Strategy Round 3: Trades
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My gut was telling me all preseason ''listen to the word out of PA'' but in the end I went for the 70k saving on Phillips.
Now the 163 score is gone which might be his biggest of the year, but I agree he is likely to be a solid fwd premo.
Is it just me who builds up a hard-to-overcome-aversion to trading in players who have just gone gangbusters?
Now the 163 score is gone which might be his biggest of the year, but I agree he is likely to be a solid fwd premo.
Is it just me who builds up a hard-to-overcome-aversion to trading in players who have just gone gangbusters?
2 massive wins. Won't continue. He's still affordable for what he could return for the rest of the year but what can he return is the question. @Rowsus has a very good way of working this out so I might leave the maths to him. But if you think he's become a 105 player you now have to deduct his first 2 scores to give you an idea of what remains. You might still get a decent player but it won't be the player you've watched in the first 2 rounds.
It was the centre bounce numbers that put me off in the preseason, he wasn't getting any!
I just couldn't see how he could go 100 without attending CB's, now that he is at least getting some (probably slowing building him up) is a positive, even if Butters throws out plenty of 80's and 90's the odd big score here and there could still see him land in the top 6-8 fwds.
Have no idea how Rozee affects him tbh.
I just couldn't see how he could go 100 without attending CB's, now that he is at least getting some (probably slowing building him up) is a positive, even if Butters throws out plenty of 80's and 90's the odd big score here and there could still see him land in the top 6-8 fwds.
Have no idea how Rozee affects him tbh.
If you believe Butters can be a 22/105 Fwd this season, which is a lot harder task than it sounds, then he'll go 20/102.5 from here.
As @freowho pointed out, those 2 scores came from playing against North and Essendon, likely to be 2 of the easiest teams for a Half Forward to score against this year. When doing the post game analysis, they showed a clip where Butters kicked his goal. He started in the centre at a stoppage (not a Centre Bounce, I think). He had 3 bombers surrounding him, and he ran 80 metres (not in a straight line) to get the ball in the Fwd 50m, about 25m from goal. The 3 Bombers that surrounded him weren't within 20-25m of him, when he got the ball. The point is, not many teams are going to let you run that free. He's already played 2 of the teams are likely to let you do it. There are maybe 4 easy teams for a player like him to score against, say 8 "neutral" teams, and 5 tough teams. Port play Ade, Carl, Coll, StK and Wbull twice. If his draw started at: 5 easy, 10 so-so and 7 tough games for him to score well, then he now has had 2 of those 5 easy games!
I have no doubt, that once Rozee is back, and fit, he will have some sort of affect on Butter's SC scoring.
Keep in mind, when you trade a player in, you are not looking for him to be (in this case) a top 6-8 Fwd, you are looking for him to be a top 6-8 Fwd, from the point in the season you traded him in, until the end. It's no good trading a player in, and getting to the end of the season, and saying "he finished the number 5 Fwd", if he was the number 12 Fwd for the period he was in your team!
As @freowho pointed out, those 2 scores came from playing against North and Essendon, likely to be 2 of the easiest teams for a Half Forward to score against this year. When doing the post game analysis, they showed a clip where Butters kicked his goal. He started in the centre at a stoppage (not a Centre Bounce, I think). He had 3 bombers surrounding him, and he ran 80 metres (not in a straight line) to get the ball in the Fwd 50m, about 25m from goal. The 3 Bombers that surrounded him weren't within 20-25m of him, when he got the ball. The point is, not many teams are going to let you run that free. He's already played 2 of the teams are likely to let you do it. There are maybe 4 easy teams for a player like him to score against, say 8 "neutral" teams, and 5 tough teams. Port play Ade, Carl, Coll, StK and Wbull twice. If his draw started at: 5 easy, 10 so-so and 7 tough games for him to score well, then he now has had 2 of those 5 easy games!
I have no doubt, that once Rozee is back, and fit, he will have some sort of affect on Butter's SC scoring.
Keep in mind, when you trade a player in, you are not looking for him to be (in this case) a top 6-8 Fwd, you are looking for him to be a top 6-8 Fwd, from the point in the season you traded him in, until the end. It's no good trading a player in, and getting to the end of the season, and saying "he finished the number 5 Fwd", if he was the number 12 Fwd for the period he was in your team!
Yeah bit of a tough one.
His tackling is fantastic which is much needed in an Adelaide side, really impressive how strong be is at it for a first year player. Set himself up with 1 to 2 shots on goal as a result of it. Would have had a pretty good score if he had his kicking boots on as all four shots were very kickable goals.
During the start of the 4th I jumped on the AFL app to see he had spent 16 minutes on the bench which is a really long time. When he came back on he was back in the middle for centre bounces so I find this one quite hard to read. We're either managing him so he can keep playing without wearing out too much or he doesn't have the tank (but would think he'd be at hff in the 4th). Finished with 65% tog which is pretty low, unsure if it was the same in round 1 but he had a great score at HT before stopping so I'm wondering if we did the same thing. Edit: Just looked at the AFL app and you can see a quarter by quarter ToG breakdown and pretty different from round 1 to round 2.
