2022: AFL SC Player Discussions

[NT.Thunder]

Maybe, but if you start mid priced rucks and need to upgrade them and also get hit with Covid outs at the same time you're going to be in alot of trouble.

What ifs!

Same could be said for any line regarding Covid outs, the fact of the matter here is that we will have the option to double downgrade and generate much more cash for a single upgrade if required which was never an option previously throughout the season. That made it really hard to fix the ruckline to generate cash needed for a Gawn or Grundy - not this season.

And who said anything about mid-priced rucks

 

[Eagling]

What ifs!

Same could be said for any line regarding Covid outs, the fact of the matter here is that we will have the option to double downgrade and generate much more cash for a single upgrade if required which was never an option previously throughout the season. That made it really hard to fix the ruckline to generate cash needed for a Gawn or Grundy - not this season.

And who said anything about mid-priced rucks

My man starting with Comben Hayes ruck line.

Respect.

 

[Leroy]

My man starting with Comben Hayes ruck line.

Respect.

If you think they'll play at least 6 out of the first 7 games and score well, why not go Preuss|Hayes|Comben?

Pick an R/F in your forward line as insurance and use the trade boost as your get out of jail move.

If you started like that and the rookie rucks play and deliver the points you could be well on the way

 

[NT.Thunder]

My man starting with Comben Hayes ruck line.

Respect.

 

[Eagling]

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Not brave enough to risk missing out on Darcy's ceiling and (hopefully) Grundy's resurgence myself but it could pay off.

EDIT: That midfield holy moly.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Not brave enough to risk missing out on Darcy's ceiling and (hopefully) Grundy's resurgence myself but it could pay off.

EDIT: That midfield holy moly.

Yeah I’m pretty certain my rucks will be very different come round 1 but we’ll see

 

[Sabretooth Tigers]

Meant to place a quote from BB here regarding ongoing reclassification of Dpp during the season but stuffed it up. Sorry guys and gals.

Perhaps a hidden danger here. Players already chosen could lose their DPP. As an example Duncan is a Mid/For and week 7 you swing him into the forward line. Week 8 he is reclassified as a mid only. Apart from his loss of DPP you have him forward so what happens to the structure of your team, how is he reallocated to your midfield? And do you get a special trade to cover this or is it already one of the extra 5 ? Perhaps the answer to this could be, one extra trade to facilitate the move to his new positiun and perhaps one weeks grace to get it done. After that if he is still out of position he doesn't score until he is. Thoughts anyone ?

 

[Tamuhawk]

Meant to place a quote from BB here reharding ongoing reclassification of Dpp during the season but stuffed it up. Sorry guys and gals.

Perhaps a hidden danger here. Players already chosen could lose their DPP. As an example Duncan is a Mid/For and week 7 you swing him into the forward line Week 8 he is reclassified as a mid only. Apart from his loss of DPP you have him forward so what happens to the structure of your team, how is he reallocated to your midfield? And do you get a special trade to cover this or is it already one of the extra 5 ?

Pretty sure if they already have dpp, they can't lose it. They'll only be adding a position to a player who currently doesn't have DPP. Impossible for a player to lose their dpp and get stuck on a certain line.

 

[wogitalia]

Pretty sure if they already have dpp, they can't lose it. They'll only be adding a position to a player who currently doesn't have DPP. Impossible for a player to lose their dpp and get stuck on a certain line.

This is how it works in AFLF, players can only gain DPP not lose. It would be impossible to program for position removal as players either have more defenders (e.g) than allowed or someone playing in a position they don't have.

I must say though that I'd actually love it as a feature if they had players lose position. Would give a really good incentive to pick position change guys. For example, say I pick Heeney (FWD), and at round 6 he has only played pure midfield so he changes to MID and loses FWD, those who started him get an advantage of keeping him FWD (with ability to move to MID and be stuck there if they want). Means only those who get on before the position change can have the player. Would be a great way of creating genuine differentiation in teams and rewards for taking punts on players to start with.

Would never happen but I think it would actually be a good change.

 

[Herbie66]

Meant to place a quote from BB here regarding ongoing reclassification of Dpp during the season but stuffed it up. Sorry guys and gals.

Perhaps a hidden danger here. Players already chosen could lose their DPP. As an example Duncan is a Mid/For and week 7 you swing him into the forward line. Week 8 he is reclassified as a mid only. Apart from his loss of DPP you have him forward so what happens to the structure of your team, how is he reallocated to your midfield? And do you get a special trade to cover this or is it already one of the extra 5 ? Perhaps the answer to this could be, one extra trade to facilitate the move to his new positiun and perhaps one weeks grace to get it done. After that if he is still out of position he doesn't score until he is. Thoughts anyone ?

