Discussion 2021: Round 1: Teams & In Game Discussion
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Honestly ?
I have all 3 rookie Rucks.
I still have 13 "real" premiums + Fantasia & Ziebell so 7 rookies onfield (1-3-2-1) so I guess I am backing my 2 onfield rookie Rucks + 2 forward rookies & Danger v Grundy.
I don't have Neale , so the closest I have to Gawn is Macrae , Merrett , Kelly.
Can they match Gawn ? History probably says no , after 2 games and queries on Rucks , does Gawn suddenly drop to a 100-105 player ?
I guess if all Rucks drop though the rookies will also and might be getting 50-60 instead of 75-80.
I guess if you still think Gawn is capable of 150+ over the next 6 rounds then the "safe (smart)" option is Gawn + 2 rookie Rucks.
If Flynn , Hunter , Meek were all guaranteed 6-8 games to start with I think they are definitely all worth doing.
Maybe by Round 3 we have more information on Ryder/Marshall , if Hunter vanishes he becomes a correction trade either to a F/R or S Martin could very well be a option if he scores well again next round.
People that start Gawn and Grundy will they really pull the trigger on them both if they are 100 ppg and the next options are 80-90 ppg.
Lot of money tied up whereas their may be more mids scoring 115+
I guess at the end of the day the decision needs to be made whether people still think Gawn & Grundy are # 1 & 2 or if the gap significantly closes and other options are viable , can we make that judgement after 2 rounds though.
Obviously we probably have 10-15 premium mids that all could work , whereas the rucks could be limited to 2 or will they ?
I have all 3 rookie Rucks.
I still have 13 "real" premiums + Fantasia & Ziebell so 7 rookies onfield (1-3-2-1) so I guess I am backing my 2 onfield rookie Rucks + 2 forward rookies & Danger v Grundy.
I don't have Neale , so the closest I have to Gawn is Macrae , Merrett , Kelly.
Can they match Gawn ? History probably says no , after 2 games and queries on Rucks , does Gawn suddenly drop to a 100-105 player ?
I guess if all Rucks drop though the rookies will also and might be getting 50-60 instead of 75-80.
I guess if you still think Gawn is capable of 150+ over the next 6 rounds then the "safe (smart)" option is Gawn + 2 rookie Rucks.
If Flynn , Hunter , Meek were all guaranteed 6-8 games to start with I think they are definitely all worth doing.
Maybe by Round 3 we have more information on Ryder/Marshall , if Hunter vanishes he becomes a correction trade either to a F/R or S Martin could very well be a option if he scores well again next round.
People that start Gawn and Grundy will they really pull the trigger on them both if they are 100 ppg and the next options are 80-90 ppg.
Lot of money tied up whereas their may be more mids scoring 115+
I guess at the end of the day the decision needs to be made whether people still think Gawn & Grundy are # 1 & 2 or if the gap significantly closes and other options are viable , can we make that judgement after 2 rounds though.
Obviously we probably have 10-15 premium mids that all could work , whereas the rucks could be limited to 2 or will they ?
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interesting times indeed, I am also running 3 rookie rucks. By no means is the Ruck debate anywhere settled, but its crunch time, gotta back a plan.
What i am seeing is outside players are scoring well with the fee flowing game style. Fewer stoppages are hurting the spine players.
Agile, well built collectors and good users with a good tank are being rewarded.
TOG is going to be huge this year.
interesting times indeed, I am also running 3 rookie rucks. By no means is the Ruck debate anywhere settled, but its crunch time, gotta back a plan.
What i am seeing is outside players are scoring well with the fee flowing game style. Fewer stoppages are hurting the spine players.
Agile, well built collectors and good users with a good tank are being rewarded.
TOG is going to be huge this year.
Thought tonight's game both teams at least tried to slow down the Kamikaze pinball style a bit.
Poor decision making and skill errors continued to hurt Collingwood , so nothing has changed in that area over summer.
