Discussion 2022: Rate My Team

[GrainFedBeef]

Rookies will change big time by kick off

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I'll be honest - I like it all bar the Goldstein pick. I think with Goldy at that price there's little to no improvement and personally would rather spend less on betting a younger ruckman may significantly improve like an English/Obrien, tbh I wouldn't do that either. I'd rather look at Preuss or the Big O if I wasn't taking Gawn/Darcy to pair with Grundy.

Well covered across the ground.

I think take Goldy to Witts who atleast is undervalued by $100k. Big O may or may not be underpriced, hard to say how much injuries impacted him. Ideally it will be a Preuss or someone else at R2 with a solid R3.

Great depth in defence. If 4 mids, then I would want to see a bit more spent on the rookies whether JHF, constable type options plus Hobbs.

Not convinced on Treloar (who CBA's reduced once Dunkley back in the finals) or Gresham who reportedly is playing more forward.

 

[tso]

Well covered across the ground.

I think take Goldy to Witts who atleast is undervalued by $100k. Big O may or may not be underpriced, hard to say how much injuries impacted him. Ideally it will be a Preuss or someone else at R2 with a solid R3.

Great depth in defence. If 4 mids, then I would want to see a bit more spent on the rookies whether JHF, constable type options plus Hobbs.

Not convinced on Treloar (who CBA's reduced once Dunkley back in the finals) or Gresham who reportedly is playing more forward.

Yeah i dont know why i picked Goldy

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Yeah i dont know why i picked Goldy

At this time of the year, we are all either seek no value and go super thin around the grounds or we seek value to stretch our premiums/mid pricers. Once we have clear idea of rookies then we will upgrade some of our picks hopefully if in the value camp. Goldy not a bad pick although think he has a 2nd ruck now in the team.

 

[OnTopBar]

At this time of the year, we are all either seek no value and go super thin around the grounds or we seek value to stretch our premiums/mid pricers. Once we have clear idea of rookies then we will upgrade some of our picks hopefully if in the value camp. Goldy not a bad pick although think he has a 2nd ruck now in the team.

I'm firmly in the 'value' camp, went full gun's n rookies last year (including 2 x rookie rucks) and really struggled to generate the $ to complete the team.

 

[Leroy]

I'm firmly in the 'value' camp, went full gun's n rookies last year (including 2 x rookie rucks) and really struggled to generate the $ to complete the team.

With the way the MN 'inflates' starting prices relative to output vs mid-season, the game almost forces you to seek some value.

If you can get away with not overpaying for your starting picks and hit the value keepers (Cogs?) you're a long way to having success. For example, if you think Walsh improves to 120 and Macrae drops back to low 120s then start Walsh and bank the 50k to use elsewhere.

 

[Vicwood]

That is a massive stumbling block; I'm not sure if I'll have to sacrifice a gun mid to get 4 premium defenders or not.

Lots of value in the FWD line.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

I'm firmly in the 'value' camp, went full gun's n rookies last year (including 2 x rookie rucks) and really struggled to generate the $ to complete the team.

With the way the MN 'inflates' starting prices relative to output vs mid-season, the game almost forces you to seek some value.

If you can get away with not overpaying for your starting picks and hit the value keepers (Cogs?) you're a long way to having success. For example, if you think Walsh improves to 120 and Macrae drops back to low 120s then start Walsh and bank the 50k to use elsewhere.

I chase money generation in my structure and rookies, less so in my premiums. I started the 4 most expensive players last year (mistake) and my value player like Taranto didn't turn out that well either. Picking break out value is higher risk, whereas ziebell impey and Daniher paid off, as has picked top 5 draft players in last few years.

Ironically Neale to Tex freed up $450k and gave me more scoring power. Surprised me having less premiums and better output, which helped me get to 211 ranking in round 7 (after being 20k round 1) before I pulled back the lever, as going for league wins and upgrading too early in the season has risks associated with it if not chasing proven premiums.

This year again will try to focus on quality premiums and players up to $270k, such as Cogs as Leroy has suggested. Value premiums may be a Tom Mitchell over a top 3-4 mid or maybe a Heeney, Butters type player.

Rookie rucks just dont give alternatives if their role is not sustainable. What I learnt was dont try to get 13-14 premiums, 12 or so plus then plenty of money making $200-250k works well, particular if you eliminate the weak rookies which you just trade out anyway at face value. Partly on the Tex success my team value peak at $14.2m which is my best ever. However, don't expect I will easily see that gift horse again in round 3, although the year prior we saw Howe/Brayshaw (or was it Viney) provide huge upside value (which I missed and cost me dearly).

