Position SC 2021: Defender Discussion

Which ‘keepers’ are you planning on starting with?

  • Lloyd

    Votes: 36 30.8%
  • Ryan

    Votes: 5 4.3%
  • Laird

    Votes: 103 88.0%
  • Ridley

    Votes: 40 34.2%
  • Daniel

    Votes: 75 64.1%
  • Stewart

    Votes: 72 61.5%
  • Short

    Votes: 72 61.5%
  • Howe

    Votes: 7 6.0%
  • Docherty

    Votes: 20 17.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 12.8%

  • Total voters
    117
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Is Aliir a straight no , or is it possible a change in position enables him to take more intercept marks?
 
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Quick scan of AFL Tables shows he has only had 7 or more once in his career so don't expect that to happen every week.
Yeah again that's what I was thinking, his meters gained were food numbers and I couldn't work out why he had that poor SC score but saw those clangers
 
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Jeez I'd like to pick Isaac Quaynor this year. Went 82, 87, 79, hten slowed down as we hit our 4 games in 13 days spell, hitting 52 and 28 when getting his leg gashed open by a swan wearing metal spikes. Came back with 92, 64, 101 and 94 before succumbing to the season's fatigue along with his teammates (60 and 59 in finals)

Averaged 60 in his first year and 75 last year. Put out a 73 against the Tiges with 23 possessions at 78% and a half dozen kermits. He's usually a brilliant kick. Got too many midpricers in my squad as it is to be taking him on from the start, but will have him on my watchlist for sure.
 

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I’ve been very keen on Doch all off-season low cost value and if he’s going to fly and be running in for marks big tick just if I start only 4 defenders who goes out or he my d5
S Docherty:
Last 60 matches: 106.55 from 60 (22/60 below 100, 20/60 120+)
Excluding the 13 in RD17 2020= 108.14 from 59

2020:
6 matches with 20 or more disposals
5 of those occurred between RD1-RD5

I could have a good start with doch thoughts
S Docherty:
Avg VS Rich since 2015: 118.6 from 5 (low of 91 and a high of 147, 1/5 below 100, 2/5 120+)
Last 3 VS Rich: 109.33 from 3 (low of 91 and a high of 120, 1/3 below 100, 1/3 120+)
2020 Wins Avg: 95 from 7 (5/7 below 100, 2/7 120+)
2020 Losses Avg: 90.22 from 9 (6/9 below 100, 2/9 120+)
 
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S Docherty:
Last 60 matches: 106.55 from 60 (22/60 below 100, 20/60 120+)
Excluding the 13 in RD17 2020= 108.14 from 59

2020:
6 matches with 20 or more disposals
5 of those occurred between RD1-RD5



S Docherty:
Avg VS Rich since 2015: 118.6 from 5 (low of 91 and a high of 147, 1/5 below 100, 2/5 120+)
Last 3 VS Rich: 109.33 from 3 (low of 91 and a high of 120, 1/3 below 100, 1/3 120+)
2020 Wins Avg: 95 from 7 (5/7 below 100, 2/7 120+)
2020 Losses Avg: 90.22 from 9 (6/9 below 100, 2/9 120+)
Does this mean anything at all or he prone to a fast start type of player with the doch
 
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I'm starting to like Doch over Short too. If you take out his injury affected game last year Doch actually averaged 98, so you're already getting him at a discount. Another full pre-season, more confidence in his body, and I think the reduced rotations and rule changes will suit a guy like him. He can average 115 at his best. Only query is maybe Saad steals some of his kick-ins and takes a bit of Doch's rebound role away from him.
If by full pre-season you mean an ankle issue, recovery from the calf that ended last year and cancer, then yep :)

He's absolutely on my radar though. Short is one I really want to pick, actually wish he'd had a stinker in preseason so I could properly assess him without that recency bias and the fact I just love him as a player!
 
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If by full pre-season you mean an ankle issue, recovery from the calf that ended last year and cancer, then yep :)

He's absolutely on my radar though. Short is one I really want to pick, actually wish he'd had a stinker in preseason so I could properly assess him without that recency bias and the fact I just love him as a player!
Yeah I don't know why I said full pre-season. Thought he'd done most of the training since the New Year.
 
