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This is me after the AAMI games. Only $600 in the back pocket here, in a perfect world I'd have Macrae over Bont but what can you do.

Merrett and Macrae are the two mids I'd like, but just can't squeeze in.

Hayden Young is my boi, backing the talent there.

This is very similar to my team at both ends of the ground - the midfield is quite different to mine.

What are your thoughts on not running a loophole?

I've thought about getting a donut at D8 (with no options there anyway) but have always felt like Treacy gives me more flexibility when i downgrade Flynn at R3 i.e. I can downgrade him to a forward rookie and switch Treacy to the Ruck line.
 
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You could easily start that team as long as Flynn and Meek get the all clear for R1.
Your only issue is juggling VC/C options.
Don't think you could have a bad year starting that thb.(y)
Thanks for that , I better look at the Round 1 fixture and see if I need to work out some contingency plans.

Think I will follow the rookies and try and not get caught with to many $ 200-275k players.

Hopefully the rookies named Round 1 don't vanish after a couple of games.

Meek would be even more tempting to start if Darcy was out for the first 4-6 weeks.
 
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Not sure on Heppell, he might turn into Dow and Heeney into Dusty.
As that idea proves I'm not sure on Heeney either, don't love the Caldwell pick as I feel it's a bit of a risk, but he or Butters would be other potential replacements.

Pretty happy with the rest of the team, happy to take Murray and Highmore if at least one is named for R1 (the other I'll sit on thinking they'll play soon after), I'm not keen on going 6 deep with 3 premiums and 3 midpricers on field as it feels too ridiculous. If Murray needs an upgrade to a 120k - 130k player then Macrae > Bont is the move I'll do.

Fantasia over young is not out the question, Fantasia has gone 86 before and if he is actually fit he will have the best delivery he's had in his career. He played the Cyril Rioli flank role in 2018 and at stages in 2019 and he's not a SC unfriendly small forward when he gets going.

Thoughts are welcome.

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Not sure on Heppell, he might turn into Dow and Heeney into Dusty.
As that idea proves I'm not sure on Heeney either, don't love the Caldwell pick as I feel it's a bit of a risk, but he or Butters would be other potential replacements.

Pretty happy with the rest of the team, happy to take Murray and Highmore if at least one is named for R1 (the other I'll sit on thinking they'll play soon after), I'm not keen on going 6 deep with 3 premiums and 3 midpricers on field as it feels too ridiculous. If Murray needs an upgrade to a 120k - 130k player then Macrae > Bont is the move I'll do.

Fantasia over young is not out the question, Fantasia has gone 86 before and if he is actually fit he will have the best delivery he's had in his career. He played the Cyril Rioli flank role in 2018 and at stages in 2019 and he's not a SC unfriendly small forward when he gets going.

Thoughts are welcome.

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Definitely Down and Dusty in for Heeney and Heppell IMO FWIW

Heeney for mine is no way. Wasn't he playing almost FF on the weekend?
 
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Made a few changes, mainly after watching the dogs play & their fantasy friendly style - seems to me the new rules suit a few of their players very well :-

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Defenders :-

Laird - lock

Daniel - has replaced Mills purely because he looks perfectly suited to the new rules

Short - see Daniel

Young & Clark - big fan of both these kids, Clark looked great on the weekend - another one suited to the new rules. Young looks set to take plenty of kicks ins, dockers will want the ball in his hands being such an elite kick.

Highmore/Koisi/Murray the back rookies - happy to start Highmore.

Midfield :-

Like @wogitalia , contested ball winners with elite spread seem the way to go with the mids. Backing my boy Walsh in even though his kicking wasn't great last game. Cripps I am really torn over ... so much value but did underwhelm in the practice game. Did spend plenty of time fwd which I doubt happens when the real season starts. Campbell/Powell/Downie (or Gulden) I am happy to start with Brockman & Scott on the bench. I like having 3 mid rookies with Fwd/mid classification so can swap with Danger/Dunkley/Dow to help in providing cover if required.

Rucks :-

Boring lock & load - too much risk involved for mine not taking the 2 elite rucks

Forwards :-

Danger looks sublime & Dunkley I just couldn't ignore after his game yesterday, despite concerns re his role his ceiling is high, can see him having some massive games.

