Position 2022: Ruck Discussion

Which of the following 2 are leading the race for your starting R1 and R2...?

  • Max Gawn

    Votes: 66 41.8%
  • Sean Darcy

    Votes: 46 29.1%
  • Nic Naitanui

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • Brodie Grundy

    Votes: 125 79.1%
  • Rowan Marshall

    Votes: 13 8.2%
  • Reilly O'Brien

    Votes: 5 3.2%
  • Oscar McInerney

    Votes: 3 1.9%
  • Jarrod Witts

    Votes: 18 11.4%
  • Braydon Preuss

    Votes: 12 7.6%
  • Scott Lycett, Tim English, Matthew Flynn or Luke Jackson

    Votes: 21 13.3%

  • Total voters
    158
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Yeah, if not starting Darcy, then finding a R2 is pretty tough (assuming most will be starting Grundy as R1).

If there is no standout R2 in the next 27 days, I'm putting F/R English higher on my list, as a starter, in the Forward line for backup.

I would expect 24yo English, with 3 full AFL seasons now, should be ready to make an inpact in the ruck. He was planned to be the WBD's main ruckman.
Martin, is 35yo and only played 7 and 6 games in the last 2 seasons.
Jordon Sweet, hmmm, I don't know much about him as a threat to taking English's role as the main ruckman.

Has English bulked up this preseason???

English is out of contract end of this year and West Coast are circling.
 
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Yeah, if not starting Darcy, then finding a R2 is pretty tough (assuming most will be starting Grundy as R1).

If there is no standout R2 in the next 27 days, I'm putting F/R English higher on my list, as a starter, in the Forward line for backup.

I would expect 24yo English, with 3 full AFL seasons now, should be ready to make an inpact in the ruck. He was planned to be the WBD's main ruckman.
Martin, is 35yo and only played 7 and 6 games in the last 2 seasons.
Jordon Sweet, hmmm, I don't know much aboout him as a threat to taking English's role as the main ruckman.

Has English bulked up this preseason???

English is out of contract end of this year and West Coast are circling.
I think they have given up on English being that #1 ruck.

We should continue to see the Martin/Sweet + English combination throughout the season.
 
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I think they have given up on English being that #1 ruck.

We should continue to see the Martin/Sweet + English combination throughout the season.
Looks like you are right! The article below doesn't install much confidence in English being their main ruckman.

...........The club failed to land an established ruckman during the trade period and will now hope that Stefan Martin has an injury-free campaign, or that Tim English can compete stronger in the role. Josh Bruce’s ACL injury also hurts the forward line, but there’s enough support in English, Aaron Naughton, Cody Weightman and Josh Schache to cover it............
 
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Darcy will still be the number 1 ruck
You can’t ignore his last half of the year
Gawn dipped after round 5 and his ceiling left him
He was still consistent but not really a captaincy option. Darcy has that ceiling now and I don’t think a slight niggle is going to stop that. If we knew what he actually had injury wise when he was scoring those 150+ Late last year I’m sure it was worse then the niggle he has now lol

Don’t be sheep, if you have had him all preseason I don’t see why you’d be changing now. Grundy and he are by far the two best picks imo
Gawn safe, nicnat is the one I’d be looking at if Darcy legitimately looked like missing games or even Marshall with the new dpp announcements

Still plenty of time before round 1 and he’s still an exciting pick as we have no idea on what his ceiling will be like butters and de goey types who have 100+ potential with their full time new roles. Walsh was the same until the syndesmosis as he still has more improvement in him, they’re the types I think we build around in 2022 as the upside is worth it with 5 extra trades. I honestly think we’ll get more trades throughout the year, Adelaide cancelling a practice game cause of Covid is a sign of things to come imo
 
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Darcy will still be the number 1 ruck
You can’t ignore his last half of the year
Gawn dipped after round 5 and his ceiling left him
He was still consistent but not really a captaincy option. Darcy has that ceiling now and I don’t think a slight niggle is going to stop that. If we knew what he actually had injury wise when he was scoring those 150+ Late last year I’m sure it was worse then the niggle he has now lol

Don’t be sheep, if you have had him all preseason I don’t see why you’d be changing now. Grundy and he are by far the two best picks imo
Gawn safe, nicnat is the one I’d be looking at if Darcy legitimately looked like missing games or even Marshall with the new dpp announcements

Still plenty of time before round 1 and he’s still an exciting pick as we have no idea on what his ceiling will be like butters and de goey types who have 100+ potential with their full time new roles. Walsh was the same until the syndesmosis as he still has more improvement in him, they’re the types I think we build around in 2022 as the upside is worth it with 5 extra trades. I honestly think we’ll get more trades throughout the year, Adelaide cancelling a practice game cause of Covid is a sign of things to come imo
Mmm .. will need to think a bit more about this ...

