Position 2021: Ruck Discussion
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I think that is true, and that is the only reason I started Fullarton FWD as it set up bail out options in the case that Gawndy went sour 
Gawny comes across as a guy who is very aware of his own performance and is driven to succeed. I remember years ago when he said in an interview something along the lines of 'I want to be the best ruckman in the AFL' and within 12 months he was.
I think he said he wants a Brownlow too.
If this bloke recognises his performance wasn't up to scratch, he is going to do everything and more to remedy this. I don't think he will average anything close to last year (due to fewer stoppages), but this is a great sign.
I think he said he wants a Brownlow too.
If this bloke recognises his performance wasn't up to scratch, he is going to do everything and more to remedy this. I don't think he will average anything close to last year (due to fewer stoppages), but this is a great sign.
I think you gotta wait it out a few more weeks Herbie... knowing how many ruck trades you made last season.
If Meek can pull out 60s rucking against non-Gawn rucks then he can hold R2 with Flynn R1 and you're not losing anything to Gawndy teams, unless Gawn starts averaging 150+ (unlikely imo).
Hunter will probably need a swap, but that may just be a rookie correction - you don't go from him to a mid-pricer unless Meek is a liability on field.
Sure, there aren't options straight away. But if Flynn and Meek hold ok on field scoring until R6 maybe then you go Meek -> Treacy (150k) and something like Fantasia to one of Gawn/Grundy.
I think we need to make sure our only ruck trades are to bring in Gawn/Grundy, otherwise we're onto the merry-go-round again.
If Meek can pull out 60s rucking against non-Gawn rucks then he can hold R2 with Flynn R1 and you're not losing anything to Gawndy teams, unless Gawn starts averaging 150+ (unlikely imo).
Hunter will probably need a swap, but that may just be a rookie correction - you don't go from him to a mid-pricer unless Meek is a liability on field.
Sure, there aren't options straight away. But if Flynn and Meek hold ok on field scoring until R6 maybe then you go Meek -> Treacy (150k) and something like Fantasia to one of Gawn/Grundy.
I think we need to make sure our only ruck trades are to bring in Gawn/Grundy, otherwise we're onto the merry-go-round again.
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I think you have started to hit on what the issues are. If you started Grawndy you have made a calculated decision to go with 2 best rucks all year, so stay the course. If you jump off now based on 1 round of data, then you are simply handing a 1-2 trade head start to everyone who started differently. If things go sour for the rookie rucks, then you are in the same hole as them but WORSE as you are 2 trades down.
Similarly, if you went Fleekter then you are in for as long as you can ride the wave. When the wave stops you look at what your options are and go from there, but you are banking on at least 6 weeks and 4 price movements to be ahead.
As a Grawndy owner, I am holding and banking on them coming good. Trading now just seems like the worst decision possible.
Similarly, if you went Fleekter then you are in for as long as you can ride the wave. When the wave stops you look at what your options are and go from there, but you are banking on at least 6 weeks and 4 price movements to be ahead.
As a Grawndy owner, I am holding and banking on them coming good. Trading now just seems like the worst decision possible.
Yes, CCJ is looking like having good JS (providing he performs) as Dimma likes the 2 ruck setup and Chol hasn't performed, he's priced at 161k so not as good a downgrade target as Treacy.
When Hunter gets dropped Fullarton will go in as cover (of course if he's dropped too then I might have to no cover for a couple of rounds)
When Hunter gets dropped Fullarton will go in as cover (of course if he's dropped too then I might have to no cover for a couple of rounds)
I guess if the ~15% reduction in stoppages translates to a similar reduction in points for rucks, Marshall could land somewhere around a 90-92ppg average. Not terrible and the ruck cover helps, but also has the potential to fall out of the top 6 forwards depending on how that group play out.
If ruck scoring normalises out a little (even if not all the way) I agree he looks handy, but if the scoring stays low then I'd be hesitant to add an additional ruck to my team.
If ruck scoring normalises out a little (even if not all the way) I agree he looks handy, but if the scoring stays low then I'd be hesitant to add an additional ruck to my team.
I am just getting all excited and wishing I knew the Round 2 ruck scores now 😀
It could all very well change again , in the meantime
Flynn ✓ (so far)
Meek still has the Darcy factor
Hunter has the Marshall/Ryder factor
Fullarton has the McStay factor , I essentially view him as a bench option
The worry for me is that ROB scored 55 , so it's hard to see Hunter/Meek getting 60+
Hickey/Martin COULD offer a bandaid solution IF they score well again in Round 2.
If that option is not available/taken then personally I think Meek at R2 (if he plays) could end up in a world of pain.
You are then probably waiting 6-8 before making upgrades , how much money are they making (if still playing) if they are scoring 40-50's
The other thing I have noticed is everyone seems just to focus on Gawn & Grundy (possibly too much) , especially considering Goldstein scored 109 , maybe the third G should be considered more.