Ziebell/Daniher just too much value, Dow's role looks very lucrative & Warner cemented his round 1 spot last game.

Rowe a bench lock & I think Treacy gets games now with Lobb out long term.

Thoughts welcomed (y)
 
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Definitely Down and Dusty in for Heeney and Heppell IMO FWIW

Heeney for mine is no way. Wasn't he playing almost FF on the weekend?
I think the concern of Heeney playing forward is a bit of a misread of who he is as a player and what role he's played in the past.

Heeney averaged just as many points forward as he did as a mid per 100 minutes in 2019 (91 vs 92) and last year averaged 94 before his injury and only has forward status, so did that with over 65% forward time. Not an issue of position for me, more an issue of durability, not a perfect preseason, etc
 
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I think the concern of Heeney playing forward is a bit of a misread of who he is as a player and what role he's played in the past.

Heeney averaged just as many points forward as he did as a mid per 100 minutes in 2019 (91 vs 92) and last year averaged 94 before his injury and only has forward status, so did that with over 65% forward time. Not an issue of position for me, more an issue of durability, not a perfect preseason, etc
That said if he has no midfield time at all it could eat at his average a little bit, as his high scoring when playing forward is harder to sustain on the balance of everything.
 
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Made a few changes, mainly after watching the dogs play & their fantasy friendly style - seems to me the new rules suit a few of their players very well :-

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Defenders :-

Laird - lock

Daniel - has replaced Mills purely because he looks perfectly suited to the new rules

Short - see Daniel

Young & Clark - big fan of both these kids, Clark looked great on the weekend - another one suited to the new rules. Young looks set to take plenty of kicks ins, dockers will want the ball in his hands being such an elite kick.

Highmore/Koisi/Murray the back rookies - happy to start Highmore.

Midfield :-

Like @wogitalia , contested ball winners with elite spread seem the way to go with the mids. Backing my boy Walsh in even though his kicking wasn't great last game. Cripps I am really torn over ... so much value but did underwhelm in the practice game. Did spend plenty of time fwd which I doubt happens when the real season starts. Campbell/Powell/Downie (or Gulden) I am happy to start with Brockman & Scott on the bench. I like having 3 mid rookies with Fwd/mid classification so can swap with Danger/Dunkley/Dow to help in providing cover if required.

Rucks :-

Boring lock & load - too much risk involved for mine not taking the 2 elite rucks

Forwards :-

Danger looks sublime & Dunkley I just couldn't ignore after his game yesterday, despite concerns re his role his ceiling is high, can see him having some massive games.

Ziebell/Daniher just too much value, Dow's role looks very lucrative & Warner cemented his round 1 spot last game.

Rowe a bench lock & I think Treacy gets games now with Lobb out long term.

Thoughts welcomed (y)
20 of the same players, so hopefully both going in the right direction. If you had to take a WCE defender who would you take?
 
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Not sure on Heppell, he might turn into Dow and Heeney into Dusty.
As that idea proves I'm not sure on Heeney either, don't love the Caldwell pick as I feel it's a bit of a risk, but he or Butters would be other potential replacements.

Pretty happy with the rest of the team, happy to take Murray and Highmore if at least one is named for R1 (the other I'll sit on thinking they'll play soon after), I'm not keen on going 6 deep with 3 premiums and 3 midpricers on field as it feels too ridiculous. If Murray needs an upgrade to a 120k - 130k player then Macrae > Bont is the move I'll do.

Fantasia over young is not out the question, Fantasia has gone 86 before and if he is actually fit he will have the best delivery he's had in his career. He played the Cyril Rioli flank role in 2018 and at stages in 2019 and he's not a SC unfriendly small forward when he gets going.

Thoughts are welcome.

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Looks really strong. I'm still a little iffy on the Heeney pick but I know you've been bullish, nice to see you back your boy there.

I've gone crawling back to a Gawndy draft in the past couple of hours after deciding my rookie R2 team didn't look strong enough to justify the risk of Gawn dropping a 200 on poor Meek in round 1.
 
