Position 2022: Ruck Discussion

[wogitalia]

Do you regard Preuss as an option?

Maybe. If I went Preuss I really need another <250k option for the bench spot or some kind of DPP cover. I don't trust Cameron, does too many stupid and unpredictable things as a coach, and honestly I really rate Flynn so outside the Cameron factor I'd think he should be in the drivers seat.

Definitely not ruled out at this point though, he's the clear strongest option but at the moment I think he's more in my R3 scope and just try and not have to do anything but downgrade him in the rucks this year

 

[BarginHunter]

Anyone know whats happened to ROB?
Showed a bit of potential last year and even more so the year before?
Any Crows fans able to clear this up? I dont know much about the situation they have there

 

[Shaunpro1]

Maybe. If I went Preuss I really need another <250k option for the bench spot or some kind of DPP cover. I don't trust Cameron, does too many stupid and unpredictable things as a coach, and honestly I really rate Flynn so outside the Cameron factor I'd think he should be in the drivers seat.

Definitely not ruled out at this point though, he's the clear strongest option but at the moment I think he's more in my R3 scope and just try and not have to do anything but downgrade him in the rucks this year

I just think there will be games where they go with Flynn's capacity to cover the ground, alot better athlete than Preuss, with Preuss' injury history they arent going to grind him into the ground playing solo every week either.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Rucks killing me again, wish we only needed one.

 

[wogitalia]

Anyone know whats happened to ROB?
Showed a bit of potential last year and even more so the year before?
Any Crows fans able to clear this up? I dont know much about the situation they have there

Talk during the season was always that he was struggling with a back problem. Hawkins is the only player I can think of who had that kind of injury and then suddenly was a lot better as back injuries tend to just get worse over time but it's always possible he recovers.

He wasn't covering the ground as well last year so it definitely stacks up. Unfortunately his limited ruck skills, especially at CB, do put a bit more of a cap on his scoring. If Dawson works out as an inside mid and he can get Crouch back that would help him immensely as they'd actually start to have a pretty decent midfield around him at that point.

Really awkward price though for a guy who has a really weak keeper narrative, imo.

 

[wogitalia]

Rucks killing me again, wish we only needed one.

Or 4 starters and I can just pick the 4 guys I like and move on

Instead I've got to narrow 4 down to 2, almost certainly pick the wrong 2 and that's after I rule out any alternative structure to set and forget!

How do 3 spots out of 30 always seem to create more headaches than the other 27 combined!

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Rucks killing me again, wish we only needed one.

Or 4 starters and I can just pick the 4 guys I like and move on

Instead I've got to narrow 4 down to 2, almost certainly pick the wrong 2 and that's after I rule out any alternative structure to set and forget!

How do 3 spots out of 30 always seem to create more headaches than the other 27 combined!

If Preuss and Hayes both picked round 1 - do we go them?

 

[BarginHunter]

Talk during the season was always that he was struggling with a back problem. Hawkins is the only player I can think of who had that kind of injury and then suddenly was a lot better as back injuries tend to just get worse over time but it's always possible he recovers.

He wasn't covering the ground as well last year so it definitely stacks up. Unfortunately his limited ruck skills, especially at CB, do put a bit more of a cap on his scoring. If Dawson works out as an inside mid and he can get Crouch back that would help him immensely as they'd actually start to have a pretty decent midfield around him at that point.

Really awkward price though for a guy who has a really weak keeper narrative, imo.

Cheers for clearing that up. Thought he had just dropped off, but that back injury sounds alot more unfortunate

 

[Backbone]

If Preuss and Hayes both picked round 1 - do we go them?

If Hayes is picked over lycett yes
If he’s picked with lycett no

Makes all the difference imo
Hayes as solo Ruck could be anything from 70-100
With lycett I think it’s 50-80
Preuss I like at r3
Think he’ll be the best cash cow we get

Many saying it’s too much for the bench but I remember how good pittonet was for me at 225k a few years back
Could be similar

 

[Shaunpro1]

If we had Preuss,Comben and Hayes X2 I'd maybe look at it, Jack Hayes is a serious talent, still feels very risky though.

 

[Toothless Tigers]

Does Witts come into the conversation since King is out for the season and Chol goes forward?

 

[randomcliche]

Does Witts come into the conversation since King is out for the season and Chol goes forward?

My first team of season included Witts absent considerations on Chol. I ruled him out shortly thereafter absent considerations on Chol. The returning injury status puts a downer on his scoring potetntail and is therefore unlikely to bring enough $, fast enough to be considered a serious stepping stone. I've picked JOM more times than care to remember. I want a narrative of $150k-$200k for S.S.'s to partially o***et the additional capital c/f a rookie spot.

