Discussion SC 2021: Rookie Discussion

[Quasimodo]

I think we can be more aggressive as initially thought as alot of mid pricers are looking like long term holds, could easily have 2 or 3 upgrades less to make than anticipated.

Indeed it's quite encouraging to see the likes of JZ, Impey, CJ, Tex, Atkins etc perform well early in the season. So hopefully they keep it going into the back half of the season and we don't feel the need to jump ship at some point.

I'd still probably prefer not to have Gulden as my M8 so accordingly need to find a ton of cash to upgrade the likes of a Berry, Jordon, Campbell etc to the Macrae's and Titch's of the world. As I have Dusty in my mids that means 5 ultra premo upgrades in the MIDS along with two ultra premo FWDs and probably another DEF. And that's assuming Impey and JZ remain keepers and we are not savaged by injuries. Then ideally you really want to have at least one decent M9/F7 DPP backup to cover short term OUTs late in the season.

Looking at the insipid rookies I have on my bench right now (other than Flynn) I'm wondering where exactly all that cash is going to come from.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Indeed it's quite encouraging to see the likes of JZ, Impey, CJ, Tex, Atkins etc perform well early in the season. So hopefully they keep it going into the back half of the season and we don't feel the need to jump ship at some point.

I'd still probably prefer not to have Gulden as my M8 so accordingly need to find a ton of cash to upgrade the likes of a Berry, Jordon, Campbell etc to the Macrae's and Titch's of the world. As I have Dusty in my mids that means 5 ultra premo upgrades along with two ultra premo FWDs and probably another DEF. And that's assuming Impey and JS remain keepers and we are not savaged by injuries. Then ideally you really want to have at least one decent M9/F7 DPP backup to cover short term OUTs late in the season.

Looking at the insipid rookies I have on my bench right now (other than Flynn) I'm wondering where exactly all that cash is going to come from.

People should be fixing their bench rookies not sideways trading blokes on field, have said it for a fortnight now and will be precisely what I look to do this weekend.

Dont get this whole hold logic all thats going to happen is you get to Round 10 and have 3/4 of a bench under 200k and no room to upgrade.

Obviously be diligent who you bring in but we arent getting nowhere with our Kosi/Bruhn/Bergman benches.

 

[wogitalia]

So for example...guys like A.Scott & L.McNeil should be kept as long as possible? Such slow burns though! Reminds me of Balta from a couple of seasons ago, although that turned out to be quite well in the end! lol

If they're playing the only real reason to trade them before at least 100k, preferably 150k, is if that trade is the maximum cash you can free up with a trade that allows a big upgrade or there is an absolute must have rookie in the gun.

Oddly enough, this has definitely been the year of the midpricer.

Jiath, Sholl and Cumming down back have been excellent (not even mentioning the Bowes, Houston, Hardwick and Lever types).

Hickey in the rucks.

Then of course Walker, Ziebell, Impey, Fogarty, Naughton, Bruce, Atkins, Hind, McKay, Membrey, Pickett and so on, aka basically the entirety of the top 20 forwards right now

Of course I couldn't pick half of those guys in mid price madness so I obviously had a great chance in the real stuff (to be fair Walker and Membrey were the only ones not on my list and I'd have picked more of them if I could pick more than two from sides!).

The hardest part with the rookies now is balancing between cashing out the guys you want on field to make upgrades without undoing the trade with who you have to field in their place. For example Gulden out makes the cash but good luck finding many upgrades that are the 40 points better than he is from the other rookies on average so far.

Even harder is the racking up of DNP on the bench that I imagine most are suffering now!

 

[Backbone]

People should be fixing their bench rookies not sideways trading blokes on field, have said it for a fortnight now and will be precisely what I look to do this weekend.

Dont get this whole hold logic all thats going to happen is you get to Round 10 and have 3/4 of a bench under 200k and no room to upgrade.

Obviously be diligent who you bring in but we arent getting nowhere with our Kosi/Bruhn/Bergman benches.

Has been my strategy this year
Will get l Jones for highmore next week for sure
The dead types are no good on the pine

I’m backing Bergman to come in this week feel he’ll be okay. Few injuries will open up a spot for him at port

Bench will be after next week
L Jones parks (Js looks good and think he can get a few 50’s 60’s at half back)
berry lazarro (Js again high was 30 at half time will get a 60 soon) a Fyfe (loop)
Flynn
Rowe Bergman

When laz becomes Macrae in round 7 I think that bench will make decent enough coin to help upgrade the gulden/Chappy/Powell’s of the word

 

[wogitalia]

Will Phillips probably the one going under the radar from what I can see. He's expensive but can certainly see him being the Serong of this season, expect his role gets better and better as the season goes by. Too much ability and too much invested to not get him through the midfield at a team going nowhere.

 

[Montyjnr]

Will Phillips probably the one going under the radar from what I can see. He's expensive but can certainly see him being the Serong of this season, expect his role gets better and better as the season goes by. Too much ability and too much invested to not get him through the midfield at a team going nowhere.

Considering he's barely averaging above his breakeven, you can probably afford to wait for a spike game before jumping on.

 

[wogitalia]

Considering he's barely averaging above his breakeven, you can probably afford to wait for a spike game before jumping on.

