Discussion 2021: Round 1: Teams & In Game Discussion
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Was reading over that the magpie nest.
Sums up the sentiment at the club.
“The Buckley era is a lost decade. A massive price to pay for our outdated obsession with one person. 10 minutes into the game Buckley worked out that we couldn’t win, so it was time to defend and hope the margin wasn’t too great. Congrats again Bucks. Another ‘honourable loss’ never at any point were they a winning chance. The margin is meaningless. The coaching is ultra defensive, and as a result, the brand of football is absolutely terrible to watch. At their prior clubs Howe & Roughead played multiple roles, now they are marked as stay at home defenders, used to help keep losing margins down. Collingwood’s brand of football is irrelevant in 2021. We would need to risk a blowout loss to win well and the coach would never allow that unless all mathematical hope is lost. Nothing will change at this club until Buckley is removed. It needs to happen now. Terrible to watch.”
Club is in an absolute mess and it’s time to play the young kids to see who shines. Bottom 4 side this year.
Couple of real good MIDS off contract ant the end of the year, but the club has millions tied up in defensive players and small forward who will impersonate a MID for the year. And then you have Grundy good for SC but a tap ruck is as only as good as the midfield that surround him.
After last year’s sabotage of certain players, who wants to join Collingwood FC.
Sums up the sentiment at the club.
“The Buckley era is a lost decade. A massive price to pay for our outdated obsession with one person. 10 minutes into the game Buckley worked out that we couldn’t win, so it was time to defend and hope the margin wasn’t too great. Congrats again Bucks. Another ‘honourable loss’ never at any point were they a winning chance. The margin is meaningless. The coaching is ultra defensive, and as a result, the brand of football is absolutely terrible to watch. At their prior clubs Howe & Roughead played multiple roles, now they are marked as stay at home defenders, used to help keep losing margins down. Collingwood’s brand of football is irrelevant in 2021. We would need to risk a blowout loss to win well and the coach would never allow that unless all mathematical hope is lost. Nothing will change at this club until Buckley is removed. It needs to happen now. Terrible to watch.”
Club is in an absolute mess and it’s time to play the young kids to see who shines. Bottom 4 side this year.
Couple of real good MIDS off contract ant the end of the year, but the club has millions tied up in defensive players and small forward who will impersonate a MID for the year. And then you have Grundy good for SC but a tap ruck is as only as good as the midfield that surround him.
After last year’s sabotage of certain players, who wants to join Collingwood FC.
Thought I'd share my thoughts on games here. Haven't watched one minute of Saturdays games yet, will watch over the next couple of days and post in here too.
Williams – Arguably the most improved player in the comp in the last 18 months. Didn’t have the balls to pick him, but has the perfect hybrid rebound/intercept role. Think he can easily be a Top 10-15ish guy this year.
Smith – Outstanding on a wing, kept popping up everywhere. Incredible workrate, seems to have taken the role in his stride.
Daniel- Was quiet early but took almost all the kickouts. Safe option with an exceptionally good floor. Incredibly clean skills.
Martin – Looks a lot fitter than last year, and worked very well with English in negating Grundy.
Dunkley – Looks to be 3rd/4th in line for mid time, but still managed to find a heap of the ball. Will only take an injury to someone ahead of him to absolutely explode.
Bontempelli – Seems to be the one most sacrificed to fit everyone’s midfield time. Spent a fair bit of time forward
Lipinski – Shame he’s lost DPP, looks to have improved once again over the off season. Unfortunately now irrelevant.
Scott – Did some nice things early, then faded. Should hold his spot for the next couple weeks at least.
Macrae – These new rules suit him perfectly, if keeps the role will be the number 1 mid and possibly scorer this year imo. His workrate and ability to link up in the spread from contest is close to the best in the league. Has been locked at M1 for me since SC opened.
Treloar – Didn’t really notice him in the second half, possibly a bit underdone after an interrupted preseason.
Vandermeer – A lot of Zak Butters about him. Enormous pressure and made things happen every time he went near it. Copped a knock in the 3rd quarter and was quieter after that, but prior was on track for 120-130. Play local footy with his cousins with the same surname, so it's nice to see him doing so well.
McNeil – Looked a bit off the pace, and was caught holding the ball a couple of times. May struggle to get named next week.
Dale – Looked really nice across HB, in draft leagues could be a decent waiver pickup.
Moore – Immense. By far the Pies best, withstood an enormous volume of footy inside the defensive 50 in addition to rebounding very well.
Howe – Looked assured in his return from the knee injury. Personally wouldn’t pick him but think he’ll be Top 10-15 at the end of the year.
Crisp – Played a mix of wing/HB/inside mid. Think the role is there for him to be a good pick, the way they got smashed in the midfield didn’t help his SC score at all.
Maynard – Solid as ever down back, took kickouts. Top 5-10 Defender most likely.
De Goey – Personally wouldn’t pick him, but if he kicked straight the 69 could have been 100.
Noble – Played predominately on a wing. Nice draft selection.