 

[Davos61]

!st Draft only 10 premiums so far may have to tinker !!
Defenders

J.Lloyd $586,600 J.Short $535,200 L.Whitfield $502,600 MID C.Dean $102,400
J.Henry $447,400 J.Gibcus $171,300 J.Burgoyne $117,300 MID P.Voss $102,400 FWD

Midfielders
J.Macrae $699,900 C.Oliver $672,000 O.Wines $612,600 J.Rachele $184,800 FWD
C.Constable $213,400 J.Horne-Francis $207,300 N.Daicos $193,800 J.Ward $180,300
B.Hobbs $153,300 S.Butler $117,300 FWD G.Clark $117,300


Rucks

M.Gawn $657,400 N.Naitanui $627,400 D.Akuei DEF $102,400

Forwards

M.Duncan $540,000 MID D.Martin $503,500 MID
A.Treloar $483,200 MID J.Anderson $401,700 MID C.Hamilton $102,400 MID
C.Rayner $278,600 S.Coniglio $261,300 MID J.Motlop $117,300

 

[Buddy Starmart]

 

[OnTopBar]

With the way the MN 'inflates' starting prices relative to output vs mid-season, the game almost forces you to seek some value.

If you can get away with not overpaying for your starting picks and hit the value keepers (Cogs?) you're a long way to having success. For example, if you think Walsh improves to 120 and Macrae drops back to low 120s then start Walsh and bank the 50k to use elsewhere.

Still learning, currently only have 2 players that are priced at what I think their ave. will be, Lloyd and Duncan

A few MP/stepping stones, Milera, Caldwell, Witts, Reeves, Preuss, D Rioli and Cogs. Fingers crossed 2 of those will be keepers.

A couple of players dependant on role change/mid time in Maynard and Heeney

2 x speculators in Bowes and Thomas

The rest being underpriced/value premiums, Sicily, Mitchell, Walsh, Petracca, Dunkley, Neale.

4 x onfield rookies.

Taking a bit of a gamble with the ruckline but could combine Witts and Reeves to Grundy and rookie (Preuss to R2) if they're not looking ok, of course if they all go to poo then I'm in ****ters ditch.

So if things go really well then I'll get away with 7 upgrades, reckon I could go to 10 upgrades dependant on cash generation and injuries

 

[Manikato1]

If you wish to go down the stepping stone road @OnTopBar then below is some info published previously on this site by some of our members that might help you make some of those tricky decisions. Plenty of clever people on this site giving info for free which is what makes it so good.

 

[OnTopBar]

If you wish to go down the stepping stone road @OnTopBar then below is some info published previously on this site by some of our members that might help you make some of those tricky decisions. Plenty of clever people on this site giving info for free which is what makes it so good.


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Thanks very much for that info, it really does help in making a decision on whether to run a rookie against a MP/stepping stone from a cash generating perspective.

My stepping stones :

Milera. $271,100 Needs to ave. 89 to make $150k or 72 to make $80k
Caldwell. $266,700 Needs to ave. 88 to make $150k or 71 to make $80k
Witts. $380,300 Needs to ave. 110 to make $150k or 93 to make $80k
Reeves. $358,800 Needs to ave. 106 to make $150k or 89 to make $80k
Preuss. $204,700 Needs to ave. 76 to make $150k or 59 to make $80k
D.Rioli $336,000 Needs to ave. 101 to make $150k or 84 to make $80k
Cogs. $261,000 Needs to ave. 87 to make $150k or 70 to make $80k

6 of the 7 above are onfield with Preuss on the pine who is basically a playing rookie and a bit of insurance for a weak ruckline. My hope is that 2 of Witts, Rioli or Cogs get to that minimum keeper level, the latter two's DPP status is also a consideration. Reeves hopefully can hit a 90 ave. with his high HOTA.

I do like the cash held in the value of stepping stones as an upgrade to a premo would only take 2 trades, most times it's 3 or more depending on the cost of the premo.

Anyway, it's been a good exercise for me to undertake and something that I can apply to value/speculative picks as well.

 

[Bontempele]

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Looks solid! Not a big fan of Rachele - I think he'll probably struggle to score well playing small forward, although Rozee's first season is a counter to that!

Think it's unlikely we'll have access to 5 defender rookies, so you may have to swap things around a bit there. But that can wait until the Thursday before round 1!

 

[randomcliche]

Interesting exercise at this time of year. My last cuts were:
Defence: Sicily, Lloyd.
Mids: throw a blanket over top 4, then Titch, Yeo.
Rucks: I'm strangely comfortable with this line, despite the cash on the pine.
Forwards: Heeney, Duncan, & young roos Thomas&Anderson.
Rookies, I'll slot pedlar in there don't worry...STS.

