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Bellchambers gets surgery...
Essendon ruckman Tom Bellchambers will undergo surgery on his injured ankle, sidelining him for at least three months.
It was decided that Bellchambers required the operation to mend damaged ligaments after consultation with a specialist.
Senior coach Mark Thompson said the surgery was an unfortunate setback.
“To lose a player of Tom’s ability for that amount of time is not ideal, but we have to look at the positives and Tommy is a resilient character,” Thompson said
“He’ll have the full support of the fitness and medical team to help him get back out playing as soon as possible.”
“We have a number of quality players that can play in the ruck including Paddy Ryder and Joe Daniher, and we picked up Fraser Thurlow in the rookie draft over the summer.”
This means Ryder as the #1 Ruck for at least the first 4 weeks you would imagine... could be a good pickup at a low price, he has a high ceiling and could easily pump out some monster scores, rise in price and give the option for an early upgrade to a more serious premium? Thoughts on him being a legitimate Ruck option with this news?
Also Thurlow more likely to get some game time with DPP
Essendon ruckman Tom Bellchambers will undergo surgery on his injured ankle, sidelining him for at least three months.
It was decided that Bellchambers required the operation to mend damaged ligaments after consultation with a specialist.
Senior coach Mark Thompson said the surgery was an unfortunate setback.
“To lose a player of Tom’s ability for that amount of time is not ideal, but we have to look at the positives and Tommy is a resilient character,” Thompson said
“He’ll have the full support of the fitness and medical team to help him get back out playing as soon as possible.”
“We have a number of quality players that can play in the ruck including Paddy Ryder and Joe Daniher, and we picked up Fraser Thurlow in the rookie draft over the summer.”
This means Ryder as the #1 Ruck for at least the first 4 weeks you would imagine... could be a good pickup at a low price, he has a high ceiling and could easily pump out some monster scores, rise in price and give the option for an early upgrade to a more serious premium? Thoughts on him being a legitimate Ruck option with this news?
Also Thurlow more likely to get some game time with DPP
very interesting re: Daniher Rowsus - certainly should get a lot of responsibility now and there are big wraps on him. Best 22 easily now surely?!? Don't know much about the Bombers though I must say. He might start to challenge the likes of M Clark for a spot in my fwd line.
Ryder also becomes more tempting but he is a massive BURN MAN for me. I've traded him in a few times and it is just not a fun SC experience - great score, bad score, injury, great score, brain fade suspension..... I just can't do it so to all of you aboard the Ryder train now good luck!!
Ryder also becomes more tempting but he is a massive BURN MAN for me. I've traded him in a few times and it is just not a fun SC experience - great score, bad score, injury, great score, brain fade suspension..... I just can't do it so to all of you aboard the Ryder train now good luck!!
What sort of breakout were you thinking? What sort of SC average if he was to play 15 games? IMO he would need to average around 75-80 before the byes, to make a decent amount of cash for an upgrade trade. If Essendon had an easier draw early on he would definitely be in my team, but i'm not sure he can make enough cash against better teams.
I'd say 75-80 would be a pretty good result. Will have the odd big one but follow it up with a couple of quiet ones. The trick will be to reduce the damage which time in the rucks might help with.
Had a quick look at his numbers last year and excluding his subbed game, he averaged 14.5 possessions and just over 6 marks a game which is very handy for a first year big man. If he can build on those numbers and convert those behinds to goals (kicked 3.9) i think 80 is within reach. Time on the ball and a few touches around the ground might give him a bit of confidence too.
Had a quick look at his numbers last year and excluding his subbed game, he averaged 14.5 possessions and just over 6 marks a game which is very handy for a first year big man. If he can build on those numbers and convert those behinds to goals (kicked 3.9) i think 80 is within reach. Time on the ball and a few touches around the ground might give him a bit of confidence too.
I've been reading that Nic Nat is going in for surgery this Friday, reports from SEN.
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/Naitanui-set-for-surgery-to-fix-troub****me-groin/63471
If this report turns out to be true, Nic Nat will likely be a late starter in 2014. Will this make Cox more or less appealing for people? Also, what does this mean for Lycett and Sinclair?
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/Naitanui-set-for-surgery-to-fix-troub****me-groin/63471
If this report turns out to be true, Nic Nat will likely be a late starter in 2014. Will this make Cox more or less appealing for people? Also, what does this mean for Lycett and Sinclair?
Yet tonight the West Coast website has put up an article saying he is in good shape.
http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2014-01-22/naitanui-in-good-nick
Time will tell but at this stage I will believe the AFL reporter over in Perth. It wouldn't be the first time that something Schwarz has claimed on radio proves to be utter tripe and 100% wrong.
http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2014-01-22/naitanui-in-good-nick
Time will tell but at this stage I will believe the AFL reporter over in Perth. It wouldn't be the first time that something Schwarz has claimed on radio proves to be utter tripe and 100% wrong.
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I really think Daniher will play a lot of game time this year. With Gumbleton gone and Daniher having done another pre-season I suspect they will start grooming him strongly to be one of their pillars up forward. Hurley looks sure to be spending more time down back than forward and I'm sure at times both Carlisle and Hurley will play the swing man role but no Crameri and no Gumbleton in 2013 tells me plenty of room for young Daniher to make his mark. The little I saw of him in past he looks to have all the hallmarks you want for learning the trade as a key forward that can pinch hit in the ruck with his height. I really can't see them bothering to let him learn his trade in reserves side any more.
Having said that I got no real idea what he might score in SC or even what his price is right now but I look at it in pre-season when starting to really look at whom I go with.