But obviously I can't predict Round 2 Ruck scores so just need to sit tight and wait (and hopefully have a Round 3 ruck plan in place if need be , which could involve Dangermouse , but then if I don't trade him Round 2 , seems pointless trading him in Round 3)
Lycett with a 94 is interesting too.
It could all very well change again , in the meantime
Flynn ✓ (so far)
Meek still has the Darcy factor
Hunter has the Marshall/Ryder factor
Fullarton has the McStay factor , I essentially view him as a bench option
The worry for me is that ROB scored 55 , so it's hard to see Hunter/Meek getting 60+
Hickey/Martin COULD offer a bandaid solution IF they score well again in Round 2.
If that option is not available/taken then personally I think Meek at R2 (if he plays) could end up in a world of pain.
You are then probably waiting 6-8 before making upgrades , how much money are they making (if still playing) if they are scoring 40-50's
The other thing I have noticed is everyone seems just to focus on Gawn & Grundy (possibly too much) , especially considering Goldstein scored 109 , maybe the third G should be considered more.
But obviously I can't predict Round 2 Ruck scores so just need to sit tight and wait (and hopefully have a Round 3 ruck plan in place if need be , which could involve Dangermouse , but then if I don't trade him Round 2 , seems pointless trading him in Round 3)
Lycett with a 94 is interesting too.
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Its a super interesting conversation with pro's and con's for keeping or trading so really enjoying everyone's thoughts
For me I am lot more concerned with Grundy than Gawn. I think this morning Gawn said that he was aware of his poor performance in the first half and given he is conscious about it he is looking to rectify it.
If Buckleys comments yesterday are anything at all they would be reflected in this weeks scoring/trends I would have thought. IF we all of a sudden see Cox attending more CBA and/or the introduction of Cameron for example, I think it would send a pretty clear message as to the thoughts of the coach (ignoring if they are right or wrong) and for me it would force my hand as the experimentation would be too much for a 650k premium.
I normally hate trading premiums this early in the season, especially as trades are gold later on but if Grundy can't score well this week against Cripps n co then surely a restructure should be considered. For those of you who have all the "must have" rookies then I don't see the problem in this approach, it gets more problematic if you missed out on someone and need to get additional people in (whilst fixing Rowell and/or Dangerfield problems)
For me I am lot more concerned with Grundy than Gawn. I think this morning Gawn said that he was aware of his poor performance in the first half and given he is conscious about it he is looking to rectify it.
If Buckleys comments yesterday are anything at all they would be reflected in this weeks scoring/trends I would have thought. IF we all of a sudden see Cox attending more CBA and/or the introduction of Cameron for example, I think it would send a pretty clear message as to the thoughts of the coach (ignoring if they are right or wrong) and for me it would force my hand as the experimentation would be too much for a 650k premium.
I normally hate trading premiums this early in the season, especially as trades are gold later on but if Grundy can't score well this week against Cripps n co then surely a restructure should be considered. For those of you who have all the "must have" rookies then I don't see the problem in this approach, it gets more problematic if you missed out on someone and need to get additional people in (whilst fixing Rowell and/or Dangerfield problems)
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Ironically this is the reason a lot of us started with the rookie rucks - to lessen the rookie risk elsewhere. As Wogi said, the ruck rookies are not young first and second year kids, they are more seasoned bodies.
Despite having fortunately started Martin, Flynn and Meek (aptly named Fleemart), I'm still very worried about the rucks in isolation moving forward. Where I hoped to gain overall, was keeping rookies off the field in other lines, and having a stronger bench i.e. minimising the risk of rubbish scores and having players dropped.
I (and I assume others with the rookie rucks) actually hope that rookies in general DO struggle with not having much footy in 2020, even if it does mean some pain in the rucks.
Despite having fortunately started Martin, Flynn and Meek (aptly named Fleemart
), I'm still very worried about the rucks in isolation moving forward. Where I hoped to gain overall, was keeping rookies off the field in other lines, and having a stronger bench i.e. minimising the risk of rubbish scores and having players dropped.I (and I assume others with the rookie rucks) actually hope that rookies in general DO struggle with not having much footy in 2020, even if it does mean some pain in the rucks.
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wow you are very well advanced if you have your Round 8 and 9 trades all sorted out 😀
I guess that's the thing have the likes of McDonald , Campbell (if played as a forward) , Warner , Rowe , Scott etc maxed out enough to facilitate a trade , if they are saying averaging 75+ (arguments sake) , they might be worth keeping for longer
I can see me doing Hunter - > rookie correction Round 3 via Fullarton if required , but if he holds his spot may just keep
I guess that's the thing have the likes of McDonald , Campbell (if played as a forward) , Warner , Rowe , Scott etc maxed out enough to facilitate a trade , if they are saying averaging 75+ (arguments sake) , they might be worth keeping for longer
I can see me doing Hunter - > rookie correction Round 3 via Fullarton if required , but if he holds his spot may just keep