Discussion 2021 Round 5: Teams & In Game Discussion
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Trading a dude out who is missing one round, emg cover of a low 35 points v the 110 points you get from a trade is a lazy 75 point gain. Terrible trade unless you're moving him on as you no longer believe he's a premium which I'm pretty comfortable to back in 2 previous seasons of scores along with an alright start this year prior to the weekend game. The 19 has come and gone now so moving him doesn't mean you dodge that score, just moving him out after he's had a solid price drop, rather bank on him rebounding at this point.
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Role is not as expected/ not getting as many kick outs as assumed - dogs preferring to have guys who kick it longer rather than his chip kicks.
Has now shown he is very susceptible to the fwd tag so expect it will happen again.
Bevo moved him fwd in the 2nd half, will he do this more often in the future? Playing him as small fwd is not a lucrative SC position. Bevo is known to do some weird moves that surprises (sometimes they do work I must admit).
With poor back rookie bench coverage - Highmore/ Sharp/ Kosi, many are looking at a possible zero if they don’t move him on. Can trade in Jones but he isn’t on the bubble this week so there is always that risk in him getting dropped next week or gets injured so get stuck with a player that generates no money (unlikely I know as Jones looks very good but is a possibility).
Don’t think he will be a top 8 defender - so many other defenders are showing all the signs that they will be a top 8 defender so far whilst Daniel hasn’t. Ridley/ Laird/ Short/ Mills/ Lloyd/ Bowes/ Docherty & Houston possibly all look more likely at this stage. Such a strong group/ more great options than other position this year - holding Daniel for the rest of the year instead of taking one of the other options listed could leave you well behind the pack.
Role is not as expected/ not getting as many kick outs as assumed - dogs preferring to have guys who kick it longer rather than his chip kicks.
Has now shown he is very susceptible to the fwd tag so expect it will happen again.
Bevo moved him fwd in the 2nd half, will he do this more often in the future? Playing him as small fwd is not a lucrative SC position. Bevo is known to do some weird moves that surprises (sometimes they do work I must admit).
With poor back rookie bench coverage - Highmore/ Sharp/ Kosi, many are looking at a possible zero if they don’t move him on. Can trade in Jones but he isn’t on the bubble this week so there is always that risk in him getting dropped next week or gets injured so get stuck with a player that generates no money (unlikely I know as Jones looks very good but is a possibility).
Don’t think he will be a top 8 defender - so many other defenders are showing all the signs that they will be a top 8 defender so far whilst Daniel hasn’t. Ridley/ Laird/ Short/ Mills/ Lloyd/ Bowes/ Docherty & Houston possibly all look more likely at this stage. Such a strong group/ more great options than other position this year - holding Daniel for the rest of the year instead of taking one of the other options listed could leave you well behind the pack.
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Just too many concerns so I’m offloading him in both SC and DT this week. He’s obviously a quality player but it’s hard to outperform a less than favourable fantasy role as Jelly owners are also enduring. Plus his current individual form is not great either.
Maybe those who hold may end up being the real winners in the long run but I won’t be one of them. Not sticking around to find out - I’ve seen enough. Helloooo Dunkley!
Maybe those who hold may end up being the real winners in the long run but I won’t be one of them. Not sticking around to find out - I’ve seen enough. Helloooo Dunkley!
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To counter the counter -
How much of this is actually true?
Round 1 - Kick-ins (play on): Caleb Daniel 6 (5), Bailey Dale 3 (3), Taylor Duryea 1 (1), Bailey Williams 1 (1).
Round 2 - Kick-ins (play on): Caleb Daniel 5 (5), Taylor Duryea 2 (2), Bailey Dale 1 (0), Bailey Williams 1 (1).
Round 3 - Kick-ins (play on): Claeb Daniel 6 (5), Taylor Duryea 2 (1), Bailey Dale 1 (1).
Round 4 - Kick-ins (play on): Bailey Dale 2 (2), Caleb Daniel 2 (1), Alex Keath 1 (0), Taylor Duryea 1 (1).
So Daniel has lead the kick in stats for every game bar last week where Brisbane only kicked 6 behinds for a game.
Won't deny this but we've also seen that Dogs still won without an issue regardless of whether Daniel had any input into the game or not so teams might not see the value in tagging someone if it doesn't help them actually win a game. I'd also like to see whether he can bounce back from it as I'm sure teams have tried in the past.
I suppose I'm banking on Kosi coming in for Lewis who will miss a game through suspension and I also only put in a 35 point score to keep expectations very low. Would also say if you've got 3 of Highmore/Sharp/Kosi you're probably still better off long term moving them into something over fixing a 1 week problem as the above problem won't suddenly disappear.
Again, I think this is an over-reaction for mine.
