Opinion Questions For Rowsus

[Ricky Bobby]

Rowsus
After seeing tonight's game, do you still prefer Mitchie over Tyson?

 

[Nk29]

Rowsus
After seeing tonight's game, do you still prefer Mitchie over Tyson?

Por que no los dos

 

[DoggyODFL]

Rowsus
After seeing tonight's game, do you still prefer Mitchie over Tyson?

Tyson is at a top rookie price - last year people generally steered clear of the top priced rookies. This makes perfect sense when each rookie price player is producing a similar score. Problem is when the higher priced rookie is producing a better score. Last year that rookie was Ollie Wines - priced near the top end of rookies - but gave you the score that was worth it. Tyson showing all the signs to be that rookie for 2014

 

[Nk29]

Tyson is at a top rookie price - last year people generally steered clear of the top priced rookies. This makes perfect sense when each rookie price player is producing a similar score. Problem is when the higher priced rookie is producing a better score. Last year that rookie was Ollie Wines - priced near the top end of rookies - but gave you the score that was worth it. Tyson showing all the signs to be that rookie for 2014

ATM not sure who to drop out of Tyson, Polec, Michie, Ellis so I don't have a top priced rookie on the bench (or if I should just cop it and rotate based on who they are playing).

 

[DoggyODFL]

ATM not sure who to drop out of Tyson, Polec, Michie, Ellis so I don't have a top priced rookie on the bench (or if I should just cop it and rotate based on who they are playing).

Michie and Polec at 172K or Ellis at 159K can hardly be called top priced rookies this year. Could always go the emergency loophole option in the mids maybe if its a big concern

 

[Rowsus]

Rowsus
After seeing tonight's game, do you still prefer Mitchie over Tyson?

Tyson is at a top rookie price - last year people generally steered clear of the top priced rookies. This makes perfect sense when each rookie price player is producing a similar score. Problem is when the higher priced rookie is producing a better score. Last year that rookie was Ollie Wines - priced near the top end of rookies - but gave you the score that was worth it. Tyson showing all the signs to be that rookie for 2014

ATM not sure who to drop out of Tyson, Polec, Michie, Ellis so I don't have a top priced rookie on the bench (or if I should just cop it and rotate based on who they are playing).

Por que no los dos

To be honest, as Nk29 suggested in the last quote, I actually currently have both in my team. My team is currently sitting at 3-0-7, and as I said in another thread, I think that will be a popular structure this season.

 

[Nk29]

Michie and Polec at 172K or Ellis at 159K can hardly be called top priced rookies this year. Could always go the emergency loophole option in the mids maybe if its a big concern

Thing is there are viable 120k picks in Robertson and crouch who are a chance to start rd 1 so they are fairly top priced.

 

[Rowsus]

Hi Rowsus i was wondering what your thoughts were on starting with Whitfield this year? I realise from your breakout player thread it's too early to run that kind of analysis on the GWS players but i've been seriously considering Whitfield given the prospect of his and GWS's natural 3rd year progression coupled with their fairly soft early draw and the higher starting costs of the top end rookies.

I realise he's pretty awkwardly priced but with a 2013 average of only 73 i'm thinking he could bump his early average up to consistantly 90+ making some cash but more importantly giving valuable early points above what your run of the mill up and down cheap rookie will give you.

Any thoughts yourself or anyone has on this (or if i'm being a little silly) would be greatly appreciated.

Drew.

He's actually a 2nd year player, dont they tend to drop off a bit?

My bad you're right mate, still like him given it's GWS and the team as whole should be due some rapid improvement ala Gold Coast last year.

Priced at 73 and reaching 90 is not really good enough for a midfielder IMO. Daisy is also about 50k cheaper and has similar if not better prospects.

I think all GWS players should be avoided, unless you can find a Rookie below $200k you want to punt on, or think Mummy or Shaw are the goods. GWS don't generate enough points to warrant spending big bucks, or speculating on low/midpricers.
2nd year blues isn't really a thing, IMO. Players score above their pricing (usually) in their Rookie year. In the second year they are priced too high to be Cash cows, but don't score high enough to be keepers. Most of them actually progress in their second year, just not enough to be SC relevant.
tracygrims is right. If you are thinking of speculating on a POD, before you do it, it is very prudent to look at the similar priced players you might be passing up to get your POD in.

 

[Rowsus]

I understand where Mudflap is coming form with this but also understand your point too Rowsus.
Nothing wrong with targeting some mid pricers at the back, especially when they are generally up and down each week.
But I think you need to choose carefully and target value players that could score well enough to be a lock. eg. Possibly Swallow.
From what I have read I think Inpromptu is steering clear or Mitchell, Walker and McVeigh and looking for better value as it would then allow him to take a premo mid where you can always get good scores.
However surely having Mitchell and McVeigh as locks is like having a mid but as a defender.
It is a tough call whether to spend the $ down back on a Mitchell or a McVeigh or try and look for more value.
What do you think?

I think if you are going to speculate, then the Defense is the best area to do it, followed by the Forward line. I think taking one of the higher priced Defs is ok, but I think there is danger in loading up on too many of them. Defenders traditionally can be fickle, and backing all the high priced ones in, is like backing all the favourites at the races. You will have a couple of wins, and do better than the guy that backs Roughies all day, but you will end up losing most weeks, just.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Hi Rowsus,
Hey as a Dees supporter could you fill this in to give me your idea of likely round 1 team for Melbourne ?

