Discussion 2021: AFL Pre-Season Practice Matches & AAMI Community Series Discussion
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I agree in general on Cripps and Walsh. But I had planned for four Carlton premos (those two plus Docherty and Williams) and the team was bad enough last night that I am now worried about that. Cripps one of my first picked but Walsh now teetering on the edge of my team.
I think they're testing Dow out in the hope he steps up and I'm worried he is going to fail the test and get dropped to send a message.
Hate this kind of decision and know I will get it wrong. Think it's equally plausible that it all comes together for him and he goes at 80+ or he bombs and doesn't play after RD3. It may be true that our hand is forced and we have to pick him anyway, and that all of the options have worse JS. But 200k players who get dropped are poison.
I think they're testing Dow out in the hope he steps up and I'm worried he is going to fail the test and get dropped to send a message.
Hate this kind of decision and know I will get it wrong. Think it's equally plausible that it all comes together for him and he goes at 80+ or he bombs and doesn't play after RD3. It may be true that our hand is forced and we have to pick him anyway, and that all of the options have worse JS. But 200k players who get dropped are poison.
His history shows quite a few 17+ disposal games with very limited supercoach scoring. Some players just don't move the needle. I've been looking for players like Wines and Hopper to break out since champion data raved about their junior record but they never get there.
He should beat his price but I would still prefer a basement price cash cow.
He should beat his price but I would still prefer a basement price cash cow.
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Agree, need to be careful not too read too much into roles, yet dont ignore what we did see when in roles.
Walsh - has dropped out of my team. Did well when Cripps forward, not going to happen like it did 2H. Williams too good on the inside and will take points he received last year.
Cripps - ignore time forward for 3Q, not likely in a game. Note handball to kick ratio was ridiculous, going to be distributor by hand to Walsh, he talked about this pre season. This could hurt him getting to 110 levels. Williams may steal some inside points too. Could drop out of my team.
Williams - in. Good inside role and dangerous forward. Had dropped him on Martin comment, however, his forward role was as a crumber when he kicked goals. Back in my team although dont like injury risk. Limiting these players.
Dow - question marks. Lots of CBA, ave return. Reied on Cripps not being there. Could be a good hedge on Williams if the latter gets injured. Role in my team depends on rookies picked.
Martin - expect he is relegated forward, didnt do much from what I saw.
Comparision to days of geelong having number of SC relevant players, Carlton is not Geelong!
Appreciate all the insights above, all helpful and just giving my 2c.
Walsh - has dropped out of my team. Did well when Cripps forward, not going to happen like it did 2H. Williams too good on the inside and will take points he received last year.
Cripps - ignore time forward for 3Q, not likely in a game. Note handball to kick ratio was ridiculous, going to be distributor by hand to Walsh, he talked about this pre season. This could hurt him getting to 110 levels. Williams may steal some inside points too. Could drop out of my team.
Williams - in. Good inside role and dangerous forward. Had dropped him on Martin comment, however, his forward role was as a crumber when he kicked goals. Back in my team although dont like injury risk. Limiting these players.
Dow - question marks. Lots of CBA, ave return. Reied on Cripps not being there. Could be a good hedge on Williams if the latter gets injured. Role in my team depends on rookies picked.
Martin - expect he is relegated forward, didnt do much from what I saw.
Comparision to days of geelong having number of SC relevant players, Carlton is not Geelong!
Appreciate all the insights above, all helpful and just giving my 2c.
Just want make one point on the SC score's for the preseason games and not being too fixated on what people score, remember teams are playing with extended benches, last night 51 players played that's an extra 7 players taking a slice of the 3300 scoring pie.
Also the people that watched Carlton's other practice game last week, was it as uncontested as last night? If it was more contested that could help explain why some players looked a lot better then and not so much last night. Last night was pretty free flowing and not what you would expect from a home and away game, so many times players were out on the wings with no one around them, definitely suited some players.
Also the people that watched Carlton's other practice game last week, was it as uncontested as last night? If it was more contested that could help explain why some players looked a lot better then and not so much last night. Last night was pretty free flowing and not what you would expect from a home and away game, so many times players were out on the wings with no one around them, definitely suited some players.
The thing to consider with Clark is that Zak Jones wasn't playing last night. They've got a lot of potential 80s or 90s players floating around various midfield/wing/hbf/hff roles and competing for points in Ross, Higgins, Billings, Clark, Jones, Crouch, Gresham and maybe even Hill. That could be too many for one of those players to stand out.