Last two years Daniel has put up a 99 and a 101 average. Currently there are 13 players with a average of 99+, of that 13 I'd remove Lever, Hartley, Jiath as guys that are unproven/not going to maintain it. Pretty happy to put Houli in that bracket too just due to age and inability to play an entire season.
Currently has a group of 9 players - Ridley, Bowes, Houston, Mills, Short, Lloyd, Laird, Rich and Doch. Bowes, Houston and Rich have never hit these numbers before, Rich at 31 I see being 90s odd but not the 100+ so you're taking a bit of a risk/gamble on the other 2.
Now that's not to say others that currently not within this 99 bracket won't push up to it, but there isn't a massive list/or at least a massive list going well over this 100 mark.
Back to Daniel:
Round 1 he scored 107 - happy days.
Round 2 he scored 66 - 26 touches at 80% disposal efficiency, I can't help but feel that's a pretty unfortunate score.
Round 3 he scored 96 - That's a tick.
So in his first 3 rounds he's averaged 28 touches, 16 kicks, a touch under 5 marks and a bit over 2 tackles a game. What is there not to like about that stat line? I don't think anyone is honestly saying he's not showing the same signs he's shown in the previous couple of years or not in an expected role. The panic is purely from a single game where he's had a mare and had absolutely no impact on the game. Now I get why that would be a huge off-put and a worry but I think he's earned himself enough credits over the past couple of seasons to warrant sticking with him after one ****house performance.
I'm not in the 100% must keep boat but unless I'm somehow using his cash to turn into a guy like Gawn, I'm going to stick with him. Moving him over to a guy who might average 10 more points a season which will cost a trade and cash whilst I have plenty of other areas to better improve my average points gained per round, I just don't see this as the right move.
How much of this is actually true?
Round 1 - Kick-ins (play on): Caleb Daniel 6 (5), Bailey Dale 3 (3), Taylor Duryea 1 (1), Bailey Williams 1 (1).
Round 2 - Kick-ins (play on): Caleb Daniel 5 (5), Taylor Duryea 2 (2), Bailey Dale 1 (0), Bailey Williams 1 (1).
Round 3 - Kick-ins (play on): Claeb Daniel 6 (5), Taylor Duryea 2 (1), Bailey Dale 1 (1).
Round 4 - Kick-ins (play on): Bailey Dale 2 (2), Caleb Daniel 2 (1), Alex Keath 1 (0), Taylor Duryea 1 (1).
So Daniel has lead the kick in stats for every game bar last week where Brisbane only kicked 6 behinds for a game.
Won't deny this but we've also seen that Dogs still won without an issue regardless of whether Daniel had any input into the game or not so teams might not see the value in tagging someone if it doesn't help them actually win a game. I'd also like to see whether he can bounce back from it as I'm sure teams have tried in the past.
I suppose I'm banking on Kosi coming in for Lewis who will miss a game through suspension and I also only put in a 35 point score to keep expectations very low. Would also say if you've got 3 of Highmore/Sharp/Kosi you're probably still better off long term moving them into something over fixing a 1 week problem as the above problem won't suddenly disappear.
Again, I think this is an over-reaction for mine.
Last two years Daniel has put up a 99 and a 101 average. Currently there are 13 players with a average of 99+, of that 13 I'd remove Lever, Hartley, Jiath as guys that are unproven/not going to maintain it. Pretty happy to put Houli in that bracket too just due to age and inability to play an entire season.
Currently has a group of 9 players - Ridley, Bowes, Houston, Mills, Short, Lloyd, Laird, Rich and Doch. Bowes, Houston and Rich have never hit these numbers before, Rich at 31 I see being 90s odd but not the 100+ so you're taking a bit of a risk/gamble on the other 2.
Now that's not to say others that currently not within this 99 bracket won't push up to it, but there isn't a massive list/or at least a massive list going well over this 100 mark.
Back to Daniel:
Round 1 he scored 107 - happy days.
Round 2 he scored 66 - 26 touches at 80% disposal efficiency, I can't help but feel that's a pretty unfortunate score.
Round 3 he scored 96 - That's a tick.
So in his first 3 rounds he's averaged 28 touches, 16 kicks, a touch under 5 marks and a bit over 2 tackles a game. What is there not to like about that stat line? I don't think anyone is honestly saying he's not showing the same signs he's shown in the previous couple of years or not in an expected role. The panic is purely from a single game where he's had a mare and had absolutely no impact on the game. Now I get why that would be a huge off-put and a worry but I think he's earned himself enough credits over the past couple of seasons to warrant sticking with him after one ****house performance.