Unlike most here, I'm not too keen on idea of stepping stones but if he scores well for me in early part of season when we cannot play all premiums in that first phase, he may become relevant if he can make me $130 or $140 k quick enough.
Having said that I got no real idea what he might score in SC or even what his price is right now but I look at it in pre-season when starting to really look at whom I go with.
Unlike most here, I'm not too keen on idea of stepping stones but if he scores well for me in early part of season when we cannot play all premiums in that first phase, he may become relevant if he can make me $130 or $140 k quick enough.
I reckon Daniher's SC scoring will be more up and down than a pair of Kangaroos in mating season!
(OK sorry this will be the only Red Drawf quote I put on this forum, I promise).
For example he will score 34 one week against a strong side and then belt out a 122 against a weaker side the next. Actually what I am guessing is that he will be a flat track bully this year. If one does have him he would be an ideal emergency to have a look at his score first.
(OK sorry this will be the only Red Drawf quote I put on this forum, I promise).
For example he will score 34 one week against a strong side and then belt out a 122 against a weaker side the next. Actually what I am guessing is that he will be a flat track bully this year. If one does have him he would be an ideal emergency to have a look at his score first.
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Anyone thinking of looping Sandi, Hmac & Hickey?
I have no confidence in choosing the right rucks this year and this seems like the best way to get 2 strong rucks by the byes, by trading the first one to peak out and banking the cash to jump on Goldy/Minson when they bottom?
I really don't like picking Sandi though....
I have no confidence in choosing the right rucks this year and this seems like the best way to get 2 strong rucks by the byes, by trading the first one to peak out and banking the cash to jump on Goldy/Minson when they bottom?
I really don't like picking Sandi though....
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An article today about mcintosh and simpson.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-01-23/finally-some-ruck-luck
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-01-23/finally-some-ruck-luck
Just out of interest, this is the squad I had jotted down. Doesn't need rating, just showing the team. I honestly have no idea what to do with the rucks this year but it would be nice to be able to loophole the rucks and have a look at there scores first.
Worth discussion though. (3 x rucks, mature in time for bye's, turn them over)
S Mitchell, K Simpson, G Birchall, J Grimes, M Suckling, E Wood. (K Aylett, M Fuller)
G Ablett, S Pendlebury, M Murphy, D Beams, D Thomas, J Aish, V Michie, X Ellis. (L Dunstan, L Taylor)
H McINTOSH, T HICKEY, (A SANDILANDS, T Nankervis)
P Dangerfield, L Franklin, P Chapman, M Pavlich, J Lamb, G Rohan. (S Kerstan, D Garlett)
Very risky, not sure !
Worth discussion though. (3 x rucks, mature in time for bye's, turn them over)
S Mitchell, K Simpson, G Birchall, J Grimes, M Suckling, E Wood. (K Aylett, M Fuller)
G Ablett, S Pendlebury, M Murphy, D Beams, D Thomas, J Aish, V Michie, X Ellis. (L Dunstan, L Taylor)
H McINTOSH, T HICKEY, (A SANDILANDS, T Nankervis)
P Dangerfield, L Franklin, P Chapman, M Pavlich, J Lamb, G Rohan. (S Kerstan, D Garlett)
Very risky, not sure !
My rucks are the same at the moment except with king at r4 per a rowsus recommendation that he would be best got loophole. Don't know if I will have the guys to go with it but it is reasonably low risk if they don't come of as you can always go one up one down with 2 correction trades. If I go with this strategy I plan to be fairly low risk on other lines
My only problem with this is that in reality you don't get a look at all three scores.
By way of example:
If Sandilands plays Friday Night, McIntosh on Saturday, Hickey on Saturday night and Nakevis on Sunday.
The loophole only works if I choose to play Hickey instead of either Sandilands or McIntosh. However I have to choose Sandilands or McIntosh as an Emerg (or put them on the park) before they play for their score to count.
Lets say I make Sandilands my Emerg. He plays, scores 95, I decide to keep it, I then have to put Nakevis on the field as a non-scoring ruck so that Sandilands plays as emergency.
I now have one spot on the field and one spot on the bench. If I use the other bench spot as an Emerg then I will get the lower of that score and Sandilands to replace Nekevis.
Therefore I have to choose between McIntosh and Hickey before McIntosh plays.
No matter what order the ruckmen play in (as long as they all play before then non-scoring ruckmen) you will always have to choose one ruckmen to be on the field before two have played.
All your doing is creating an opportunity to see one ruckman's score and decide whether to keep it (and if so who not to play) or to play your remaining ruckmen.
Seems a lot of money and a lot of risk for little gain.
By way of example:
If Sandilands plays Friday Night, McIntosh on Saturday, Hickey on Saturday night and Nakevis on Sunday.
The loophole only works if I choose to play Hickey instead of either Sandilands or McIntosh. However I have to choose Sandilands or McIntosh as an Emerg (or put them on the park) before they play for their score to count.
Lets say I make Sandilands my Emerg. He plays, scores 95, I decide to keep it, I then have to put Nakevis on the field as a non-scoring ruck so that Sandilands plays as emergency.
I now have one spot on the field and one spot on the bench. If I use the other bench spot as an Emerg then I will get the lower of that score and Sandilands to replace Nekevis.
Therefore I have to choose between McIntosh and Hickey before McIntosh plays.
No matter what order the ruckmen play in (as long as they all play before then non-scoring ruckmen) you will always have to choose one ruckmen to be on the field before two have played.
All your doing is creating an opportunity to see one ruckman's score and decide whether to keep it (and if so who not to play) or to play your remaining ruckmen.
Seems a lot of money and a lot of risk for little gain.