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Think it's almost the POD to not pick Short now. In 35% of teams. I'm still torn on what 4 premo defenders to choose, genuinely tossing up between 6 or 7 of them.
Yes very hard no one not one will pick perfect top 6 defenders on avg or total points for season I like Danial and short because of the rule but doch all 3 of them out middle bye
 
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Think it's almost the POD to not pick Short now. In 35% of teams. I'm still torn on what 4 premo defenders to choose, genuinely tossing up between 6 or 7 of them.
My personal ranking goes...

1. Lloyd - But the worst value as don't see him considerably above 112 this year.
2. Laird - Does have some boom/bust potential but think he's a safe play.
3. Ridley - Holy trinity with intercept, kick-in and rebounder roles.
4. Stewart - Not quite the intercept or kick that Ridley is but similar story.
5. Daniel - Tags are my concern as he's not going to intercept mark too often.
6. Short - Strong upside but the Houli concern is legitimate.
7. Mills - Huge boom/bust, feels like he'll either be 110 or 90. Which to me makes it more sensible to approach as an upgrade decision.
8. Crisp - Durability is huge bonus but Howe back is my concern.

Those are the 95+ guys for me but I also have Doch, Houston and a few others in my sights below that also!
 
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Crisp's disposal has always stopped him from going 100+, guy racks em up like nobodies business but also kicks clangers like nobodies business. If somehow the new rules allow him better kicking efficiency he would be well a truly worth a punt as a top 6 D.
 
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Crisp's disposal has always stopped him from going 100+, guy racks em up like nobodies business but also kicks clangers like nobodies business. If somehow the new rules allow him better kicking efficiency he would be well a truly worth a punt as a top 6 D.
75.4% DE, had less clangers than all of Pendlebury, Bontempelli, Dusty in 2020.

Has made it into my team as D5 for the first time this preseason as part of a last minute restructure.
 
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75.4% DE, had less clangers than all of Pendlebury, Bontempelli, Dusty in 2020.

Has made it into my team as D5 for the first time this preseason as part of a last minute restructure.
I am positive I remember having him a few years ago and his clanger count was huge. Do you happen to have his DE% over 2017-2018-2019?
I remember been stunned as to how he could get 30+ touches every week and always put up 90-95's and the only stat I found that explained it was his clanger count.
 
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My personal ranking goes...

1. Lloyd - But the worst value as don't see him considerably above 112 this year.
2. Laird - Does have some boom/bust potential but think he's a safe play.
3. Ridley - Holy trinity with intercept, kick-in and rebounder roles.
4. Stewart - Not quite the intercept or kick that Ridley is but similar story.
5. Daniel - Tags are my concern as he's not going to intercept mark too often.
6. Short - Strong upside but the Houli concern is legitimate.
7. Mills - Huge boom/bust, feels like he'll either be 110 or 90. Which to me makes it more sensible to approach as an upgrade decision.
8. Crisp - Durability is huge bonus but Howe back is my concern.

Those are the 95+ guys for me but I also have Doch, Houston and a few others in my sights below that also!
Not far off my own thoughts, agree with most of that! But still I think Laird is the only one I'm certain will be in my team :p.
 
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I am positive I remember having him a few years ago and his clanger count was huge. Do you happen to have his DE% over 2017-2018-2019?
I remember being stunned as to how he could get 30+ touches every week and always put up 90-95's and the only stat I found that explained it was his clanger count.
His SC fluctuations are strongly correlated with his DE. I recall him getting high 70s/close to 80% in DE in 2018, but low 70s in 2019.

From watching the game, like I mentioned on the other thread, he's actually an exceptionally accurate and creative kick when given the space in the back half.

But once he shifts into the midfield (which he did in 2019), his DE just gets crushed as they are often rushed/hacked kicks from contests. And it looks like Bucks will keep him in defence despite our clear lack of midfielders and abundance of defenders. Regardless, can see him playing a loose half-back role with Moore/Roughhead handling the talls, and Maynard/Howe shutting down the mid-sized forwards.
 
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