I'm not in the 100% must keep boat but unless I'm somehow using his cash to turn into a guy like Gawn, I'm going to stick with him. Moving him over to a guy who might average 10 more points a season which will cost a trade and cash whilst I have plenty of other areas to better improve my average points gained per round, I just don't see this as the right move.
I had some decent bank leftover from cashing out Neale end R3 and am now using Daniel to upgrade Meek to Gawn.
The Grundy, Flynn, Meek ruck line I started with has become a little sketchy, and this is probably the cheapest Max gets for a while.
if the funds from Daniel can be put to good use, torch him I say.
The Grundy, Flynn, Meek ruck line I started with has become a little sketchy, and this is probably the cheapest Max gets for a while.
if the funds from Daniel can be put to good use, torch him I say.
This.
I’ve used the funds from Daniel to get Ridley, who I believe will be a 15-20 point better player per game than Daniel over the course of the season. Even if Daniel turns it around and averages 95-100, I see more advantages in getting Ridley now than in 2-3 weeks time when he inevitably bangs out another 1-2 120+ scores and is even more pricey.
I’ve used the funds from Daniel to get Ridley, who I believe will be a 15-20 point better player per game than Daniel over the course of the season. Even if Daniel turns it around and averages 95-100, I see more advantages in getting Ridley now than in 2-3 weeks time when he inevitably bangs out another 1-2 120+ scores and is even more pricey.
Agree with Spifflicator. I appreciate both sides of the argument and decided on trading.
Have two good options:
daniel>chapman/jones and campbell/jordon>gawn gets me cash gen and R1 whilst flynn still r3
or
daniel>bowes and jordon>hickey gets me stepping stone to gawn and def keeper. 2nd option will get me more points per week and first option solves ruck problems for season. Is chapman a must have and go kosi>jones next week as i dont like trading campbell so soon, think he can restart cash gen and be onfield rookie as well as dpp. would prefer jordon>jones
Have two good options:
daniel>chapman/jones and campbell/jordon>gawn gets me cash gen and R1 whilst flynn still r3
or
daniel>bowes and jordon>hickey gets me stepping stone to gawn and def keeper. 2nd option will get me more points per week and first option solves ruck problems for season. Is chapman a must have and go kosi>jones next week as i dont like trading campbell so soon, think he can restart cash gen and be onfield rookie as well as dpp. would prefer jordon>jones
Just an initial response: I think if you can get Gawn now I’d do that. The estimated ppw is mitigated by the extra “stepping stone” trade, and may be negligible given Gawn’s historical reliability as a top Captain option. He also doesn’t look like getting much cheaper. Use Jordon to keep McDonald. Only other question is, does this option leave you exposed in defence?
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Thanks Zimmer
jordon, means d5-8 is clark, jones, kosi, highmore v campbell means clark/chapman/kosi/highmore and jones following week. effectively strengthening def and weakening fwd onfield rookies..
Both lose the rookie dpp connection to fwd line.
Long term i think getting chapman and jones is necessary given shortage of def rookie options.
jordon, means d5-8 is clark, jones, kosi, highmore v campbell means clark/chapman/kosi/highmore and jones following week. effectively strengthening def and weakening fwd onfield rookies..
Both lose the rookie dpp connection to fwd line.
Long term i think getting chapman and jones is necessary given shortage of def rookie options.
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Yeah your last point is what I would have said. It looks like the Def Premo options are pretty clear too, so personally I’d rather bring in one of them later than a speculative Bowes now.
But yeah, I’m basing these ideas on the back line and Gawn. The forward line obviously needs to be factored in...
But yeah, I’m basing these ideas on the back line and Gawn. The forward line obviously needs to be factored in...
Really good points on Daniel guys, especially @dylan123 as people haven't been talking up the hold case in a big way.
For me it's not so much about Daniel, as I would usually hold a player like that... it's that I'm still running Flynn and Meek as R1 and R2 and it's getting sketchier by the day. Given some cash reserves (thankyou Tex Walker) I can go straight from Daniel+Meek -> Gawn+Waterman.
I don't think Daniel falls off a cliff from here, but I think he's more likely to average 90-95 than 100-105 for the remaining games. He's currently my D5 but with Chapman at D6 and Jordan Clark to swing back from the mids I'm covered well enough to let him go.
For me it's not so much about Daniel, as I would usually hold a player like that... it's that I'm still running Flynn and Meek as R1 and R2 and it's getting sketchier by the day. Given some cash reserves (thankyou Tex Walker) I can go straight from Daniel+Meek -> Gawn+Waterman.
I don't think Daniel falls off a cliff from here, but I think he's more likely to average 90-95 than 100-105 for the remaining games. He's currently my D5 but with Chapman at D6 and Jordan Clark to swing back from the mids I'm covered well enough to let him go.