That said, in isolation, I think he is a reasonable pick. He'll make $ and allow you time to establish who is R2 or pick up a discounted R2. And Preuss may provide a bailout option for a few weeks, or you could just start him as well.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

If Hayes is picked over lycett yes
If he’s picked with lycett no

Makes all the difference imo
Hayes as solo Ruck could be anything from 70-100
With lycett I think it’s 50-80
Preuss I like at r3
Think he’ll be the best cash cow we get

Many saying it’s too much for the bench but I remember how good pittonet was for me at 225k a few years back
Could be similar

If we had Preuss,Comben and Hayes X2 I'd maybe look at it, Jack Hayes is a serious talent, still feels very risky though.

Does Witts come into the conversation since King is out for the season and Chol goes forward?

I think if Hayes is picked, Preuss becomes more viable as R2, even if Hayes is second to Lycett and scoring 50. That 50 even if Preuss is out will not kill you given the investment of $323k across the two.

This would give an option to look at Darcy or Gawn (Grundy has now grown on me to be much more comfortable backing him in).

Darcy preseason so far doesn't sound 100% and this may play a part.

If Preuss and Hayes play, it will be tempting to go Hayes to save $$, yet Preuss money make is high if fit.

Witts maybe comes back into calculation given unfortunate injury to King. The Darcy health position will play a part in that equation.

 

[Shaunpro1]

I think if Hayes is picked, Preuss becomes more viable as R2, even if Hayes is second to Lycett and scoring 50. That 50 even if Preuss is out will not kill you given the investment of $323k across the two.

This would give an option to look at Darcy or Gawn (Grundy has now grown on me to be much more comfortable backing him in).

Darcy preseason so far doesn't sound 100% and this may play a part.

If Preuss and Hayes play, it will be tempting to go Hayes to save $$, yet Preuss money make is high if fit.

Witts maybe comes back into calculation given unfortunate injury to King. The Darcy health position will play a part in that equation.

I think if Darcy's health is in question I'd just pick Gawn in all honesty, not stuff around trying to find mid priced gold.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Does Witts come into the conversation since King is out for the season and Chol goes forward?

Expect Lukosius and Casboult fill the forward void, allowing them to do as they please with Chol.

 

[Herbie66]

Witts , Preuss / Comben or Hayes or ??

🤔 Probably the year it works

 

[Connoisseur]

Does Witts come into the conversation since King is out for the season and Chol goes forward?

No. HTA% and work around the ground leaves a lot to be desired and thus a low ceiling not helpful in attempting to quickly bridge the gap between the likes of Darcy, Gawn and Grundy. Improbable that he returns to his pre injury form immediately and is too expensive for my liking given the little reward on offer.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ry_in_Elite_Australian_Rules_Football_Players

https://www.dovepress.com/anterior-...ll-incid-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-OAJSM

 

[Santoz]

Anyone know whats happened to ROB?
Showed a bit of potential last year and even more so the year before?
Any Crows fans able to clear this up? I dont know much about the situation they have there

Talk during the season was always that he was struggling with a back problem. Hawkins is the only player I can think of who had that kind of injury and then suddenly was a lot better as back injuries tend to just get worse over time but it's always possible he recovers.

He wasn't covering the ground as well last year so it definitely stacks up. Unfortunately his limited ruck skills, especially at CB, do put a bit more of a cap on his scoring. If Dawson works out as an inside mid and he can get Crouch back that would help him immensely as they'd actually start to have a pretty decent midfield around him at that point.

Really awkward price though for a guy who has a really weak keeper narrative, imo.

ROB's fit as **** at the minute.

He's always been fit so whatever injury was restricting him last year isn't impacting his preseason.

 

[Leroy]

Witts , Preuss / Comben or Hayes or ??

🤔 Probably the year it works

Nah Herbie don't talk yourself into it

Pick your favourite $600k ruck for R1 then if you must, mess around from there.

I've just drafted a side that I actually don't mind the look of if Preuss gets up...
Preuss R2, Comben R3, Jackson F5 for 'insurance' (cos I'm not going this route without it).
Gives Whitfield D5 and Cogs as M4 behind 3 guns with all the rookies following. Big scoring potential and some solid flexibility

 

[Leroy]

Nah Herbie don't talk yourself into it

Pick your favourite $600k ruck for R1 then if you must, mess around from there.

I've just drafted a side that I actually don't mind the look of if Preuss gets up...
Preuss R2, Comben R3, Jackson F5 for 'insurance' (cos I'm not going this route without it).
Gives Whitfield D5 and Cogs as M4 behind 3 guns with all the rookies following. Big scoring potential and some solid flexibility

I think the XvY was something like:

Darcy, Ward (Hawks), Kid Coleman
vs
Whitfield, Preuss, Jackson

Would go option 1 if Preuss was no good and Ward looked like a must but to be honest, option 2 looks like a better side.