Discussion SC 2021: Rookie Discussion
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Yeah you definitely need to make contingency plans to be able to immediately switch out the extra midfielder or forward you get from not starting Grawndy and probably keep a little cash off to the side as well.
Just have to hope the rest of your team stacks up and no other premo corrections are required elsewhere.
Just have to hope the rest of your team stacks up and no other premo corrections are required elsewhere.
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Yeah as a maggies fan who watched the game closely he was well off the pace and looked like a boy amongst men for sure with the lift in intensity. Might struggle a bit more when the real stuff starts but having said that he'll probably get the opposition half back sweeper most weeks, so he has a chance to do something if he's good enough.
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Last year Reid didn't play as a forward when he was in the side and only played 3 games in the side and Hill played 5 games / Langdon 7 games. Langdon and Hill both lack the skill set to play up the ground in any case, Langdon can't find the ball and his best trait is pressure and Hill is a goal sneak.
They only had 3 general forwards in the team who played consistently and they were Greene, Daniels and Lloyd. We all know Greene's role and how he is allowed to play up the ground. Daniels averaged 12 disposals per game, which would equate to close to 15 in regular game time and he averaged 14.5 the year before, that's more than a stay at home forward pocket. Daniels averaged more kicks inside 50 (2.7) than Greene did (2.5) in 2020. Lloyd averaged 10 disposals, which would equate to 12 or 13. But he is not asked to play deep, he plays up the ground.
Look at the heat map from last year of both players:
Lloyd:
Daniels:
Both are on AFL stats pro
Are these guys not finding the ball due to role or are they just not able to find the ball ? They don't look like they're playing deep forward to me. Lloyd is out for a long while and Bruhn is presumably the one taking his spot with Daniels to come back and I'm not sure where De Boer fits in.
I'm not saying Bruhn is a going to average very well or that he will average over 70, I'm not sure what he will average exactly, but the idea that GWS have forwards who score poorly because they aren't allowed to play up the ground and that all pressure forwards are the same is more complex than that, it might be the players themselves rather than the role. I see Bruhn as a guy with good JS who has more upside than people say and could average in the 60's, I won't condemn him to the Langdon role because he's a different player and I won't condemn him to the Hill role because he's not just drafted as a goal sneak.
What role is Bruhn slated to play? is he playing Langdon's role given Langdon barely played last year? seems unclear to me that he is going to be asked to play the pressure role in the side, especially if De Boer is named alongside him.
They only had 3 general forwards in the team who played consistently and they were Greene, Daniels and Lloyd. We all know Greene's role and how he is allowed to play up the ground. Daniels averaged 12 disposals per game, which would equate to close to 15 in regular game time and he averaged 14.5 the year before, that's more than a stay at home forward pocket. Daniels averaged more kicks inside 50 (2.7) than Greene did (2.5) in 2020. Lloyd averaged 10 disposals, which would equate to 12 or 13. But he is not asked to play deep, he plays up the ground.
Look at the heat map from last year of both players:
Lloyd:
Daniels:
Both are on AFL stats pro
Are these guys not finding the ball due to role or are they just not able to find the ball ? They don't look like they're playing deep forward to me. Lloyd is out for a long while and Bruhn is presumably the one taking his spot with Daniels to come back and I'm not sure where De Boer fits in.
I'm not saying Bruhn is a going to average very well or that he will average over 70, I'm not sure what he will average exactly, but the idea that GWS have forwards who score poorly because they aren't allowed to play up the ground and that all pressure forwards are the same is more complex than that, it might be the players themselves rather than the role. I see Bruhn as a guy with good JS who has more upside than people say and could average in the 60's, I won't condemn him to the Langdon role because he's a different player and I won't condemn him to the Hill role because he's not just drafted as a goal sneak.
What role is Bruhn slated to play? is he playing Langdon's role given Langdon barely played last year? seems unclear to me that he is going to be asked to play the pressure role in the side, especially if De Boer is named alongside him.
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De Boer was playing as a high HF. Greene will play the other half forward. Bruhn and I imagine Daniel when fit and available will be the small forwards now that Lloyd is out. Tom Green was also rotating off the half forward line and we know Coniglio will definitely feature there also (expecting those two to rotate) and Taranto will also likely push and rest forward.
Bruhn's just not going to score well based on the two games I've seen, his role is bad and will remain bad barring injuries through the midfield. He's the textbook young midfielder trying to play as a forward, he'll do some good things but he has almost no forward craft, he doesn't strike me as a pressure guy who will pick points up defensively commonly. He's going to be a good player but he looks like a 60+ average would be a pretty excellent outcome this season and I'd be surprised if he can pull it off.
If the ass falls out of the midfield rookies then he's there but to me that's what he is. Honestly for me he's probably most comparbale to Kozzy Pickett last year for role/job security/team and honestly Pickett is a lot more trained in the role.
In their defense they haven't had many firsts in recent times and have been chasing a flag. Quaynor didn't play early because he plays probably their strongest position as well so hurts the chances! Stephenson did.
Think Henry can be good to be honest, woudln't take too much out of a game where their #1 forward isn't playing, their #2 is injured at the start leaving him matched up on Dylan Grimes for most of the night against the best defense in the league over the last 4 years playing out of position as a genuine KPF.
He should be their 3rd tall playing a linking role, probably somewhat similar to Stephenson and he looks the goods.
Still way down my list of guys given the forward options but he has the profile of a good bench rookie. FWIW I'd save the 12k on Harrison Jones though. They profile to be very similar prospects to me.
Should do. Definitely a more senior player in a similar role.
Bruhn's just not going to score well based on the two games I've seen, his role is bad and will remain bad barring injuries through the midfield. He's the textbook young midfielder trying to play as a forward, he'll do some good things but he has almost no forward craft, he doesn't strike me as a pressure guy who will pick points up defensively commonly. He's going to be a good player but he looks like a 60+ average would be a pretty excellent outcome this season and I'd be surprised if he can pull it off.
If the ass falls out of the midfield rookies then he's there but to me that's what he is. Honestly for me he's probably most comparbale to Kozzy Pickett last year for role/job security/team and honestly Pickett is a lot more trained in the role.
In their defense they haven't had many firsts in recent times and have been chasing a flag. Quaynor didn't play early because he plays probably their strongest position as well so hurts the chances! Stephenson did.
Think Henry can be good to be honest, woudln't take too much out of a game where their #1 forward isn't playing, their #2 is injured at the start leaving him matched up on Dylan Grimes for most of the night against the best defense in the league over the last 4 years playing out of position as a genuine KPF.
He should be their 3rd tall playing a linking role, probably somewhat similar to Stephenson and he looks the goods.
Still way down my list of guys given the forward options but he has the profile of a good bench rookie. FWIW I'd save the 12k on Harrison Jones though. They profile to be very similar prospects to me.
Should do. Definitely a more senior player in a similar role.
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I posted a few posts earlier on those points and I’m not saying he will score 60+ just saying I don’t agree with the total lack of belief in him possessing upside. I’m saying he could score in the 60’s and has very good js.
He’ll do better as a forward than a first year player drafted as a small forward because he actually knows how to win the ball and win his own ball. I don’t reckon you can say he has no forward craft at all considering he kicked 4 goals in the practice game, including one from a good quality lead up mark.
He’ll do better as a forward than a first year player drafted as a small forward because he actually knows how to win the ball and win his own ball. I don’t reckon you can say he has no forward craft at all considering he kicked 4 goals in the practice game, including one from a good quality lead up mark.
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