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So time for the final draft before teams, I actually didn't tweak nearly as much as I expected and this is very much a "throwing poop at a wall and seeing how it smells" team. Will be pretty detailed :)

Backs

Lloyd - Not sold still but I think if I'm picking 5 I kind of have to pick him or I pigeon hole myself into him as an upgrade target. Still very tempted to flip for Stewart as he's breaking my "no preseason issues" rule.

Laird - Not as sold at all on him but he's still a run and spread guy (see midfield) so happy with him. Definitely capable of 110+.

Daniel - Has been in most of my drafts, of all the things tags are genuinely my biggest concern with this pick. The new rules suit him.

Short - Finally forced his way into my team. New rules suit him and think he continues his progress to the 105 land.

Docherty - New rules suit him also and expect big things from him. Reckon Saad distracts some attention but he should really benefit from the rules is the main reason here. I don't love this pick but the value is strong.

Clark - I don't love this and will jump at rookies if they appear, I tend to believe Scott that he's on the fringe still, Duncan will take his role from the weekend when fit. I still think the rule changes suit him and he's too good to keep playing in the reserves or they'll lose him.

Kosi - As close to a lock down back.

Highmore - Highly speculative pick but hoping basically. Just need one rookie.

Structurally if Briggs wins the ruck contest at GWS he will mess my team up completely but would also be an on-field rookie I have to start. I like Cox from Clark if I need money. Not sure what I do if Highmore doesn't make it or a replacement isn't available.

Premiums I really like but couldn't fit - Ridley, Stewart, Mills, Crisp, Houston and Rich...

Mids

Macrae - Happy with his role in the hitout and think he's the standout benefactor of the new rules who also looks fit. I'd love Neale but I haven't liked either of his preseason games and that worries me given how bad his preseason was.

Merrett - There is a theme here for those playing at home. Contested ball winners with elite spread. Merrett has been in since the first weeks games and cemented. He'll be in my team barring injury.

Kelly - Durability is a risk but he ticks the perfect preseason box and, theme...

Fyfe - Doesn't fit the theme as well but also had a big preseason and just looks good. There are all kinds of alternatives here.

Walsh - Theme. I don't think he kicks AS bad as he did last game, he's not a good kick but he's not that bad. His role was great, he's an elite spread player and he's good enough in the contest. His average to end last year is real enough for me.

Campbell - Elite kick, playing half back and I couldn't afford Dow :LOL: so that was an easy choice. Rate him very highly and hoping for 80 but expecting 70s.

Powell - Elite spread guy also but mostly just seems to have found a spot and shown some real scoring ability. At his price there are alternatives if I need them and I'm happy starting Gulden and Scott also.

Downie - Just rate him, it's Clarko so wouldn't shock me if he's not there round 1 but I'd still be surprised.

Brockman - Don't want to start him on field but he should make cash.

Gulden - Happy to start him, he looks a ripper.

Scott - Bit more speculative but I imagine one of him and McNeil will be there round one, DPP and better role wins the tick between them.

Structurally I'd actually like to pick one more defender premium and get another rookie on the field in the mid/fwd but I can't back in picking 6 with no Whitfield and the expectation he's cheap. This team is a conscious decision to shade inside midfielders, who I would traditionally gravitate towards based on the stylistic changes from the rules. No Cripps as I just didn't like his game, I'm sure he'll torch me again this year, such is our love/hate relationship :LOL:

Premiums I like - Neale, Pendlebury, Bont, Coniglio, Taranto, Cripps and Rowell.

Rucks

Grundy - I like Gawn more, I actually am not liking either because the stoppages seem way down and the preseason trends on those normally stack up. Unfortunately there is no midpricer I actually feel confident on making cash, Draper, Hickey, Martin and Nank probably the best 4 and they all range from the bad to terrible picks on my radar!

Flynn - See the Briggs comment above, if he's not the ruck everything changes. If Hunter or both Treacy/Fullarton play I'd be very tempted to start Meek and Flynn. I think he looked better than Briggs and will play if fit.

Meek - Loved his game, looks good, JL saying he's firming for round one is good. I really like Darcy as a prospect but he's not put any runs on the board to deserve a game round one after Meeks' preseason. Happy to start him also.

Structurally I'm still drawn to just starting Grawndy and riding it out but sometimes you have to take a punt and back a trend (couple of years ago it was kick-in takers) and I honestly think I'm leaning towards shading Grawndy if there is a reasonable way to do it. Shame we can't handcuff Flynn and Briggs!