Well and good trying to playing on quickly but if teams can't kick well they are just going to turn it over and get hurt on the rebound.
Think they will revert back to backwards/sideways play to try and correct soon.
Certainly less congestion so far which is always a good thing.
As for the 3 rookie Rucks , I have my fingers crossed , just have to see what happens in the next 2 rounds and if we need a exit strategy try and work something out.
Poor decision making and skill errors continued to hurt Collingwood , so nothing has changed in that area over summer.
Well and good trying to playing on quickly but if teams can't kick well they are just going to turn it over and get hurt on the rebound.
Think they will revert back to backwards/sideways play to try and correct soon.
Certainly less congestion so far which is always a good thing.
As for the 3 rookie Rucks , I have my fingers crossed , just have to see what happens in the next 2 rounds and if we need a exit strategy try and work something out.
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Good night for premos, bad for rooks. Think most have scott given no crozier and his role, but may have been conned into McNeil. He was good in the praccy (kicked 2 I think), AAMI was meh. Skills let him down tonight, pressure seemed okay though. Fingers crossed he gets another chance, mid bench could be under pressure early.
The pinball game was certainly evident early and the doggies were so much better at it.
The woods slowed it down but the damage was done.
All games so far have started fast, its gonna be a game of attrition, and the biggest tank wins.
4th qtr from tonights game was slow, suited Gawn and pumped his stats. Daniel also ate the hot chips when the game was cooked.
Agree coach correction on the cards but gee the games are fun to watch so far. Enjoyed both.
The woods slowed it down but the damage was done.
All games so far have started fast, its gonna be a game of attrition, and the biggest tank wins.
4th qtr from tonights game was slow, suited Gawn and pumped his stats. Daniel also ate the hot chips when the game was cooked.
Agree coach correction on the cards but gee the games are fun to watch so far. Enjoyed both.
Collingwood draftee Finlay Macrae impressed through the midfield, while draft prospect Nick Daicos dazzled at half-back.
The son of Pies legend Peter and younger brother of current midfielder Josh, Nick is expected to play several VFL games for the Pies in a season where the club could be forced to match a bid inside the top three for his services.
David King has unloaded on Grundy, I personally think Grundy will respond/ bounce back next week :-
David King bluntly ripped into Grundy following Friday’s underwhelming performance against the Bulldogs, calling on the ruckman to prove his worth.
The 26-year-old is reportedly in the first season of a mammoth seven-year deal with the Magpies, estimated to work $1 million per year.
“If you’re going to pay someone a million dollars a year, they’ve got to be the difference in the game. You can’t be in question,” King said on Fox Footy.
“He was beaten tonight and you can get beaten game-to-game, but this is on watch now. Tonight they were humbled and I think it starts at the coalface.
“You’ve got to challenge your best players to make a difference and Brodie Grundy, that salary cap squeeze we spoke about last year, it’s largely because of contracts like that.
David King bluntly ripped into Grundy following Friday’s underwhelming performance against the Bulldogs, calling on the ruckman to prove his worth.
The 26-year-old is reportedly in the first season of a mammoth seven-year deal with the Magpies, estimated to work $1 million per year.
“If you’re going to pay someone a million dollars a year, they’ve got to be the difference in the game. You can’t be in question,” King said on Fox Footy.
“He was beaten tonight and you can get beaten game-to-game, but this is on watch now. Tonight they were humbled and I think it starts at the coalface.
“You’ve got to challenge your best players to make a difference and Brodie Grundy, that salary cap squeeze we spoke about last year, it’s largely because of contracts like that.
Some quick thoughts on the game...
General - Was a decent game, Dogs dominated but couldn't score, Pies backs waxed. So basically it was 2019 all over again. Felt a higher quality game than the night before, less fatigue towards the end and both teams actually tackling but still a very open contest. Through two games it's been noticeable how less physical the game has become already. Basically feels like preseason games which is probably fair given normally it would be!