The W.A. border status and home ground firmness under foot are putting me off starting Darcy ... bit like the Gabba in previous years ...
 
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Darcy will still be the number 1 ruck
You can’t ignore his last half of the year
Gawn dipped after round 5 and his ceiling left him
He was still consistent but not really a captaincy option. Darcy has that ceiling now and I don’t think a slight niggle is going to stop that. If we knew what he actually had injury wise when he was scoring those 150+ Late last year I’m sure it was worse then the niggle he has now lol

Don’t be sheep, if you have had him all preseason I don’t see why you’d be changing now. Grundy and he are by far the two best picks imo
Gawn safe, nicnat is the one I’d be looking at if Darcy legitimately looked like missing games or even Marshall with the new dpp announcements

Still plenty of time before round 1 and he’s still an exciting pick as we have no idea on what his ceiling will be like butters and de goey types who have 100+ potential with their full time new roles. Walsh was the same until the syndesmosis as he still has more improvement in him, they’re the types I think we build around in 2022 as the upside is worth it with 5 extra trades. I honestly think we’ll get more trades throughout the year, Adelaide cancelling a practice game cause of Covid is a sign of things to come imo
I find this mentality that the extra trades are a reason to start handicapping yourself as a very flawed one. Everyone has those extra trades, every time you're using it to fix something and someone else is using it to upgrade, you're falling further and further behind. I see it being used as a reason to take picks you otherwise wouldn't very commonly this o***eason, that's not even factoring in the aspect that we might genuinely need them for covid related issues, just from a pure sideways trades are the death by a thousand cuts of SC perspective.

Achilles injuries are not a niggle. They ended the careers of Deledio and Brad Johnson, both absolute ironmen who worked as hard as anyone off the field to stay fit, not something that has ever been even suggested of Darcy never mind evidenced. Completely derailed Callum Mills last year to the point that he's still recovering.

When Darcy plays all of the preseason games in their entirety without any limitation, then I'll believe this is a niggle but until then, I'll plan away from him given his terrible durability record was already a major red flag. You don't sit the ruckman that your midfield revolves around from valuable preseason games unless something is amiss, the bond between midfield and ruck is too important and the chances to genuinely work on it are too few to waste them unless the risk is even greater.

Would be happy for him to prove me wrong but I've seen this story many times before, it's the same story people were spinning last year to talk themselves into going for Lachie Neale, I'll ignore all the missed training and preseason problems because they were great last year when they were fit. It's not a story that ends well often.
 
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There was plenty of commentary on the Essendon hit-out yesterday in the threads for the other SC positions.
Can anyone add their observations on how Draper shaped up?
 
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Which 2 of these rucks are you likely to start?

GAWN ($657,400)
DARCY ($642,600)
NAITANUI ($627,400)
GRUNDY ($627,100)
MARSHALL ($536,800)
O'BRIEN ($520,600)
McINERNEY ($509,600)
WITTS ($380,300)
PREUSS ($204,700)
LYCETT, ENGLISH, FLYNN, JACKSON
It might be best not to restrict the option to select 3 (or 4!) or these.
Also I think Draper is worth a spot in the pecking order.
 
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Which 2 of these rucks are you likely to start?

GAWN ($657,400)
DARCY ($642,600)
NAITANUI ($627,400)
GRUNDY ($627,100)
MARSHALL ($536,800)
O'BRIEN ($520,600)
McINERNEY ($509,600)
WITTS ($380,300)
PREUSS ($204,700)
LYCETT, ENGLISH, FLYNN, JACKSON
Grundy.
Can I start with just 28 players?
Can I leave spaces blank?
 