Players can only be ASSIGNED DPP status.

 

[Sabretooth Tigers]

Excellent. Thanks guys.

 

[Professor]

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[Darkie]

Just had a look at the DPP additions in AFL Fantasy last year.

These may not have been mirrored in SC (had the new rules been in place then), but I thought it would add some sort of context.

There aren’t as many SC relevant changes as I might have expected.

I may miss some, but these are the premiums or near-premiums that caught my eye.

I’m ignoring anyone adding MID or RUC status, because you’d likely want to field them in their other line anyway. The flexibility of having two positions is handy, but not the free kick that a “midfielder available as a FWD” often is.


First wave of additions:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...fantasy-dual-position-additions-round-six/amp

Adding DEF
Heppell
Sinclair (at a real stretch - 21 games @ 86, priced at 79 initially)

Adding FWD
J Kelly
Fyfe
Hunter
Darcy
English
Ceglar


And the second wave:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...ps-revealed-draft-coaches-set-for-big-win/amp

Add DEF
Mayne
Perryman

Add FWD
Pendles

Observations:
- There aren’t as many relevant premium moves as I might have expected.

- The addition of FWD status is more common than DEF. This seems to be in part because both MIDs and RUCs are liable to become FWDs. To me this suggests not locking our FWD lines too early (eg starting with 5 or 6 premiums).

- There are significantly fewer DPPs added in the second wave. To me this suggests that we don’t need to keep many DEF/FWD spots open for R12 additions, unless we have an indication that someone really valuable has been playing up forward or down back.

- The FWD additions seem to be more appealing than the DEFs. This is partly because forwards generally score lower, and partly because the better rucks/mids are more likely to play time forward than back. Darcy available as a FWD seems like a no brainer, whereas Heppell as a DEF is handy, but not season defining if you don’t have him.

 

[freowho]

How is Heppell's preseason going? He scored very well last year once he settled in.

 

[wogitalia]

Just had a look at the DPP additions in AFL Fantasy last year.

These may not have been mirrored in SC (had the new rules been in place then), but I thought it would add some sort of context.

There aren’t as many SC relevant changes as I might have expected.

I may miss some, but these are the premiums or near-premiums that caught my eye.

I’m ignoring anyone adding MID or RUC status, because you’d likely want to field them in their other line anyway. The flexibility of having two positions is handy, but not the free kick that a “midfielder available as a FWD” often is.


First wave of additions:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...fantasy-dual-position-additions-round-six/amp

Adding DEF
Heppell
Sinclair (at a real stretch - 21 games @ 86, priced at 79 initially)

Adding FWD
J Kelly
Fyfe
Hunter
Darcy
English
Ceglar


And the second wave:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...ps-revealed-draft-coaches-set-for-big-win/amp

Add DEF
Mayne
Perryman

Add FWD
Pendles

Observations:
- There aren’t as many relevant premium moves as I might have expected.

- The addition of FWD status is more common than DEF. This seems to be in part because both MIDs and RUCs are liable to become FWDs. To me this suggests not locking our FWD lines too early (eg starting with 5 or 6 premiums).

- There are significantly fewer DPPs added in the second wave. To me this suggests that we don’t need to keep many DEF/FWD spots open for R12 additions, unless we have an indication that someone really valuable has been playing up forward or down back.

- The FWD additions seem to be more appealing than the DEFs. This is partly because forwards generally score lower, and partly because the better rucks/mids are more likely to play time forward than back. Darcy available as a FWD seems like a no brainer, whereas Heppell as a DEF is handy, but not season defining if you don’t have him.

It's not that much but the reality is that Fyfe, Darcy and Kelly are all top 5 type forwards, so they're huge changes, especially given they go from failing midfield picks to game breaking forward selections. Darcy in SC would be the best forward by 20 points a week!

Still the premium end is the minor end, the rookie end is where the action is most impactful, basically if your premiums are changing it's pretty much a bad thing (outside those guys getting MID added just for pure flexibility) because it means they're playing in a less valuable position, I guess FWD getting DEF is also a positive.