From the teams so far structures I've seen run 13 premos + Cogs. 12 Premos + 2 or 3 of Cogs/Gresh/Berry/Milera; or people like me who just go fkit, lets have all of the midpriced pain, 11 permos.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

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Interesting exercise at this time of year. My last cuts were:
Defence: Sicily, Lloyd.
Mids: throw a blanket over top 4, then Titch, Yeo.
Rucks: I'm strangely comfortable with this line, despite the cash on the pine.
Forwards: Heeney, Duncan, & young roos Thomas&Anderson.
Rookies, I'll slot pedlar in there don't worry...STS.

From the teams so far structures I've seen run 13 premos + Cogs. 12 Premos + 2 or 3 of Cogs/Gresh/Berry/Milera; or people like me who just go fkit, lets have all of the midpriced pain, 11 permos.

I like it, although probably count 9 premiums. would likely cut Curnow and Coleman and Gresham and upgrade where possible.

Having said that, I did have 4 premium defenders and Clark and Butts last year, which showed the lack of rookies.

 

[BIGB0Y]

My latest team and I’m pretty happy with it.
It will change another 1000 times but that’s the fun of it.

 

[Bontempele]

Looks solid! Not a big fan of Rachele - I think he'll probably struggle to score well playing small forward, although Rozee's first season is a counter to that!

Think it's unlikely we'll have access to 5 defender rookies, so you may have to swap things around a bit there. But that can wait until the Thursday before round 1!

On second thoughts, if Rachele plays high half-forward, I could see him averaging 60-65 with good JS and being a decent pick. Stephenson and Taranto were also around 65 in their first seasons as a top 6 pick playing small forward.

 

[randomcliche]

I like it, although probably count 9 premiums. would likely cut Curnow and Coleman and Gresham and upgrade where possible.

Having said that, I did have 4 premium defenders and Clark and Butts last year, which showed the lack of rookies.

9 keeprs! You've got high standards. I'll take a stab and say butters and treloar didnt make the list because of their price have their own special near premo category for you? Or just straight up mid pricer pain. For me I consider them premos because by the time they've made $120k or so they're scoring at keeper level. If they're not doing that they're not keepers and they're not cash cows, so they're list clogging dead wood. For me mid pricers are well south of $420k, even more so in the forward line, probably <$370k. The other thing I do is make an ultra premo category. This is players like Lloyd, Gawn, Macrae, say Zorko last season who are in a bracket circa 10ppg+ above the others. This might mean that there is only 16-18 UP spots because there is often a couple of defenders or forwards who are so far above D6, F6 that it just hurts if you don't have them. Ex Ante I don't know that we'll get 22 UPs... which is why I'm a bit looser in the premo tag than some. Anyone who can average at D9, M12, R3, F9 level if you squint gets the tick for me!

 

[GrainFedBeef]

9 keeprs! You've got high standards. I'll take a stab and say butters and treloar didnt make the list because of their price have their own special near premo category for you? Or just straight up mid pricer pain. For me I consider them premos because by the time they've made $120k or so they're scoring at keeper level. If they're not doing that they're not keepers and they're not cash cows, so they're list clogging dead wood. For me mid pricers are well south of $420k, even more so in the forward line, probably <$370k. The other thing I do is make an ultra premo category. This is players like Lloyd, Gawn, Macrae, say Zorko last season who are in a bracket circa 10ppg+ above the others. This might mean that there is only 16-18 UP spots because there is often a couple of defenders or forwards who are so far above D6, F6 that it just hurts if you don't have them. Ex Ante I don't know that we'll get 22 UPs... which is why I'm a bit looser in the premo tag than some. Anyone who can average at D9, M12, R3, F9 level if you squint gets the tick for me!

Ha ha whilst our intention want Butters Treloar to be keepers, may judgement is purely factual based on history.

Otherwise you would have a team of midpricers and be wondering where it all went wrong at round 8.

Butters a good chance to be a keeper.

Treloar role hard to define with Dunkley back in the side.

I don’t subscribe that we will not get all the uber premiums we want, otherwise that how I ended up with Taranto. I paid $680k for Bont and Miller mid season so comfortable we can get there.

 

[BIGB0Y]

Ha ha whilst our intention want Butters Treloar to be keepers, may judgement is purely factual based on history.

Otherwise you would have a team of midpricers and be wondering where it all went wrong at round 8.

Butters a good chance to be a keeper.

Treloar role hard to define with Dunkley back in the side.

I don’t subscribe that we will not get all the uber premiums we want, otherwise that how I ended up with Taranto. I paid $680k for Bont and Miller mid season so comfortable we can get there.

I believe butters will be a keeper