Discussion 2021: Round 1: Teams & In Game Discussion

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Goodwin has his coaching career on the line this season/ he would be the under the most pressure I would think.
Surely your best player/your most influential player/ the captain of the club plays where he can have the most impact.
I can’t see Gawn playing fwd much, maybe just for rests due to less rotations but any coach with a brain plays his biggest asset the majority of the time in the area where he can impact a game the most ???
I don't think putting more development into Jackson is going to save Goodwin's job if they miss finals again. He's never really struck me as a coach with a brain though.
 
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Goodwin has his coaching career on the line this season/ he would be the under the most pressure I would think.
Surely your best player/your most influential player/ the captain of the club plays where he can have the most impact.
I can’t see Gawn playing fwd much, maybe just for rests due to less rotations but any coach with a brain plays his biggest asset the majority of the time in the area where he can impact a game the most ???
Gawn plays everywhere and takes marks everywhere. Apparently he has been working on his goal kicking during pre season. Not sure how much (if any) he has improved, but if he can convert just a few more of his shots on goal, then this will help his SC scoring. I can’t really see him playing as a fwd though.
 
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Blame the coaches for being whiney little muppets. Ever since the game began teams at all levels have been losing players to injury and just went on with it and, in a lot of situations, the short handed team still managed to find a way to win the game.

Yes we have less rotations now and yes the game is quicker, but literally nothing has changed this year to dictate the reintroduction of substitutes, which if I recall correctly was something that ended up being universally panned by players and coaches not so long ago and, in a some notable instances, was a contributing factor in a younger player not coming on and developing in the way they might have.
Agree entirely that this is driven by the coaches....if the AFL wasn't run by a bunch of clowns they turn around and put them in their box. Or at least maybe research it a littlle rather than make something up the day before the season starts. Tail wagging the dog at its finest.
 
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Agree entirely that this is driven by the coaches....if the AFL wasn't run by a bunch of clowns they turn around and put them in their box. Or at least maybe research it a littlle rather than make something up the day before the season starts. Tail wagging the dog at its finest.
I agree with this...clowns to the left of us, jokers to the right.... 😬
 
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At his price, anything less than 80 IMO is a failed selection. The only chance I see for him is finding a role off half-back, minimal chance he overtakes any of the senior guys.
This is the issue with guys that are 240K, every chance they stagnate at about 300K if they dont perform.

In an ideal world we would have enough 120k rookies to not go down that path.
 
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Nah I've got nothing on Cripps.
He's not exactly high up in the food chain in terms of the inner sanctum, but I'm sure he would've mentioned something if he had heard anything. FWIW I do know he is starting Cripps in his SC side, as I was talking to him about it 5mins ago hahaha.
Quality intel 🙂
 
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The Gawn news for those running the one premo ruck strategy doesn't necessarily mean you should drop to a 3 rookie ruck strategy. Grundy is still underpriced and will be spending a lot more time on field, resting up forward for some of the time that he would have been benched in the past.
 
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I'm still a little torn between either starting Gawn or Neale, it'll be one or the other. I think I'll start Gawn with a view to move him to Neale should Gawn's numbers look to drop and Neale looks fit. That way i can also get a better look at where Meek and Hunter both sit scoring and JS wise come round 3.
 
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Goodwin has his coaching career on the line this season/ he would be the under the most pressure I would think.
Surely your best player/your most influential player/ the captain of the club plays where he can have the most impact.
I can’t see Gawn playing fwd much, maybe just for rests due to less rotations but any coach with a brain plays his biggest asset the majority of the time in the area where he can impact a game the most ???
You'd think that but you'd also think that same coach would want to play a stoppage based game plan given Viney, Brayshaw, Petracca and Oliver are his 4 best mids, all elite clearance guys, and Gawn is the best ruck in the game but they were I believe 2nd last for stoppages last year preferring a wide open turnover (their own) style of attack.
 
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You'd think that but you'd also think that same coach would want to play a stoppage based game plan given Viney, Brayshaw, Petracca and Oliver are his 4 best mids, all elite clearance guys, and Gawn is the best ruck in the game but they were I believe 2nd last for stoppages last year preferring a wide open turnover (their own) style of attack.
Could be worse. Our guy has has watched his undersized mids get monstered by all the contending oppo midfields now for 9 years. Still persists with creating stoppages where his gun ruckman decides consistently to drop it at his own feet, whereupon our players bounce off the likes of Dangerfield, Martin, the entirety of GWS and so on. Seems that our million dollar ruckman is coached that way by his you-bewt ruck coach who played CHF. Don't want to go over the soft cap now by getting a specialist coach for our most expensive asset and our 3 other ruckmen we have on our list now do we? Midfielders are what's important. And flankers. It's why we have so few quality KPPs. Not sure why it was so important to drop 7 mil on a ruckman then, but let's not go there.

