Discussion 2021: Round 1: Teams & In Game Discussion

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AFL CHIEF executive Gillon McLachlan has hinted the League will introduce a concussion substitute just two days out from the start of the 2021 season.

McLachlan said an announcement would be made on Tuesday morning regarding the potential rule that would most likely see a 23rd player named to a team's squad but only used in the event a teammate suffered a concussion during the game.

"I think there'll be a decision or an announcement in the morning," McLachlan told Fox Footy's AFL 360.

"There's a lot of stakeholder management to work through, directionally, (but) this is what I'd say:

"This is something that'll have no impact on the game, the rules.

"It's a health and safety possibility that I think makes sense if the clubs and coaches want to support it."

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan speaks to Damian Barrett
McLachlan indicated the discussions were still ongoing amid deliberations over whether a substitution would be a general medical substitution, rather than just for concussions.

"That's why we're still discussing it, because I think that medical aspect rather than just concussions, is where this might go," McLachlan said.

"I think that's what Steve Hocking's working through at the moment."

Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said he expected the concussion substitute rule to be confirmed on Tuesday but hoped it would instead be a medical substitute along with potential flexibility over which emergency to use rather than a set substitute.

"To get a concussion sub and then a guy breaks his leg four minutes later - why shouldn't you be able to use the sub for that reason also?" Hardwick also told AFL 360.

Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson told SEN on Monday morning the coaches were "nearly unanimous" in pushing for the concussion substitute, while GWS counterpart Leon Cameron also publicly backed it.

The AFL previously tightened its concussion protocols in January, with players now ruled out for 12 days after suffering concussions.

Richmond premiership captain Trent Cotchin also threw his support behind a concussion substitute plan.

"It's important that we protect the players and make sure that they don't feel like they're letting teammates down if they don't play," Cotchin said.

"With the education that's around it and the way it typically impacts you, not just now but also down the track in your life.

"I think we're aware of how significant concussion can be.

"We just want to make sure that we create a really safe environment for players to play."

Clarkson suggested the substitute player could be restricted to under-21s to avoid coaches bringing on experienced players for tactical reasons, while Sydney counterpart John Longmire flagged including slightly older players with minimal senior experience.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/562889/afl-hints-at-introduction-of-concussion-sub-rule
 
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RE: .........Medical sub is coming in, likely 1 player.........

I'm interested to see if the 'Medical Sub' is just for concussed players only, or for other long term injured players, like with an ACL injury?
Yeah unlikely it’s just for concussion.. on AFL360 they were asking Gillon about it using the GF as the example where one player was injured and one concussed within a matter of seconds and how you really couldn’t differentiate the two outcomes
 
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Common sense approach would be that the concussion sub has to come from the named emergencies. Too logical for the AFL though.
could be that if
AFL CHIEF executive Gillon McLachlan has hinted the League will introduce a concussion substitute just two days out from the start of the 2021 season.

McLachlan said an announcement would be made on Tuesday morning regarding the potential rule that would most likely see a 23rd player named to a team's squad but only used in the event a teammate suffered a concussion during the game.

"I think there'll be a decision or an announcement in the morning," McLachlan told Fox Footy's AFL 360.

"There's a lot of stakeholder management to work through, directionally, (but) this is what I'd say:

"This is something that'll have no impact on the game, the rules.

"It's a health and safety possibility that I think makes sense if the clubs and coaches want to support it."

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan speaks to Damian Barrett
McLachlan indicated the discussions were still ongoing amid deliberations over whether a substitution would be a general medical substitution, rather than just for concussions.

"That's why we're still discussing it, because I think that medical aspect rather than just concussions, is where this might go," McLachlan said.

"I think that's what Steve Hocking's working through at the moment."

Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said he expected the concussion substitute rule to be confirmed on Tuesday but hoped it would instead be a medical substitute along with potential flexibility over which emergency to use rather than a set substitute.

