Strategy Round 8: Trades

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The 83k makes no tangible difference for the immediate future ( ~ 3 weeks).

FWIW I plan on having Oliver regardless at some point, so the question is more Kelly vs Oliver in terms of current value.

Does that change your view?
The 83k difference is something to take into consideration and worth mentioning as it isn't your standard x vs y where two players are priced similarly.

I am certainly not sold on Kelly after one good score out of 7 games. He played a similar role to what he played on the weekend during round 6 and scored just 69.

So still Oliver easily.
 
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Defender with kick in duties has become the easiest supercoach job in history. I already have 6 defenders but am thinking of bringing in May and keeping Laird in the middle. Will have trouble finishing my team with the poor cash cows and already have most of the top scorers. He has a bad historical game count but played every game last year and at least his injury this year wasn't fitness related.
It feels wrong but oh so right. :unsure:
 
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Defender with kick in duties has become the easiest supercoach job in history. I already have 6 defenders but am thinking of bringing in May and keeping Laird in the middle. Will have trouble finishing my team with the poor cash cows and already have most of the top scorers. He has a bad historical game count but played every game last year and at least his injury this year wasn't fitness related.
It feels wrong but oh so right. :unsure:
At worst if May doesn't look like a top tier defender premo he's a swap to a Whitfield or some other non Round 14 backman. My issue with him is that I don't have Lloyd or Whitfield and if I get May i'll have six defenders and don't really want Laird to remain my m8. Gotta take the value when it presents itself though sometimes.
 
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God forwards are rubbish, little surprised not seeing much love for Marshall, he's close to bottom price if fit.
I reckon Marshall might have another 30k to drop over the next 3 weeks, plus for me he just doesn't suit my bye structure (shares the Grawndy bye) & neither does Dale. So TFG is my only upgrade option as a round 12 premo is the only one I can afford to bring in right now. Marshall & Dale will have to wait for the byes.
Saints have GC (playing well and have Collins), Geelong and the Dogs as their next 3, I really want to see how he goes over those 3 weeks now Ryder is back as the clear #1 ruck. He's put up 86 against one of the worst teams in the league in a 70 point smashing and it the scoreboard is flattering to the Hawks.

Mostly it's about durability but I want his scoring proven up as well as seeing a very decent chance that he could have a low score or two and be a real bargain.


On point 1, what happens if there's a Patrick Cripps shaped hole in your team?

Asking for a friend of course.
Depends on what you see from Cripps. I personally still think he's a 90+ scorer on average and thus he's way down the list of priorities for upgrading but if he keeps scoring in the 60s then he very quickly becomes a major issue as he's losing big cash and not beating rookies.

It's a tough call, are his last two stinkers anomalies or the new normal.

The simple fact is that Teague genuinely seems to think he can play forward and not be awful, Walsh has clearly passed him as their best and most important midfielder, and he's been consistently bad since Teague took over.

Going to take something special for him to get off my never again list after what he did to me this year, both the selection and subsequent trade train I've ridden, but I'm one of the lucky ones who got out.

Oliver vs Jelly?

Was super convinced by Jelly's game last week, but doubts are still lingering regarding his role and durability.
If the money is irrelevant, it's Oliver by a country mile. If the money is relevant it's Oliver by the length of the Flemington straight...

I don't know why anyone is looking to jump on Kelly this week after one decent game against one of the weakest sides in the league. Which for those playing at home is his first decent score of the year with a coach that, at best, is a wildcard and a terrible durability record. If you've got Kelly, he's given you a reason to give him a few more weeks. If you don't have him you have no reason to be making decisions before he's got a couple more weeks on the board, especially given he's got the first bye and would make sense as a slingshot.

Simple fact is his role still wasn't great on the weekend, better yes, but not great.

Oliver on the other hand has scored really well through several of the best taggers in the league and looks insanely ominous and Melbourne are about to get a Sydney side who look like the 2019 version again, Carlton and Adelaide over the next three.
 
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Gulden > Frederick, Warner > Josh Kelly.

Still have duds like Cripps and Phillips stinking up my team. Maybe Phillips goes instead of Warner, but at this point I think I'm just gonna ride that spud into the ground and hope at some point he returns to his previous form.
Cripps was first trade of the season (was never committed to starting him. dumb dumb dumb) and phillips was the following round. As Rowsus explained to me, a better deal would have been starting a Steele and a rookie (Superprem and Rookie) would have made the decision to bring in likes of Tex, Impey easy as well. Enjoy your ride and hope your horse shows a bit of life at some stage. Again we conned ourselves that Cripps was a prem and Phillips could become one. neither are prems!!! As Wog outlines Cripps MAY sustain 90, Phillips is just putrid and turn him into Heeney at a suitable time.
 