Grundy – Big warning signs I feel, with him I don’t think it’s a case of the lower stoppages. Was totally outworked by Martin/English, and showed the same tiredness/sluggishness of last year. Big opportunity next week against Pitto, but at this stage I’m glad I went Flynn R2 instead.
Adams – Looked really underdone, another example of players struggling off limited preseasons.
Pendlebury – One of the worst games I’ve ever seen him play, midfield got smashed, yet still scored 102. From that aspect, upside is there I guess.
Henry/Ruscoe – Absolutely passengers/liabilities. Was at the game and Pies supporters were getting stuck into Henry which I thought was quite stiff. Henry probably playing twos next week.
Williams – Arguably the most improved player in the comp in the last 18 months. Didn’t have the balls to pick him, but has the perfect hybrid rebound/intercept role. Think he can easily be a Top 10-15ish guy this year.
Smith – Outstanding on a wing, kept popping up everywhere. Incredible workrate, seems to have taken the role in his stride.
Daniel- Was quiet early but took almost all the kickouts. Safe option with an exceptionally good floor. Incredibly clean skills.
Martin – Looks a lot fitter than last year, and worked very well with English in negating Grundy.
Dunkley – Looks to be 3rd/4th in line for mid time, but still managed to find a heap of the ball. Will only take an injury to someone ahead of him to absolutely explode.
Bontempelli – Seems to be the one most sacrificed to fit everyone’s midfield time. Spent a fair bit of time forward
Lipinski – Shame he’s lost DPP, looks to have improved once again over the off season. Unfortunately now irrelevant.
Scott – Did some nice things early, then faded. Should hold his spot for the next couple weeks at least.
Macrae – These new rules suit him perfectly, if keeps the role will be the number 1 mid and possibly scorer this year imo. His workrate and ability to link up in the spread from contest is close to the best in the league. Has been locked at M1 for me since SC opened.
Treloar – Didn’t really notice him in the second half, possibly a bit underdone after an interrupted preseason.
Vandermeer – A lot of Zak Butters about him. Enormous pressure and made things happen every time he went near it. Copped a knock in the 3rd quarter and was quieter after that, but prior was on track for 120-130. Play local footy with his cousins with the same surname, so it's nice to see him doing so well.
McNeil – Looked a bit off the pace, and was caught holding the ball a couple of times. May struggle to get named next week.
Dale – Looked really nice across HB, in draft leagues could be a decent waiver pickup.
Moore – Immense. By far the Pies best, withstood an enormous volume of footy inside the defensive 50 in addition to rebounding very well.
Howe – Looked assured in his return from the knee injury. Personally wouldn’t pick him but think he’ll be Top 10-15 at the end of the year.
Crisp – Played a mix of wing/HB/inside mid. Think the role is there for him to be a good pick, the way they got smashed in the midfield didn’t help his SC score at all.
Maynard – Solid as ever down back, took kickouts. Top 5-10 Defender most likely.
De Goey – Personally wouldn’t pick him, but if he kicked straight the 69 could have been 100.
Noble – Played predominately on a wing. Nice draft selection.
Grundy – Big warning signs I feel, with him I don’t think it’s a case of the lower stoppages. Was totally outworked by Martin/English, and showed the same tiredness/sluggishness of last year. Big opportunity next week against Pitto, but at this stage I’m glad I went Flynn R2 instead.
Adams – Looked really underdone, another example of players struggling off limited preseasons.
Pendlebury – One of the worst games I’ve ever seen him play, midfield got smashed, yet still scored 102. From that aspect, upside is there I guess.
Henry/Ruscoe – Absolutely passengers/liabilities. Was at the game and Pies supporters were getting stuck into Henry which I thought was quite stiff. Henry probably playing twos next week.
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Yeah really solid team and doesn't have Danger/Rowell to worry about this week unlike most - but he did have two DNP's in his lineup and has Fullarton at R3 instead of Meek/Hunter who I think will improve on their round 1 scores and outperform Fullarton.
He also has Sharp on the pine - lights looked a bit bright for the young fella, did some nice things but had 4 clangers and I think Cockatoo (if he ever gets back) will slot in for him - better options. So not completely smooth sailing but would rather be where he is then where I am
He also has Sharp on the pine - lights looked a bit bright for the young fella, did some nice things but had 4 clangers and I think Cockatoo (if he ever gets back) will slot in for him - better options. So not completely smooth sailing but would rather be where he is then where I am
So, it's been one round, but Champion Data provided The Age with some data on how this round was different to past seasons.
The key stats were:
Tackles down 13%
Contested Possessions down 5%
Stoppages down 16%
These are all key to SC scoring, but the rucks will battle to replicate their 2019 numbers if those round 1 numbers continue. In 2019, Gawn obtained 30% of his points from hit outs to advantage and 15% from ground ball gets. Not great news with 16% less stoppages.
The key stats were:
Tackles down 13%
Contested Possessions down 5%
Stoppages down 16%
These are all key to SC scoring, but the rucks will battle to replicate their 2019 numbers if those round 1 numbers continue. In 2019, Gawn obtained 30% of his points from hit outs to advantage and 15% from ground ball gets. Not great news with 16% less stoppages.