You kind of diminish the Heppell change but that's actually the most fundamentally important change of the whole lot because the likelihood of that change genuinely changes his entire dynamic as a starting pick because he goes from a 0.01% chance of being keeper to actually a genuinely good keeper chance. He's actually the player that is the most important kind to see in the mids, guys who are well underpriced that are changing to lucrative roles in lesser positions are the only ones you really want to worry about this stuff at the start of the season. Heppell in his role last year as a forward or back would have been a lock starting pick type instead of a highly speculative one. Obviously this pool is very limited because there aren't many roles for mids to go to that can lead to similar scoring.

Mostly the DPP changes bail out some failed starting picks and punish those who finish the forwards early. There's nothing worse than having your 6 forwards set for 2 guys scoring 10 points a game more to suddenly be forwards, it's a likely 3+ trades you can't afford while others get to shift there and target the bigger and better midfield base for their upgrades. The fact they hide these changes is what makes it terrible, knowing a change is coming can be planned and is far less luck based at that point but hiding it and making it a retrospective change that's, basically, random and arbitrary that has a huge impact on teams.

 

[Darkie]

It's not that much but the reality is that Fyfe, Darcy and Kelly are all top 5 type forwards, so they're huge changes, especially given they go from failing midfield picks to game breaking forward selections. Darcy in SC would be the best forward by 20 points a week!

Still the premium end is the minor end, the rookie end is where the action is most impactful, basically if your premiums are changing it's pretty much a bad thing (outside those guys getting MID added just for pure flexibility) because it means they're playing in a less valuable position, I guess FWD getting DEF is also a positive.

You kind of diminish the Heppell change but that's actually the most fundamentally important change of the whole lot because the likelihood of that change genuinely changes his entire dynamic as a starting pick because he goes from a 0.01% chance of being keeper to actually a genuinely good keeper chance. He's actually the player that is the most important kind to see in the mids, guys who are well underpriced that are changing to lucrative roles in lesser positions are the only ones you really want to worry about this stuff at the start of the season. Heppell in his role last year as a forward or back would have been a lock starting pick type instead of a highly speculative one. Obviously this pool is very limited because there aren't many roles for mids to go to that can lead to similar scoring.

Mostly the DPP changes bail out some failed starting picks and punish those who finish the forwards early. There's nothing worse than having your 6 forwards set for 2 guys scoring 10 points a game more to suddenly be forwards, it's a likely 3+ trades you can't afford while others get to shift there and target the bigger and better midfield base for their upgrades. The fact they hide these changes is what makes it terrible, knowing a change is coming can be planned and is far less luck based at that point but hiding it and making it a retrospective change that's, basically, random and arbitrary that has a huge impact on teams.

It’s an interesting point you make regarding Heppell. My initial reaction was that it’s a big deal for Heppell’s keeper chances, but that isn’t really the focus because noone would have had him anyway, being a low end mid in Classic …

… but I had forgotten how cheap he was to start last season ($319k), he was actually in many versions of my preseason drafts!

 

[freowho]

It’s an interesting point you make regarding Heppell. My initial reaction was that it’s a big deal for Heppell’s keeper chances, but that isn’t really the focus because noone would have had him anyway, being a low end mid in Classic …

… but I had forgotten how cheap he was to start last season ($319k), he was actually in many versions of my preseason drafts!

Could Dylan Shiel start as a forward and rotate with Stringer after the bounce and get Forward status?

 

[wogitalia]

It’s an interesting point you make regarding Heppell. My initial reaction was that it’s a big deal for Heppell’s keeper chances, but that isn’t really the focus because noone would have had him anyway, being a low end mid in Classic …

… but I had forgotten how cheap he was to start last season ($319k), he was actually in many versions of my preseason drafts!

Yep, he's the exact type that this rule changes in the preseason. Berry is probably the standout this year in that group who could conceivably get forward status if used there and eased into things at all but I'd hazard to guess no one would want to start him if that was what was happening.

Caldwell and Constable are probably the other two in that group worth mentioning though Caldwell again probably not worth picking if he could. Constable rumoured across half back though definitely becomes interesting but he's so cheap he probably picks himself anyway.

Daicos and JHF both become much stronger picks with the likelihood they could get DPP of some fashion.

Could Dylan Shiel start as a forward and rotate with Stringer after the bounce and get Forward status?

It's possible and he's probably cheap enough to have value if that was the case but boy it would be a gutsy pick!

 

[Merv Neagle]

How is Heppell's preseason going? He scored very well last year once he settled in.

From what i have seen and read he is going well, didn't have much of a preseason lsst year to injury. So very positive and he is still the skipper

 

[Connoisseur]

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