Negative of taking the risk here is you're forced into targeting ruck upgrades early in the season just for security reasons but if the rucks flounder then that's possible.

Forwards

Dunkley - Was in my team before the weekend. Hardly taking him out now.

Phillips - Danger down to him is one of the bigger changes, most of the others were just Neale to Macrae, Gawn to Grundy type moves but the combination of those with this gets me a Doch level guy down back extra. Phillips, again, fits the theme. Played a much more contested role which is good for him as it's harder to kick it from there and his kicking is the problem but the threshold is lower and with Walters, Marshall and Sidebottom injured, the 90-95 guy who plays 22 just became a good shout at being a premium.

Ziebell - Just locked. Looks too good in that role to not.

Daniher - Value is there though with how many rookies popped up I'm not sold he's as much of a lock as I'd had him previously. Definitely a case for the Chandler or even Dow type picks.

Cahill - Flexible pick here but liked his role.

Warner - Impey/Dow down to him allows Clark from Cox down back which can be reversed in the event teams are terrible to us.

Bergman - Liked his role and his game. Hopefully Hartlett is there alongside him in round one but this is the guy I think is most likely not to make it round 1 of my rookies. Fair few switches available.

Rowe - Looks a safe pick, will be in every team I imagine.

Structurally I'd love Danger, I'd also love one premium but struggling where to re-direct the cash.

"Premiums" I like - Danger, Martin, Butters, Bailey, Langford and Caldwell


Would love thoughts, suggestions :)
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Mate, if you go with Flynn at R2 then you must have some seriously big cajones :p

Gawn plays his favourite teams historically to start with.

Stats courtesy of @Connoisseur :-

RD1: Avg VS Freo since 2015: 136.2 from 5
RD2: Avg VS StK since 2015: 118 from 11
RD3: Avg VS GWS since 2015: 135.17 from 6
RD4: Avg VS Geel since 2015: 103.57 from 7
RD5: Avg VS Haw since 2015: 141.4 from 5
RD6: Avg VS Rich since 2015: 150.6 from 5
RD7: Avg VS NM since 2015: 138.4 from 5

Last 3 matches against each side:
132+151+151
135+133+126
150+149+156
141+116+93
185+127+112
163+134+145
212+117+111
= 139.95 from 21 (1/21 below 100, 16/21 120+, 7/21 150+)

So effectively, if he starts with a bang, sustains his huge scoring v these teams, you are going to be well behind the pack chasing tail.

You can't win SC with your starting side but you can certainly put yourself out of the running by taking too much risk - I feel no Gawn is taking too much risk personally.

On Danger, the way he looked & with Cameron now at the cats so set to play majority midfield time, I think he is a must have.

With Lloyd missing on the weekend with a knee issue & being overpriced (how much does Campbell being in the team effect him/ does Dawson take more kick ins this year?) , I think downgrading him to free up the cash to get Danger in is the way to go.

Sorry if that sounds a little harsh but I wanted to give you an honest appraisal of your team - you have put so much valuable time & effort into reviewing all the games for everyone here that you deserve critical feedback (after all these years I know you are a big boy & can take criticism lol). Just would hate to see your team really struggle in the early stages by not starting Gawn & Danger - if both do start slowly then yes you would be laughing but I would be backing both in myself.

Just my thoughts anyway (y)
 
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20 of the same players, so hopefully both going in the right direction. If you had to take a WCE defender who would you take?
Duggan, no question.

Great preseason, looks in great nick - I don't think we will see Yeo for the first few months of the season, Duggan has looked very good in the middle & spreading from contests very nicely to become an option.
 
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Not sure on Heppell, he might turn into Dow and Heeney into Dusty.
As that idea proves I'm not sure on Heeney either, don't love the Caldwell pick as I feel it's a bit of a risk, but he or Butters would be other potential replacements.

Pretty happy with the rest of the team, happy to take Murray and Highmore if at least one is named for R1 (the other I'll sit on thinking they'll play soon after), I'm not keen on going 6 deep with 3 premiums and 3 midpricers on field as it feels too ridiculous. If Murray needs an upgrade to a 120k - 130k player then Macrae > Bont is the move I'll do.