On Crouch, not sure what the go is. Seen a rumor it's OP, he's had a few issues this pre season and managed to play the first and last practice games and missed inbetween so he's not pulling up very well it seems. So 2 to 3 weeks is probably a fair period to wait at this point. So Berry has a chance to hold his spot a while longer yet so he'd need to start finding a few more touches or converting a little more on his chances.
So yeah, I wouldn't have him as a must have but I could see him posting a nice score if he converts in front of goal.
His tackling is fantastic which is much needed in an Adelaide side, really impressive how strong be is at it for a first year player. Set himself up with 1 to 2 shots on goal as a result of it. Would have had a pretty good score if he had his kicking boots on as all four shots were very kickable goals.
During the start of the 4th I jumped on the AFL app to see he had spent 16 minutes on the bench which is a really long time. When he came back on he was back in the middle for centre bounces so I find this one quite hard to read. We're either managing him so he can keep playing without wearing out too much or he doesn't have the tank (but would think he'd be at hff in the 4th). Finished with 65% tog which is pretty low, unsure if it was the same in round 1 but he had a great score at HT before stopping so I'm wondering if we did the same thing. Edit: Just looked at the AFL app and you can see a quarter by quarter ToG breakdown and pretty different from round 1 to round 2.
On Crouch, not sure what the go is. Seen a rumor it's OP, he's had a few issues this pre season and managed to play the first and last practice games and missed inbetween so he's not pulling up very well it seems. So 2 to 3 weeks is probably a fair period to wait at this point. So Berry has a chance to hold his spot a while longer yet so he'd need to start finding a few more touches or converting a little more on his chances.
So yeah, I wouldn't have him as a must have but I could see him posting a nice score if he converts in front of goal.
same here, tossed up butters, dunk, phillips and went phillips. butters reminds me of my early call on simpkin last year.
trades this week: sharp>jordon
and one of;- phillips>dunkley/butters or jones>impey? better cash gen from jones>impey and phillips is sideways
holding danger, cripps. clark, daniher doing minimum necessary
thoughts?
team rnd2 2166pts
laird,ridley,daniel, doc,stewart,clark - kosi,highmore
oliver,macrae,zerrett,walsh, cripps, powell, gulden, berry, - scott, sharp, brockman
grundy, flynn, hunter
danger, phillips, ziebell, daniher, campbell, warner- jones, rowe
trades this week: sharp>jordon
and one of;- phillips>dunkley/butters or jones>impey? better cash gen from jones>impey and phillips is sideways
holding danger, cripps. clark, daniher doing minimum necessary
thoughts?
team rnd2 2166pts
laird,ridley,daniel, doc,stewart,clark - kosi,highmore
oliver,macrae,zerrett,walsh, cripps, powell, gulden, berry, - scott, sharp, brockman
grundy, flynn, hunter
danger, phillips, ziebell, daniher, campbell, warner- jones, rowe
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There are plenty looking to get dropped ahead of him. I find him frustrating, as when he does get the footy he looks really classy, but it’s the 20minute periods of nothing in between that are killing him. I think he will click at some stage and get 25 possessions and rack up a ton, just not sure how long I want to wait for it.
Missed Jordon, so Dow will be traded down to him. Wouldn’t surprise me if Dow came good, but there’s selection risk on top of scoring risk, so have to go to the rookie that will make great $ quickly.
Phillips needs to be corrected. Annoyed with myself as he was in no preseason drafts, last man in. Thinking I’ll go down to Impey, and give myself some room to move if Taranto is horrible again next week.
Cripps is a hold for me.
Dow to Jordon
Phillips to Impey
Phillips needs to be corrected. Annoyed with myself as he was in no preseason drafts, last man in. Thinking I’ll go down to Impey, and give myself some room to move if Taranto is horrible again next week.
Cripps is a hold for me.
Dow to Jordon
Phillips to Impey
Phillips -> Dusty is one trade locked in. I'm not taking the chance that this is Dusty going back to his best days 110ppg+. He might regress from here but I'm not taking that chance. Getting him in.
Second trade I need to make about $50k. So my only real option is going Neale to whoever (Oliver/Steele/Bont) or Fyfe to Brayshaw/Walsh could be another option - and then bank on Neale turning it around. The concussion isn't what worries me about Fyfe it's the role. The midfield dominated last night without Fyfe in there (Brayshaw, Cerra, Serong, Mundy) - and Fyfe was effective in a forward role. He scored well last night before he got injured but it's hard to see him being a 110ppg+ guy in that role over the course of the season.
Second trade I need to make about $50k. So my only real option is going Neale to whoever (Oliver/Steele/Bont) or Fyfe to Brayshaw/Walsh could be another option - and then bank on Neale turning it around. The concussion isn't what worries me about Fyfe it's the role. The midfield dominated last night without Fyfe in there (Brayshaw, Cerra, Serong, Mundy) - and Fyfe was effective in a forward role. He scored well last night before he got injured but it's hard to see him being a 110ppg+ guy in that role over the course of the season.