started which probably affects the results you see. I doubt 64% will be starting Marshall either.
I would like to start Danger, but I'm about $150K short of my ideal starting team right now, hoping the games this weekend sort things out so I don’t need to compromise a selection, one more good rookie option showing up would be great (multiple would be even better).
I would like to start Danger, but I'm about $150K short of my ideal starting team right now, hoping the games this weekend sort things out so I don’t need to compromise a selection, one more good rookie option showing up would be great (multiple would be even better).
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All things considered - Durability, Attributes, Consistency, Production, Scoreboard impact, X Factor, I have it Bont>Macrae>Dunkley>Smith>Treloar/Libba
Dunks is the best contested ball winner as you said, and like Bont/Macrae he can take the big bodied mid if needed. Libba was great last year, was planned to be rested and shorter games probably saved him. Think hes actually a decent HF player and applies good pressure up forward, and seems to be good around stoppages inside 50. Given his age why wouldnt you play him more there when you have 3 guys who had 60 brownlow votes playing mid the year before. Treloar is a higher production. less skilled. less versatile Bailey Smith really, maybe a bit more acceleration. And also always injured it seems. Very dumb acquisition thats going to force someone out the door. Both libba and treloar are in the wrong age bracket once JUH gets to the right age, expect them to have similar forward struggles to last year. List management is a complete failure and it was exposed against the Saints last year. But anyway they are a better team with Dunkley in the mids, once he moved in they won a lot more games in 2019, that was his first season playing mostly midfield, hes slowly shown to develop a bit more forward craft and looks more agile than 2019. Kick under pressure is an issue. best to handball it out to Bont/Macrae/Smith or clear it. As much as Bevo is to blame the stupid ideas in his head, list management have completely effed up their balance.
Dunks is the best contested ball winner as you said, and like Bont/Macrae he can take the big bodied mid if needed. Libba was great last year, was planned to be rested and shorter games probably saved him. Think hes actually a decent HF player and applies good pressure up forward, and seems to be good around stoppages inside 50. Given his age why wouldnt you play him more there when you have 3 guys who had 60 brownlow votes playing mid the year before. Treloar is a higher production. less skilled. less versatile Bailey Smith really, maybe a bit more acceleration. And also always injured it seems. Very dumb acquisition thats going to force someone out the door. Both libba and treloar are in the wrong age bracket once JUH gets to the right age, expect them to have similar forward struggles to last year. List management is a complete failure and it was exposed against the Saints last year. But anyway they are a better team with Dunkley in the mids, once he moved in they won a lot more games in 2019, that was his first season playing mostly midfield, hes slowly shown to develop a bit more forward craft and looks more agile than 2019. Kick under pressure is an issue. best to handball it out to Bont/Macrae/Smith or clear it. As much as Bevo is to blame the stupid ideas in his head, list management have completely effed up their balance.