"To get a concussion sub and then a guy breaks his leg four minutes later - why shouldn't you be able to use the sub for that reason also?" Hardwick also told AFL 360.
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson told SEN on Monday morning the coaches were "nearly unanimous" in pushing for the concussion substitute, while GWS counterpart Leon Cameron also publicly backed it.

The AFL previously tightened its concussion protocols in January, with players now ruled out for 12 days after suffering concussions.

Richmond premiership captain Trent Cotchin also threw his support behind a concussion substitute plan.
"It's important that we protect the players and make sure that they don't feel like they're letting teammates down if they don't play," Cotchin said.

"With the education that's around it and the way it typically impacts you, not just now but also down the track in your life.

"I think we're aware of how significant concussion can be.

"We just want to make sure that we create a really safe environment for players to play."

Clarkson suggested the substitute player could be restricted to under-21s to avoid coaches bringing on experienced players for tactical reasons, while Sydney counterpart John Longmire flagged including slightly older players with minimal senior experience.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/562889/afl-hints-at-introduction-of-concussion-sub-rule
unlikely they would trigger as having played if they don’t come on the field ie never subbed in
 
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Clarkson suggested the substitute player could be restricted to under-21s to avoid coaches bringing on experienced players for tactical reasons, while Sydney counterpart John Longmire flagged including slightly older players with minimal senior experience.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/562889/afl-hints-at-introduction-of-concussion-sub-rule
Hate that idea of limiting it to under 21s. The sun rule stunted the development of younger players last time Imo, would hate to see it brought back.

Adelaide used to love rewarding our in form young guys with the green vest for a couple of weeks where they would play one quarter a game and fail to do anything in such minimal time that they would get dropped again.
 
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Hate that idea of limiting it to under 21s. The sun rule stunted the development of younger players last time Imo, would hate to see it brought back.

Adelaide used to love rewarding our in form young guys with the green vest for a couple of weeks where they would play one quarter a game and fail to do anything in such minimal time that they would get dropped again.
Yeh I took a break from fantasy games when it come out. As a person who lives and breathes football it was a weird time. It would really suck for a player who was recently drafted from Victoria already having 12 months of less development and may end up missing a few reserves games having to travel. With Covid aswell you may end up stuck interstate or in lockdown without being able to play any games on top of that.
 
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Yeah unlikely it’s just for concussion.. on AFL360 they were asking Gillon about it using the GF as the example where one player was injured and one concussed within a matter of seconds and how you really couldn’t differentiate the two outcomes
They'd have to make that the person coming off couldn't play the next week, otherwise it's just going to be used like the old sub rule by the coaches because they don't give a **** about intent, just the actual wording.
 
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They'd have to make that the person coming off couldn't play the next week, otherwise it's just going to be used like the old sub rule by the coaches because they don't give a **** about intent, just the actual wording.
Exactly. Otherwise late in the third quarter every week a tall guy will be at risk of tearing his calf off the bone (minor cramp), get subbed off, then play the next week.
They need to make sure it is unrortable by the coaches.
 
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Hate that idea of limiting it to under 21s. The sun rule stunted the development of younger players last time Imo, would hate to see it brought back.

Adelaide used to love rewarding our in form young guys with the green vest for a couple of weeks where they would play one quarter a game and fail to do anything in such minimal time that they would get dropped again.
Don't knock the sub rule, it was great for players like Josh Green who couldn't run out more than a quarter or so :ROFLMAO:
 
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It's a rookie ruck smorgasbord this year. Briggs as a def/forward is a lock for me if picked.
I can't justify playing Grawndy with so many rookie rucks making big $.
I'll start Gawn with Flynn and Meek with Hunter as potential backup and Fullerton as an extra backup although a sub trade is needed to make him a ruck.
The scoring system favours ruckman .
 
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240k still feels expensive for a bloke who scrapes his way into the side.
If he keeps up with something even close to his pre-season efforts then he wont be "scraping his way into the side" for long.

There's risk there yes, but the DPP and starting price makes a correction easier if one is needed.

The lack of defensive rookies showing up early is also a factor here - I have Clark at D6 currently.
 
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