Biggest takeaway was yet again the stoppage count was really low. I don't know when a trend becomes the norm but I'm personally there that this is going to be a thing this year.
Dogs - Dominated the middle, Martin kept Grundy honest and Grundy was so bad that he looked like he was taking over the Treloar gig of give it to the opponents... Their F50 entries were mostly bad and their forwards are still very hit and miss but they've got to be happy.
Macrae - Everywhere, ratio felt brutal to me but to be honest I think most of the ratios have felt harsh so far, even Dusty to be honest. Happy with the pick.
Smith - Pure wing and just everywhere, they played his wing all night, not sure if that was intentional or a coincidence but he made the most of it.
Hunter - High HF role for mine, supports the preseason when he was clearly also in that role. Doesn't slow him down, his more normal ratio seems to be back after last year.
Daniel - Great ability to just keep ticking the score over and his ratio was godly given he basically had nothing but cheap uncontested touches tonight. He was very good defensively though, don't want to sell him short. Did what you'd hope.
Dunkley - Role was very solid, didn't notice him forward much at all. Shame he didn't really go on with his first quarter, just seemed to keep it ticking over after a monster start but played very well. Happy with the pick.
Williams - Was on my radar but I don't have the balls. No reason he can't do this all year for mine, I mean not 121 level but 100+ he's capable. Clearly the other guy to Daniel.
Libba - Had a very strong role, arguably the best role of all the Dogs for traditional SC.
Bont - Not his best game but looks strong. Did rot forward for more than I'd hope if I picked him but he can score.
English - Played as basically a high half forward, enjoyed the role. Was better in the contest and looks a bit stronger. Hard to see him being consistent in that role though but probably not that different to Marshall last year.
Martin - Really solid game, ratio porn going on the back of his clearance work, won't face someone giving as little effort as Grundy did very often though and did struggle to get involved outside the contest. That midfield is going to give every hitout a chance though. Felt like a high end output from him.
Treloar - Played the other wing most of the night. Was solid but not great. Don't love the role for him for fantasy purposes but given no preseason he could well grow into it. Didn't help the ball just lived on Smith's wing.
Vandermeer - Played an absolute blinder, hurts McNeil even more than McNeil did.
Dale - Grab him in your deeper draft leagues, played a really nice rebounding defensive role.
Scott - Was really solid, basically won all his contests and I didn't see him beaten which is what you want. Love his confidence to back himself and run forward, will get better at getting some cheap touches. Confirmed my thoughts he's one of the better rookies.
McNeil - Stinker, just struggled with the pace, to be fair the Pies have one of the quickest and most well disciplined backlines, he was kind of unlucky that every rushed kick/handball found a Pie and was thus a clanger because he actually did a good job winning the ball to start it. Job will certainly be under fire though which was always his risk along with the poor role.
Pies - They were pretty ordinary. Looked like a team who traded out a bunch of senior players and then rushed a bunch of guys on the back of no season but more worryingly, they looked absolutely heartless. Given their o***eason issues it's hard to not link the whole culling players and stabbing them in the media at every chance with the listlessness they showed tonight. Really concerning game.
Pendles - He was alright, the amount of fumbles and miskicks were definitely a concern though given it's Pendles, he hasn't done that more than a couple of games in his career. Still he was their best, and only, midfielder.
Crisp - He was solid, he seemed to push onto a wing a bit at times to me, given the supply down back I'd argue basically all their defenders were a bit underwhelming and the too many chefs theory was definitely at play.
Maynard - Jumped out to a ridiculous ratio and nothing he did after that seemed to ever claw it back so he ended very favourably. Was really solid though and had a good game, just hard to make any case that he deserved to have that ratio compared to Macrae, Smith, Dunkley or Libba on a side that dominated other than the quirks of SC! Even then, they had ridiculous supply and the DT level is a worry.
Noble - Played back in defense a lot tonight after a pure wing role in the o***eason.