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Saturday, March 6
North Melbourne v Hawthorn at Arden Street Oval, 4.10pm AEDT
NORTH MELBOURNE
B: K.Hayden 37 B.McKay 23 S.Atley 18
HB: J.Ziebell - C 7 A.Corr 4 L.McDonald 11
C: B.Scott 8 L.Davies-Uniacke 9 J.Stephenson 2
HF: K.Turner 28 C.Zurhaar 44 T.Thomas 26
F: T.Powell 24 N.Larkey 20 C.Taylor 5
Foll: T.Goldstein 22 D.Tyson 21 J.Simpkin 12
I/C: J.Mahony 1 A.Bosenavulagi 15 La.Young 17 J.Walker 19 W.Phillips 29 C.Lazzaro 35 P.Spicer 36 T.Campbell 42
Emerg: T.Garner 6 C.Menadue 31 P.Walker 33 E.Ford 40
HAWTHORN
B: K.Hartigan 28 S.Frost 8 S.Burgoyne 9
HB: J.Impey 4 B.Hardwick 15 W.Day 12
C: D.Moore 36 J.Worpel 5 H.Morrison 1
HF: T.Phillips 16 T.O'Brien 23 O.Hanrahan 13
F: T.Brockman 42 M.Lewis 2 J.Koschitzke 34
Foll: B.McEvoy - C 7 L.Shiels 26 D.Howe 17
I/C: C.Jiath 29 L.Bramble 0 J.Ceglar 18 C.Downie 41 D.Greaves 30 C.Nash 11 M.Hartley 27 F.Maginness 32
Emerg: E.Jeka 39 D.Grainger-Barras 38 N.Reeves 37 J.Morris 35
Geelong v Essendon at GMHBA Stadium, 7.10pm AEDT
GEELONG
B: J.Henry 38 M.Blicavs 46 T.Stewart 44
HB: M.O'Connor 42 L.Henderson 25 Z.Tuohy 2
C: I.Smith 7 P.Dangerfield 35 S.Menegola 27
HF: G.Miers 32 J.Cameron 5 S.Higgins 4
F: G.Rohan 23 T.Hawkins 26 T.Atkins 30
Foll: S.De Koning 16 J.Selwood - C 14 B.Parfitt 3
I/C: J.Bews 24 J.Clark 6 C.Guthrie 29 J.Jenkins 11 J.Kolodjashnij 8 C.Constable 18 Z.Guthrie 39 F.Evans 31
Emerg: N.Kreuger 15 Q.Narkle 19 B.Jarvis 10 S.Neale 33
ESSENDON
B: J.Stewart 17 A.Francis 10 J.Laverde 15
HB: N.Hind 19 J.Ridley 14 D.Heppell - C 21
C: K.Langford 4 Z.Merrett 7 N.Cox 13
HF: D.Shiel 9 H.Jones 23 W.Snelling 40
F: A.McDonald-Tipungwuti 43 P.Wright 20 C.Hooker 26
Foll: S.Draper 2 J.Caldwell 6 B.Ham 33
I/C: N.Cahill 28 A.McGrath 1 D.Parish 3 D.Smith 5 M.Gleeson 8 N.Bryan 24 A.Perkins 16 A.Waterman 42
Emerg: T.Cutler 12 Z.Reid 31 B.Zerk-Thatcher 30 J.Eyre 32
https://www.afl.com.au/news/556433/teams-cats-to-unveil-big-guns-new-faces-galore
North Melbourne v Hawthorn at Arden Street Oval, 4.10pm AEDT
NORTH MELBOURNE
B: K.Hayden 37 B.McKay 23 S.Atley 18
HB: J.Ziebell - C 7 A.Corr 4 L.McDonald 11
C: B.Scott 8 L.Davies-Uniacke 9 J.Stephenson 2
HF: K.Turner 28 C.Zurhaar 44 T.Thomas 26
F: T.Powell 24 N.Larkey 20 C.Taylor 5
Foll: T.Goldstein 22 D.Tyson 21 J.Simpkin 12
I/C: J.Mahony 1 A.Bosenavulagi 15 La.Young 17 J.Walker 19 W.Phillips 29 C.Lazzaro 35 P.Spicer 36 T.Campbell 42
Emerg: T.Garner 6 C.Menadue 31 P.Walker 33 E.Ford 40
HAWTHORN
B: K.Hartigan 28 S.Frost 8 S.Burgoyne 9
HB: J.Impey 4 B.Hardwick 15 W.Day 12
C: D.Moore 36 J.Worpel 5 H.Morrison 1
HF: T.Phillips 16 T.O'Brien 23 O.Hanrahan 13
F: T.Brockman 42 M.Lewis 2 J.Koschitzke 34
Foll: B.McEvoy - C 7 L.Shiels 26 D.Howe 17
I/C: C.Jiath 29 L.Bramble 0 J.Ceglar 18 C.Downie 41 D.Greaves 30 C.Nash 11 M.Hartley 27 F.Maginness 32
Emerg: E.Jeka 39 D.Grainger-Barras 38 N.Reeves 37 J.Morris 35
Geelong v Essendon at GMHBA Stadium, 7.10pm AEDT
GEELONG
B: J.Henry 38 M.Blicavs 46 T.Stewart 44
HB: M.O'Connor 42 L.Henderson 25 Z.Tuohy 2
C: I.Smith 7 P.Dangerfield 35 S.Menegola 27
HF: G.Miers 32 J.Cameron 5 S.Higgins 4
F: G.Rohan 23 T.Hawkins 26 T.Atkins 30
Foll: S.De Koning 16 J.Selwood - C 14 B.Parfitt 3
I/C: J.Bews 24 J.Clark 6 C.Guthrie 29 J.Jenkins 11 J.Kolodjashnij 8 C.Constable 18 Z.Guthrie 39 F.Evans 31
Emerg: N.Kreuger 15 Q.Narkle 19 B.Jarvis 10 S.Neale 33
ESSENDON
B: J.Stewart 17 A.Francis 10 J.Laverde 15
HB: N.Hind 19 J.Ridley 14 D.Heppell - C 21
C: K.Langford 4 Z.Merrett 7 N.Cox 13
HF: D.Shiel 9 H.Jones 23 W.Snelling 40
F: A.McDonald-Tipungwuti 43 P.Wright 20 C.Hooker 26
Foll: S.Draper 2 J.Caldwell 6 B.Ham 33
I/C: N.Cahill 28 A.McGrath 1 D.Parish 3 D.Smith 5 M.Gleeson 8 N.Bryan 24 A.Perkins 16 A.Waterman 42
Emerg: T.Cutler 12 Z.Reid 31 B.Zerk-Thatcher 30 J.Eyre 32
https://www.afl.com.au/news/556433/teams-cats-to-unveil-big-guns-new-faces-galore
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