Fair enough though, we do win a share of stoppages, whereupon we play chip chip and kamikazee handball, allowing the oppo to structure up in their D50. We have to do this because the only way we win stoppages is by taking a forward out and have him play the +1 at The All Important Contest, leaving **** all up front to kick to. So we wait until we get our tall forwards back in the 50, by which stage everyone else has got there and, if the zone isn't completely choca block, the oppo has been able to at least get their mob right where they need them for the coast to coast rebound. Our tall forwards aren't much chop in the first place, by the way and really need one out opportunities but you know. We're all about the clearances. Except when we're playing West Coast I think. Then we're allergic to them.

We have a 7 foot guy who is great running on to the high ball 20 out and rarely misses. So we have him provide the outlet option on the wing and back flank. Time after time after time. Sometimes, we have him camp under the ball where he gets knocked off balance too easily and we just sit it on his head like he's Travis ****ing Cloke and wonder why he can't take the grab.

Our only other talls up front are a novice ruck with modest forward craft and a short, repurposed full back, while our only hope for a gun full forward has been playing centre half back for the last 5 years or so and only gets trialled up forward once the game is lost. Even then, it's a 50/50 shot at being tried. So we rely on medium sized forwards and promptly kick it slow and high to them, where the likes of Fatty McGovern dines out like he's back at his favourite all you can eat shrimp restaurant. Grimes doesn't even bother staging against us. He just stands there while we effectively pick him out for a solid 2 hour stretch.

So the only hope we then have is for a burst of x factor forward brilliance. We had exactly 2 players with that sort of ability. The first was too fat to play full seasons of footy and is now getting moved to the midfield anyway since Buckley and co realise if they don't get some weight around the All Important Contest they might be out of a job by August. Only took 'em 9 years and we'll still play the +1 anyway. You ****ing watch. The other x factor forward was sold to North for a bag of soggy Twisties on account (apparently) of him not having a good connection with his team mates. Like an episode of MAFS for ****s sake. 100 million dollar a year organisation and this is the sort of decision making that goes on.

Meanwhile, Thomas and Hoskin-Elliott can't seem to miss a game. I mean... they do like to go missing for games at a time but we can't drop them, for fear of exposing any of our first year talent to senior action before they've had the mandatory Collingwood Rip 'Er Off the Bone hamstring incident. 9 years ago, we hired Bill Davoren as our fitness guy. AKA, Dr Death. AKA Dr Davorkian. Sure enough we started dropping like flies. After a few years of (and I quote) training them till they break, the hierarchy thought better of the notion and gave the Butcher of Batman Avenue his marching orders. We then promoted his apprentice to the role. Kid had never worked for anyone else. Lo and behold! Nothing changed! Whoda thunk it?

You all know the line about leadership and not being the smartest guy in the room. The unfortunate thing at the Pies is that everyone in our decision structure seems hell bent on living out that ethos at the same time. It just doesn't work like that. Someone's gotta stop being the nuff nuff.

You know what, Melbourne fans? Look... I read DemonBlog during your darkest days and I understand that if there's one thing you guys know more than anyone else about, it's terrible coaching. But you think Goodwin's hopeless? Tell you what... we'll swap. We'll take Goodwin and you can have Buckley. Hell, we'll even throw in Banger and Sando for free.

What's that? Yeah.... Didn't think so
 
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Could be worse. Our guy has has watched his undersized mids get monstered by all the contending oppo midfields now for 9 years. Still persists with creating stoppages where his gun ruckman decides consistently to drop it at his own feet, whereupon our players bounce off the likes of Dangerfield, Martin, the entirety of GWS and so on. Seems that our million dollar ruckman is coached that way by his you-bewt ruck coach who played CHF. Don't want to go over the soft cap now by getting a specialist coach for our most expensive asset and our 3 other ruckmen we have on our list now do we? Midfielders are what's important. And flankers. It's why we have so few quality KPPs. Not sure why it was so important to drop 7 mil on a ruckman then, but let's not go there.