Grundy - Was awful. Looked like the same player as end of last year that we all assumed was injured, think he thought he was traded to the Dogs also this o***eason with the silver service he gave their mids. No follow up efforts, no multiple contests around the ground, rarely got behind the ball to intercept. Honestly not sure if it was him or the game but really Pittonet is the only ruck so far who has actually managed to get behind the play consistently. Grundy dogged it tonight, was a really bad game. I've already structured up for him to go out come next week unless something changes. More to do with how bad he looked than the rule change impacts as I'm targeting Gawn with him now but the combination of how bad the rucks have scored into Grundy has made what should be my last tinker with Gawn out...
Moore - Great game by him.
Cox - He was actually really good, much better than Grundy around the ground and even probably in the ruck. Not saying he's a threat to his spot or anything but if Grundy keeps that effort level up he's going to need a kick up the butt...
Howe - Started like a house on fire and then ran out of steam completely. Another who looked like a man with a very limited preseason. Lot of fatigue moments as the game went on.
Adams - Same as Howe, wasn't terrible in the first but got worse as it went on and just never really got on top of the game. I'd say downgrade target but the Pies looked so bad that's even questionable.
De Goey - There's a trend here... but another with no preseason who was pretty good in the first quarter and a half and then just faded to oblivion. Something that has stood out to me is that the guys on limited preseasons are having a really hard time of it through two games.
Sier - Did nothing after the first quarter either.
Daicos - What an absolute stinker of a game. Didn't even seem to be anything wrong with his role he just fumbled everything and then couldn't get near it.
Henry - He did well to score what he did given the Pies midfield efforts. Bit hard to blame the guy at the end of the chain when the whole chain has melted before it got to your turn. Be interesting to see what the Pies do at the selection table this week and whether they've even got anyone to bring in.
General - Was a decent game, Dogs dominated but couldn't score, Pies backs waxed. So basically it was 2019 all over again. Felt a higher quality game than the night before, less fatigue towards the end and both teams actually tackling but still a very open contest. Through two games it's been noticeable how less physical the game has become already. Basically feels like preseason games which is probably fair given normally it would be!
Biggest takeaway was yet again the stoppage count was really low. I don't know when a trend becomes the norm but I'm personally there that this is going to be a thing this year.
Dogs - Dominated the middle, Martin kept Grundy honest and Grundy was so bad that he looked like he was taking over the Treloar gig of give it to the opponents... Their F50 entries were mostly bad and their forwards are still very hit and miss but they've got to be happy.
Macrae - Everywhere, ratio felt brutal to me but to be honest I think most of the ratios have felt harsh so far, even Dusty to be honest. Happy with the pick.
Smith - Pure wing and just everywhere, they played his wing all night, not sure if that was intentional or a coincidence but he made the most of it.
Hunter - High HF role for mine, supports the preseason when he was clearly also in that role. Doesn't slow him down, his more normal ratio seems to be back after last year.
Daniel - Great ability to just keep ticking the score over and his ratio was godly given he basically had nothing but cheap uncontested touches tonight. He was very good defensively though, don't want to sell him short. Did what you'd hope.
Dunkley - Role was very solid, didn't notice him forward much at all. Shame he didn't really go on with his first quarter, just seemed to keep it ticking over after a monster start but played very well. Happy with the pick.
Williams - Was on my radar but I don't have the balls. No reason he can't do this all year for mine, I mean not 121 level but 100+ he's capable. Clearly the other guy to Daniel.
Libba - Had a very strong role, arguably the best role of all the Dogs for traditional SC.
Bont - Not his best game but looks strong. Did rot forward for more than I'd hope if I picked him but he can score.
English - Played as basically a high half forward, enjoyed the role. Was better in the contest and looks a bit stronger. Hard to see him being consistent in that role though but probably not that different to Marshall last year.
