Discussion SC 2021: Rookie Discussion

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Actually, just did some digging to see what was wrong with him - apparently he had gastro.

Not really sure how you sub someone for gastro given the 12 day guideline, but presumably he’s fit to play next week.
If that's true then the football gods injuring Adams a few minutes later reeks of a karmic response...

Adams just really unlucky, can't seem to catch a break this year.
 
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If the headline and picture is anything to go by, sounds like Finlay Macrae will get handed a debut.

Could be a very handy and important Round 7 rookie.

If someone can post the contents of the article that would be handy...

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Hurt Locker: The latest AFL injury news from your club ahead of Round 5
Collingwood will unveil a highly-touted debutant against West Coast to help cover the loss of Taylor Adams, whose injury fate has been revealed.

Finn Macrae’s dominant VFL display against Geelong will see him handed a debut against West Coast as Taylor Adams’ worst knee fears were realised on Monday.
Collingwood onballer Adams will miss up to 10 weeks with a high-grade medial ligament sprain, a bitter blow for the Pies given their 1-3 win-loss record.

But despite losing one of its star clearance players, Collingwood will have only its vice-captain and Jamie Elliott out of its best 22 against a West Coast team missing Elliott Yeo (groin), Shannon Hurn (calf) and Luke Shuey (hamstring).

The Pies yesterday cleared Jordan De Goey (AC joint) and Steele Sidebottom (thumb) to play after scans on Sunday.

De Goey pulled up sore after being tackled and Sidebottom stirred up an old injury, but they will be on the plane to Perth on Thursday morning.

Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley has promised change after an insipid loss to Greater Western Sydney, but not all of the six players taken in last year’s national draft are ready.

Exciting half forward Ollie Henry played in Round 1 but after a four-possession game is finding form again in the VFL, while explosive midfielder Reef McInnes is only just back from a finger tendon injury.

Beau McCreery will keep his spot in the side after making his debut as the medical sub in Round 3 then playing well against the Giants.

Macrae, taken with the No.19 selection in last year’s draft, will almost certainly make his debut as a highly-efficient midfielder in the mould of his Western Bulldogs brother Jack.

He made the Under-18 squad for Vic Metro as a bottom-ager while also playing for Xavier College and averaged 16.9 disposals, 3.9 marks and 83 ranking points in seven NAB League games.

He was the standout in the VFL clash against Geelong on Saturday, with Irish defender Mark Keane and Darcy Cameron also in the top three Pies on the ground.

Cameron is expected to come in to help Brodie Grundy tag-team Nic Naitanui after his solid summer form and his strong performance in last year’s elimination final against West Coast.

Wingman Caleb Poulter, the No.30 pick in last year’s draft, has been in strong form but copped a head knock in the contest that required attention.

He was cleared of concussion and played on after being bandaged up, but is not quite ready to debut.

Brayden Sier was subbed off in the loss to GWS after vomiting in the changerooms with gastro, but should be available to take on West Coast.

Collingwood high performance boss Kevin White said Sidebottom had broken his thumb four years ago and stirred up that injury, but had not suffered another fracture.

But Adams, who had averaged 7.8 clearances and 4.5 centre clearances in his four games so far, might not be back until Round 14.
 

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Rightly or wrongly, I intend to hold onto my R1 Rookie for as long as practical or until they've made their cash or dropped completely from their teams. It's looking like a very difficult year for Rookie cash generation but history says that those R1 debutants seems to have the greatest JS of the lot. Some of them just need a spike game or two to get them over the $100K mark, as long as they're still in their respective teams they have a chance regardless of how remote that may seems right now.
 
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Rightly or wrongly, I intend to hold onto my R1 Rookie for as long as practical or until they've made their cash or dropped completely from their teams. It's looking like a very difficult year for Rookie cash generation but history says that those R1 debutants seems to have the greatest JS of the lot. Some of them just need a spike game or two to get them over the $100K mark, as long as they're still in their respective teams they have a chance regardless of how remote that may seems right now.
It’s a debate every year.

Trading aggressively to get premos quicker
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Saving trades and maximising cash generation
 
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Rightly or wrongly, I intend to hold onto my R1 Rookie for as long as practical or until they've made their cash or dropped completely from their teams. It's looking like a very difficult year for Rookie cash generation but history says that those R1 debutants seems to have the greatest JS of the lot. Some of them just need a spike game or two to get them over the $100K mark, as long as they're still in their respective teams they have a chance regardless of how remote that may seems right now.
So for example...guys like A.Scott & L.McNeil should be kept as long as possible? Such slow burns though! Reminds me of Balta from a couple of seasons ago, although that turned out to be quite well in the end! lol
 
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Worry Waterman's floor is 30 to be honest, not a high possession player and hes fairly unlikely to kick 2 every week, are we all just jumping on because theres nobody else?
He looks like the type who'd do well in state league footy but is carrying too much upper body muscle for this level as a medium sized player. He could prove me wrong of course.
 
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No-one has ever won SuperCoach saving trades and maximising cash generation.
That's probably true although there is also some accomplishment in trying to finish top 1K, top 100 etc or just winning an important league or cashy. And sometimes that means holding back rather than going balls to the walls and blowing all your trades early and instead playing a longer game.

Cash gen is looking especially tight this season with all the underwhelming rookies we have. So assembling a full premo squad around or shortly after the byes looks to be super challenging in 2021, especially if you've already burnt trades on a number of corrections. It's probably actually prudent to squeeze out every last drop from our starting rookies as they may be some of the best ones we have all season when it comes to points production and JS etc.

That said I rarely finish a season with any trades myself and sometimes none at all during the start of the Supercoach finals. :LOL:

So I'm definitely in the aggressive trading camp but can certainly respect the more patient approach.
 
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Just had a look at Footywire for price projections for my rookies if they play the next 3 games

Chapman 319,700
Highmore 259,900 ???

Gulden 411,200
Powell 323,800
Campbell 283,700

Flynn 389,500

Warner 371,500

My Bench (happy if they get to 275,000+)

Fantasia 287,000 losing money
Fyfe 🍩

Berry 257,600 should make it
JordOn 238,300 questionable
McNeil 200,900 doubtful

Meek 249,200 doubtful

Rowe 247,700 maybe
Fullarton 186,200 doubtful
 
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That's probably true although there is also some accomplishment in trying to finish top 1K, top 100 etc or just winning an important league or cashy. And sometimes that means holding back rather than going balls to the walls and blowing all your trades early and instead playing a longer game.

Cash gen is looking especially tight this season with all the underwhelming rookies we have. So assembling a full premo squad around or shortly after the byes looks to be super challenging in 2021, especially if you've already burnt trades on a number of corrections. So it's probably prudent to squeeze out every last drop from our starting rookies as they may be some of the best ones we have all season when it comes to points production and JS etc.

That said I rarely finish a season with any trades myself and sometimes none at all during the start of the Supercoach finals. :LOL:

So I'm definitely in the aggressive trading camp but can certainly respect the more patient approach.
I think we can be more aggressive than initially thought as alot of mid pricers are looking like long term holds, could easily have 2 or 3 upgrades less to make than anticipated.
 
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