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freowho said:
Defender with kick in duties has become the easiest supercoach job in history. I already have 6 defenders but am thinking of bringing in May and keeping Laird in the middle. Will have trouble finishing my team with the poor cash cows and already have most of the top scorers. He has a bad historical game count but played every game last year and at least his injury this year wasn't fitness related.
It feels wrong but oh so right. :unsure:
At worst if May doesn't look like a top tier defender premo he's a swap to a Whitfield or some other non Round 14 backman. My issue with him is that I don't have Lloyd or Whitfield and if I get May i'll have six defenders and don't really want Laird to remain my m8. Gotta take the value when it presents itself though sometimes.
May is an arbitrage play. Underpriced at last 18mths performance, most likely to get back to 500K. If he gets injured then easy sideways to Whitfield, Mills etc. Alternatives are not other def who have not yet bottomed but what other options are available, Fwds - Zorko, Sidey, Hall
Mids - Titch

Titch is not likely to break out and hurt you and I expect will still be available around byes at 500-540k. Zorko, Sidey Hall all have as much risk or more than May and little upside. Therefore May becomes the best available option to improve your team now and provides an additional 80-100K in spending money to get a better upgrade choice next week.
 
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Couldn't bring myself to Not trade this week... But I have managed to do just the 1 (I think).

ROWE (fwd) out & DPP shuffling = MAY (def) in

Got a few days to change my mind 20 times and probably reverse it 😂
 
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Need some help this week with word out that both Chapman and Ryan are both out this week.

I think Chapman to Frederick is a must trade, but for the second trade do I trade Jones to Murphy or go Ryan to May?

Hate trading out a premium for what could only be an additional week out, but making $130k in the process almost banks another trade.

Or do I look to generate some cash with Murphy with a double down this week?

Thoughts? 881E9E28-97D4-452B-96BD-0A4FAAB7E5C2.jpeg
 
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For those that didn’t bring in Chapman for Kosi we have a $250k player with a low BE in a year when cash is king v Chapman with a high BE.

It makes Frederick not as obvious a move.

Anyone else in this spot?
 
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For those that didn’t bring in Chapman for Kosi we have a $250k player with a low BE in a year when cash is king v Chapman with a high BE.

It makes Frederick not as obvious a move.

Anyone else in this spot?
No DPP magics?

Rowe OUT

Scott/Brockman/Facrae FWD

Laird MID

Frederick IN

First I have heard this problem mentioned Hondo, but you'd think it would be fairly common. Absolutely wouldn't be trading Kosi out just yet unless it was the best of a bad bunch of options.

I'm lucky to have the unicorn Nik Cox to trade out this week although I wish I could keep him longer :cry:
 
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Seeing a lot of posts about grabbing May, I've got one spot left in my backline with the likes of Lloyd, Whitfield, Mills and Short still available to me - what's the attraction of May? He's never been in any conversation that I can remember so just curious what I'm missing.
The main reason is value, at this stage of the year value is gold. Players like Brayshaw and May and maybe Heeney in a few weeks. It gets the rookies off field early and yes maybe not the super premium you would like but a May and Brayshaw is probably better then a Steele and a ****e rookie, at this point of the upgrade season.

May pick in itself is also not a bad pick, yes no Lloyd/Whitfield but a solid stretch of good games, fit with kick in duties, probably around the 90-100 average, hopefully closer to the 100 not bad for $400K.

With the not getting the super premium in the backs for the last spot is a problem, but I bet one of your/our starting backs will get injured at some point the way this season is going.
 
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The main reason is value, at this stage of the year value is gold. Players like Brayshaw and May and maybe Heeney in a few weeks. It gets the rookies off field early and yes maybe not the super premium you would like but a May and Brayshaw is probably better then a Steele and a ****e rookie, at this point of the upgrade season.

May pick in itself is also not a bad pick, yes no Lloyd/Whitfield but a solid stretch of good games, fit with kick in duties, probably around the 90-100 average, hopefully closer to the 100 not bad for $400K.

With the not getting the super premium in the backs for the last spot is a problem, but I bet one of your/our starting backs will get injured at some point the way this season is going.
Didn't realise I could even just do Chapman to May in 1 trade.
 
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On point 1, what happens if there's a Patrick Cripps shaped hole in your team?

Asking for a friend of course.
Cripps is definitely a problem, but I’m just upgrading around him and if still struggling trade out in his bye. Can’t see him losing much more cash now, surely.

He is getting the ball, mainly contested, plenty of cbas, great role just trying to do to much and the umpires hate him. Hoping the 60s at least become 90s and hoping more as a Carlton supporter that the old Cripps breaks out.
 
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