Martin - Really solid game, ratio porn going on the back of his clearance work, won't face someone giving as little effort as Grundy did very often though and did struggle to get involved outside the contest. That midfield is going to give every hitout a chance though. Felt like a high end output from him.
Treloar - Played the other wing most of the night. Was solid but not great. Don't love the role for him for fantasy purposes but given no preseason he could well grow into it. Didn't help the ball just lived on Smith's wing.
Vandermeer - Played an absolute blinder, hurts McNeil even more than McNeil did.
Dale - Grab him in your deeper draft leagues, played a really nice rebounding defensive role.
Scott - Was really solid, basically won all his contests and I didn't see him beaten which is what you want. Love his confidence to back himself and run forward, will get better at getting some cheap touches. Confirmed my thoughts he's one of the better rookies.
McNeil - Stinker, just struggled with the pace, to be fair the Pies have one of the quickest and most well disciplined backlines, he was kind of unlucky that every rushed kick/handball found a Pie and was thus a clanger because he actually did a good job winning the ball to start it. Job will certainly be under fire though which was always his risk along with the poor role.
Pies - They were pretty ordinary. Looked like a team who traded out a bunch of senior players and then rushed a bunch of guys on the back of no season but more worryingly, they looked absolutely heartless. Given their o***eason issues it's hard to not link the whole culling players and stabbing them in the media at every chance with the listlessness they showed tonight. Really concerning game.
Pendles - He was alright, the amount of fumbles and miskicks were definitely a concern though given it's Pendles, he hasn't done that more than a couple of games in his career. Still he was their best, and only, midfielder.
Crisp - He was solid, he seemed to push onto a wing a bit at times to me, given the supply down back I'd argue basically all their defenders were a bit underwhelming and the too many chefs theory was definitely at play.
Maynard - Jumped out to a ridiculous ratio and nothing he did after that seemed to ever claw it back so he ended very favourably. Was really solid though and had a good game, just hard to make any case that he deserved to have that ratio compared to Macrae, Smith, Dunkley or Libba on a side that dominated other than the quirks of SC! Even then, they had ridiculous supply and the DT level is a worry.
Noble - Played back in defense a lot tonight after a pure wing role in the o***eason.
Grundy - Was awful. Looked like the same player as end of last year that we all assumed was injured, think he thought he was traded to the Dogs also this o***eason with the silver service he gave their mids. No follow up efforts, no multiple contests around the ground, rarely got behind the ball to intercept. Honestly not sure if it was him or the game but really Pittonet is the only ruck so far who has actually managed to get behind the play consistently. Grundy dogged it tonight, was a really bad game. I've already structured up for him to go out come next week unless something changes. More to do with how bad he looked than the rule change impacts as I'm targeting Gawn with him now but the combination of how bad the rucks have scored into Grundy has made what should be my last tinker with Gawn out...
Moore - Great game by him.
Cox - He was actually really good, much better than Grundy around the ground and even probably in the ruck. Not saying he's a threat to his spot or anything but if Grundy keeps that effort level up he's going to need a kick up the butt...
Howe - Started like a house on fire and then ran out of steam completely. Another who looked like a man with a very limited preseason. Lot of fatigue moments as the game went on.
Adams - Same as Howe, wasn't terrible in the first but got worse as it went on and just never really got on top of the game. I'd say downgrade target but the Pies looked so bad that's even questionable.
De Goey - There's a trend here... but another with no preseason who was pretty good in the first quarter and a half and then just faded to oblivion. Something that has stood out to me is that the guys on limited preseasons are having a really hard time of it through two games.
Sier - Did nothing after the first quarter either.
Daicos - What an absolute stinker of a game. Didn't even seem to be anything wrong with his role he just fumbled everything and then couldn't get near it.
Henry - He did well to score what he did given the Pies midfield efforts. Bit hard to blame the guy at the end of the chain when the whole chain has melted before it got to your turn. Be interesting to see what the Pies do at the selection table this week and whether they've even got anyone to bring in.