Melbourne Round 1 Team

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Emg:

 

[bianchije]

If you guys had an unlimited budget and were only worried about about score at the end of the season, what 6 forwards do you choose?
I'm struggling personally, whether its rookie, mid-pricer or premium nothing seems to work (esp if you consider byes)

 

[Rowsus]

Hi Rowsus,
Hey as a Dees supporter could you fill this in to give me your idea of likely round 1 team for Melbourne ?

I'll have to give that some thought, and get back to you Oz.

 

[Rowsus]

If you guys had an unlimited budget and were only worried about about score at the end of the season, what 6 forwards do you choose?
I'm struggling personally, whether its rookie, mid-pricer or premium nothing seems to work (esp if you consider byes)

So in other Words, what you are looking for is the 6 Forwards I think will have the highest PIT70 score for the season, where their missing games are replaced by a 70 point Rookie.
My 6 are : Dangerfield, Martin, Harvey, Wingard, Roughead, Riewoldt N.

 

[Prochard]

So in other Words, what you are looking for is the 6 Forwards I think will have the highest PIT70 score for the season, where their missing games are replaced by a 70 point Rookie.
My 6 are : Dangerfield, Martin, Harvey, Wingard, Roughead, Riewoldt N.

Does that mean you won't be selecting franklin in your initial squad? Or do u think franklin will miss games

 

[Rowsus]

Does that mean you won't be selecting franklin in your initial squad? Or do u think franklin will miss games

Not at all. He's in there...... for now! It's not just about picking the highest scorers when picking your Premiums. If Player A is going to score 50 less than Player B for the entire season, but Player A costs $75k less, I'm going to take Player A!

 

[soidog]

I'll have a go at it for you ORF, while Rowsus has a kip on the other side of the world.

Backs: Dunn, Frawley, Terlich

H/Backs; Grimes, McDonald, Clisby

Centres: Watts, Tyson, M. Jones

H/Forwards: Vince, Dawes, Trengove

Forwards: Howe, Hogan, JKH

Rucks: Spencer, N Jones, Cross

I/C: Michie, Fitzpatrick, Georgiou

Sub: Toumpas

Emergencies: Byrnes, Pederson, Nicholson or Kent

The above assumes Garland, Jamar, Gawn, Viney and Mitch Clark won't be right for round 1 and Georgiou is elevated from the rookie list, which I'm sure he will be.
Re the sub, I'm guessing Roos will go with the more mature body of Matt Jones over Toumpas, who could be eased into the season.
Just a red flag on Georgiou, he may miss when Garland is ready to return. As was mentioned in another thread, he is competing with Clisby for a spot. Georgiou is 188cm and 88kgs, Clisby is 182cm and 83kgs, so it may well come down to match ups on the day.

Hope this helps and will be interested to see Rowsus' version.

 

[Blaze]

ATM not sure who to drop out of Tyson, Polec, Michie, Ellis so I don't have a top priced rookie on the bench (or if I should just cop it and rotate based on who they are playing).

I have them all locked!

 

[OzRulesFootball]

I'll have a go at it for you ORF, while Rowsus has a kip on the other side of the world.

Backs: Dunn, Frawley, Terlich

H/Backs; Grimes, McDonald, Clisby

Centres: Watts, Tyson, M. Jones

H/Forwards: Vince, Dawes, Trengove

Forwards: Howe, Hogan, JKH

Rucks: Spencer, N Jones, Cross

I/C: Michie, Fitzpatrick, Georgiou

Sub: Toumpas

Emergencies: Byrnes, Pederson, Nicholson or Kent

The above assumes Garland, Jamar, Gawn, Viney and Mitch Clark won't be right for round 1 and Georgiou is elevated from the rookie list, which I'm sure he will be.
Re the sub, I'm guessing Roos will go with the more mature body of Matt Jones over Toumpas, who could be eased into the season.
Just a red flag on Georgiou, he may miss when Garland is ready to return. As was mentioned in another thread, he is competing with Clisby for a spot. Georgiou is 188cm and 88kgs, Clisby is 182cm and 83kgs, so it may well come down to match ups on the day.

Hope this helps and will be interested to see Rowsus' version.

Thanks mate.
That is very interesting.

Funny how they gave Jesse Hogan a hit in ruck yesterday.
I think he will be up forward in the real stuff.
Would not surprise me if he kicked over 40 goals in his first season.

Looking forward to see more of Jack Viney play and Toumpas develop, not for SC but just for real footy in general.
Both have a lot to offer for many seasons to come.

Will be interested to see if Jayden Hunt gets a run sometime this season at all.
Not seen him in NAB Cup so I suspect not, but worth a look when he does get a gig.

Fitzpatrick impressed me with his efforts in 2nd quarter the other night.
Think he'll play most games this season, either in ruck or helping Jamar and stints up forward too.
Hopefully I'm not confusing him with Spencer as I could easily be mixing up the names....lol

Geez, If I pick Georgiou, hopefully he gets to 7 or 8 games before your LTI list is clear, otherwise you are right, he will be unable to play if no one on LTI later.

 

[Manikato1]

Would not surprise me if he kicked over 40 goals in his first season.

IMO that would be a big ask OZ. I think Ipod would be the last player to kick 40 or more in a debut season and he was not really a "rookie" debut. I think Hogan will be an exciting prospect but like a lot of people I think he will be work in progress for a few seasons. J Cameron is supposedly the next forward excitement machine but he hasn't kicked 40 yet in a season. On the other side of the coin Cameron did ave 62 in his first year so that would be a fair return for a rookie forward.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

It is a big ask for young forward in team down in bottom parts of ladder but if any young guy can do it, Hogan is the one.
I'm not saying he will do it, just saying it would not surprise me if he did.
Big kid for his age. Bit like how both Rocca's were big kids when they debuted.
I think he has more to him though...