Fair enough though, we do win a share of stoppages, whereupon we play chip chip and kamikazee handball, allowing the oppo to structure up in their D50. We have to do this because the only way we win stoppages is by taking a forward out and have him play the +1 at The All Important Contest, leaving **** all up front to kick to. So we wait until we get our tall forwards back in the 50, by which stage everyone else has got there and, if the zone isn't completely choca block, the oppo has been able to at least get their mob right where they need them for the coast to coast rebound. Our tall forwards aren't much chop in the first place, by the way and really need one out opportunities but you know. We're all about the clearances. Except when we're playing West Coast I think. Then we're allergic to them.

We have a 7 foot guy who is great running on to the high ball 20 out and rarely misses. So we have him provide the outlet option on the wing and back flank. Time after time after time. Sometimes, we have him camp under the ball where he gets knocked off balance too easily and we just sit it on his head like he's Travis ****ing Cloke and wonder why he can't take the grab.

Our only other talls up front are a novice ruck with modest forward craft and a short, repurposed full back, while our only hope for a gun full forward has been playing centre half back for the last 5 years or so and only gets trialled up forward once the game is lost. Even then, it's a 50/50 shot at being tried. So we rely on medium sized forwards and promptly kick it slow and high to them, where the likes of Fatty McGovern dines out like he's back at his favourite all you can eat shrimp restaurant. Grimes doesn't even bother staging against us. He just stands there while we effectively pick him out for a solid 2 hour stretch.

So the only hope we then have is for a burst of x factor forward brilliance. We had exactly 2 players with that sort of ability. The first was too fat to play full seasons of footy and is now getting moved to the midfield anyway since Buckley and co realise if they don't get some weight around the All Important Contest they might be out of a job by August. Only took 'em 9 years and we'll still play the +1 anyway. You ****ing watch. The other x factor forward was sold to North for a bag of soggy Twisties on account (apparently) of him not having a good connection with his team mates. Like an episode of MAFS for ****s sake. 100 million dollar a year organisation and this is the sort of decision making that goes on.

Meanwhile, Thomas and Hoskin-Elliott can't seem to miss a game. I mean... they do like to go missing for games at a time but we can't drop them, for fear of exposing any of our first year talent to senior action before they've had the mandatory Collingwood Rip 'Er Off the Bone hamstring incident. 9 years ago, we hired Bill Davoren as our fitness guy. AKA, Dr Death. AKA Dr Davorkian. Sure enough we started dropping like flies. After a few years of (and I quote) training them till they break, the hierarchy thought better of the notion and gave the Butcher of Batman Avenue his marching orders. We then promoted his apprentice to the role. Kid had never worked for anyone else. Lo and behold! Nothing changed! Whoda thunk it?

You all know the line about leadership and not being the smartest guy in the room. The unfortunate thing at the Pies is that everyone in our decision structure seems hell bent on living out that ethos at the same time. It just doesn't work like that. Someone's gotta stop being the nuff nuff.

You know what, Melbourne fans? Look... I read DemonBlog during your darkest days and I understand that if there's one thing you guys know more than anyone else about, it's terrible coaching. But you think Goodwin's hopeless? Tell you what... we'll swap. We'll take Goodwin and you can have Buckley. Hell, we'll even throw in Banger and Sando for free.

What's that? Yeah.... Didn't think so
I'll be honest, I've completely forgotten how good it was when Roos was the Swans' coach and I didn't hate the coach, it was such a tranquil time to be a supporter.

It genuinely feels like Richmond fans are pretty much the only fans who like their coach, I think the mythical beasts that are Brisbane fans are also pretty happy :)
 
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Ok, did not play last year but this season got my keeper league draft done, FDL looks like finish tomorrow so spent about 30 minutes putting a team together and then turn on a Kayo and see supercoach show is on there and they start talking Lachie Neale possibly going multi-position player later in the year. Is this actually a new thing in Supercoach this year where positions can change for players or these clowns making up stuff ???

No point me picking my team now if the this rule has changed and did not even know.
Is there any other changes to Supercoach rules ?
 

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Ok, did not play last year but this season got my keeper league draft done, FDL looks like finish tomorrow so spent about 30 minutes putting a team together and then turn on a Kayo and see supercoach show is on there and they start talking Lachie Neale possibly going multi-position player later in the year. Is this actually a new thing in Supercoach this year where positions can change for players or these clowns making up stuff ???

No point me picking my team now if the this rule has changed and did not even know.
Is there any other changes to Supercoach rules ?
No. They were talking about AFL Fantasy.
 
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No. They were talking about AFL Fantasy.
But it was a specific Supercoach show with Sueprcoach prices.
They were not talking AFL Fantasy at all in 15 minutes I been watching.
The host just asked if Laird is going to stay DEF/MID all season??
I got to watch more and see if they address this in more detail as a change to the game.
 
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