Fantasia over young is not out the question, Fantasia has gone 86 before and if he is actually fit he will have the best delivery he's had in his career. He played the Cyril Rioli flank role in 2018 and at stages in 2019 and he's not a SC unfriendly small forward when he gets going.

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Can see the merit in each of these selections, albeit many are further down my list.

Keen to hear your thoughts on the impact of more free-flowing games and less congestions on players that depend on CP like Dunkley/Grundy/Cripps?
 
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Can see the merit in each of these selections, albeit many are further down my list.

Keen to hear your thoughts on the impact of more free-flowing games and less congestions on players that depend on CP like Dunkley/Grundy/Cripps?
You mean you don't see the merit in the Heppell or Heeney selections ?

Edit: read that as can't haha
 
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Can see the merit in each of these selections, albeit many are further down my list.

Keen to hear your thoughts on the impact of more free-flowing games and less congestions on players that depend on CP like Dunkley/Grundy/Cripps?
I'm not really sure if it will impact them that much, I think the interchange rule will make everyone tired and lead to worse skill levels late in quarters, I'd say that would impact the less skilful players even more, not sure of that, but generally in the wet for example skills tend to get much worse for those who already lack a lot of skill. Maybe some big bodies like Cripps/Dunkley/Grundy can actually wear the smaller bodied inside mids in the longer quarters (impossible to know).

The man on the mark just helps those with good kicking, which in turn might scale the scores towards those players/away from poor disposers.
 
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Not sure on Heppell, he might turn into Dow and Heeney into Dusty.
As that idea proves I'm not sure on Heeney either, don't love the Caldwell pick as I feel it's a bit of a risk, but he or Butters would be other potential replacements.

Pretty happy with the rest of the team, happy to take Murray and Highmore if at least one is named for R1 (the other I'll sit on thinking they'll play soon after), I'm not keen on going 6 deep with 3 premiums and 3 midpricers on field as it feels too ridiculous. If Murray needs an upgrade to a 120k - 130k player then Macrae > Bont is the move I'll do.

Fantasia over young is not out the question, Fantasia has gone 86 before and if he is actually fit he will have the best delivery he's had in his career. He played the Cyril Rioli flank role in 2018 and at stages in 2019 and he's not a SC unfriendly small forward when he gets going.

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Ok so given that Heeney appeared to be playing a FF rather than HF flank role I'm keen to get rid of him. I don't really want Dusty as it just feels too safe and cookie cutter with little upside. I'm not sure I like paying the money for Dow either, he just didn't show enough in that game to justify selecting him. So I will instead do Heeney > Fantasia and Heppell to Taranto :eek::eek:
 
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This is very similar to my team at both ends of the ground - the midfield is quite different to mine.

What are your thoughts on not running a loophole?

I've thought about getting a donut at D8 (with no options there anyway) but have always felt like Treacy gives me more flexibility when i downgrade Flynn at R3 i.e. I can downgrade him to a forward rookie and switch Treacy to the Ruck line.
Flynn is going to make some serious money. Loophole sadly has to be another position this season, D8/F8 looks the way to go even though it's annoying and confusing at times to do loopholes this way.

You're right about my team, expecting Lachie Jones misses selection. Maybe it's wise to take him and hope he's in the team sooner rather than later.
 
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Flynn is going to make some serious money. Loophole sadly has to be another position this season, D8/F8 looks the way to go even though it's annoying and confusing at times to do loopholes this way.
I meant more that your side lacks a loophole unless Highmore isn't named for round 1. I have Flynn at R3 and Treacy as a ruck/forward loophole at F8 .

I'm a little bit confused by what the best strategy is here and I'll need to get my head around it.

The only downside I see of doing a D8 loophole and not starting Treacy at F8 would be that when downgrading Flynn you can't get a rookie on the bubble to come into your forward line. You would potentially be missing out on a forward rookie at the same time to start the year (but then also missing one down back if you went the other approach).

If we are forced to pick a D8 donut then I would say don't start Treacy and try to get as many playing rookies as possible outside of D8. If we aren't I reckon the benefit of being able to flick Treacy forward and downgrading Flynn to a rookie is worthwhile. We then can use him to swing Marshall forward if necessary.
 
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