More a factor that there aren't any bubble boys this week that are really strong options, whereas next week it looks like Jones, the week after is likely to have Macrae so you start to get to the miss out period.

Not that Phillips is a must have yet or at all given how rare he'll be, but he definitely is worth an eyeball and consideration.

 

[jaca]

I’m holding the Swans rookies for now @wogitalia - myopia? Campbell in particular.

 

[wogitalia]

I’m holding the Swans rookies for now @wogitalia - myopia? Campbell in particular.

I have no intention of trading any of them yet.

GWS aren't playing well and their small/mid sized defenders are a bit suspect (especially defensively) so Gulden has strong potential.

Warner is the one who has the biggest question when Rowbottom returns as he has taken his role, imo, he's also produced more in the past couple of games than Rowbottom ever has in the role and shows a lot more potential and dynamic playmaking ability but Rowbottom will have seniority and also hasn't been able to do anything in other roles yet.

Campbell I have no intention of trading until he's at 350k. Too talented, role is great and hopeful he puts up another big score soon. He's not used it well the last two games but I think that will take care of itself, just needs to take slightly less risks by foot and a bit more time executing.

Only risk is possibly a rest or two given their age over the next month or so (Warner less so) but I don't have Powell so I'm really lacking on field options, Warner felt "bad" last week and was still one of the top rookies.

 

[jaca]

Will likely get Waterman. Is Bergman worth considering if named? He’s on 2 games, always seem to forget those guys who’ve gone out and back in.

 

[avantgarde]

Will likely get Waterman. Is Bergman worth considering if named? He’s on 2 games, always seem to forget those guys who’ve gone out and back in.

Miles Bergman ??

Don't think so.........................he'd have to show plenty more than he has so far to worthy a trade in let alone a trade out later on.

AG

 

[jel]

I have no intention of trading any of them yet.

GWS aren't playing well and their small/mid sized defenders are a bit suspect (especially defensively) so Gulden has strong potential.

Warner is the one who has the biggest question when Rowbottom returns as he has taken his role, imo, he's also produced more in the past couple of games than Rowbottom ever has in the role and shows a lot more potential and dynamic playmaking ability but Rowbottom will have seniority and also hasn't been able to do anything in other roles yet.

Campbell I have no intention of trading until he's at 350k. Too talented, role is great and hopeful he puts up another big score soon. He's not used it well the last two games but I think that will take care of itself, just needs to take slightly less risks by foot and a bit more time executing.

Only risk is possibly a rest or two given their age over the next month or so (Warner less so) but I don't have Powell so I'm really lacking on field options, Warner felt "bad" last week and was still one of the top rookies.

I'm torn with Campbell. A strong feeling of FOMO if I cash him out now.
If he averages 50 then he basically stagnates, but I can use him with Butters this week to get Gawn & Waterman.

I could use Daniher instead of Campbell and achieve the same result.

 

[Snowman]

I'm torn with Campbell. A strong feeling of FOMO if I cash him out now.
If he averages 50 then he basically stagnates, but I can use him with Butters this week to get Gawn & Waterman.

If it means getting Gawn now I think I’d do it

 

[Misky]

I'm torn with Campbell. A strong feeling of FOMO if I cash him out now.
If he averages 50 then he basically stagnates, but I can use him with Butters this week to get Gawn & Waterman.

I could use Daniher instead of Campbell and achieve the same result.

I think there is more to lose by trading Campbell than keeping him. He has shown he can score well and it only takes 1 large one large score to kick start his cash gen as others have said.

In a season where rookies are looking pretty poor and/or non existent i think its going to be very difficult to get a full premo team. By squeezing an extra 50k out of Campbell for example might get you a Steele instead of a Titch for example. I know what i'd rather target...

 

[inwhiterooms]

Anyone considering jumping on Macrae sight unseen this week?

I'm really bullish on him.

 

[Montyjnr]

I think there is more to lose by trading Campbell than keeping him. He has shown he can score well and it only takes 1 large one large score to kick start his cash gen as others have said.

In a season where rookies are looking pretty poor and/or non existent i think its going to be very difficult to get a full premo team. By squeezing an extra 50k out of Campbell for example might get you a Steele instead of a Titch for example. I know what i'd rather target...

Both? Tom Mitchell is a top 8 midfielder right now.

Steele vs Cripps or Merrett is a better comparison.

 

[Professor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1381780211587411968

 

[jel]

If it means getting Gawn now I think I’d do it

I think there is more to lose by trading Campbell than keeping him. He has shown he can score well and it only takes 1 large one large score to kick start his cash gen as others have said.

In a season where rookies are looking pretty poor and/or non existent i think its going to be very difficult to get a full premo team. By squeezing an extra 50k out of Campbell for example might get you a Steele instead of a Titch for example. I know what i'd rather target...

I'm coming around to the idea that trading Daniher instead of Campbell might be a better move.
Daniher might have a spike game in him, but Campbell has at least shown what he can peak at, plus the DPP is handy.

 

[Spifflicator]

Anyone considering jumping on Macrae sight unseen this week?

I'm really bullish on him.

No, unless you think he's tonning up, there is no reason at all to pick him.

 

[Zimmer]

No, unless you think he's tonning up, there is no reason at all to pick him.

Unless you have a donut and like his prospects more than those on the bubble. It's a risk that sometimes pays off.