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I find this mentality that the extra trades are a reason to start handicapping yourself as a very flawed one. Everyone has those extra trades, every time you're using it to fix something and someone else is using it to upgrade, you're falling further and further behind. I see it being used as a reason to take picks you otherwise wouldn't very commonly this o***eason, that's not even factoring in the aspect that we might genuinely need them for covid related issues, just from a pure sideways trades are the death by a thousand cuts of SC perspective.

Achilles injuries are not a niggle. They ended the careers of Deledio and Brad Johnson, both absolute ironmen who worked as hard as anyone off the field to stay fit, not something that has ever been even suggested of Darcy never mind evidenced. Completely derailed Callum Mills last year to the point that he's still recovering.

When Darcy plays all of the preseason games in their entirety without any limitation, then I'll believe this is a niggle but until then, I'll plan away from him given his terrible durability record was already a major red flag. You don't sit the ruckman that your midfield revolves around from valuable preseason games unless something is amiss, the bond between midfield and ruck is too important and the chances to genuinely work on it are too few to waste them unless the risk is even greater.

Would be happy for him to prove me wrong but I've seen this story many times before, it's the same story people were spinning last year to talk themselves into going for Lachie Neale, I'll ignore all the missed training and preseason problems because they were great last year when they were fit. It's not a story that ends well often.
RE: .........Everyone has those extra trades, every time you're using it to fix something and someone else is using it to upgrade, you're falling further and further behind.........

Can't agree more. (I've already made a note to keep reminding me :))
The reason for the extra 5 trades is to compensate SuperCoach Teams, for players who may miss games, because of Covid issues. I would be very surprised if we get more trades during the season, as these 5 trades are the bonus trades.

Last year, SuperCoaches were not happy that Fantasy changes were made during the AFL season. So, to prevent making changes during the season, they gave us the 5 bonus trades, so changes won't need to be made during this season.

When Covid first appeared, nobody knew what to expect, or how to handle it, now they know and are organised. AFL games will be played, even if AFL teams have to get outside players to fill a team. Also, Covid affected players will only miss 1 game (unless it physically affected them badly, and that will only be the minority).
One thing to keep in mind, some players returning from Covid may not play to their optimum ability for a while.
 
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Just logged into Supercoach to plan a team around Darcy not being in my team with these fresh injury concerns and I kept landing on NicNat as my back up option.

Can he back up his form from last year? Any WA spies have any information on how his pre-season is tracking?

Had only three scores below 100 and they all came in the first six weeks. Am I talking myself into a trap here?

If Darcy shows this niggle is a bit more than that over the pre-season and Naitanui turns up good nick then I might end up with Naitanui or still thinking about Marshall as well.
 
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There was plenty of commentary on the Essendon hit-out yesterday in the threads for the other SC positions.
Can anyone add their observations on how Draper shaped up?
I like him but I'd have liked to see a bit more ruck dominance against Phillips, Bryan and Cox, I actually rate the first two higher than most but you still want the clear #1 to beat them soundly, he had some nice hitouts but it wasn't dominance.

He did some nice things around the ground as well though and that's definitely the area where I think he's strongest, genuinely impressive athlete, did a good job find space and would have had 3 or 4 marks I would guess, good leading marks as well, kicking is still wild.

What I did like with his ruckwork was he definitely has a desire to direct the ball into dangerous spots, he's not a bring it to the floor guy and that attempt to be damaging may be why he didn't get the sheer hitout dominance I'd have liked to see.

I do think he's a viable option this year, I can't say I love him as a pick still and want to see a lot more in preseason but he's done enough to be on the watch list.

Perhaps the biggest problem with him is his durability record is terrible and when you pick that no man's land ruck pick you're in so much trouble if you end up having to bail out of them in round 3 or 4 as they require entire restructures or to get super lucky that a viable rookie ruck has popped up. I don't see a keeper there so you're basically taking him as a short term cash generator and they need to stay on the park.


Just logged into Supercoach to plan a team around Darcy not being in my team with these fresh injury concerns and I kept landing on NicNat as my back up option.

Can he back up his form from last year? Any WA spies have any information on how his pre-season is tracking?

Had only three scores below 100 and they all came in the first six weeks. Am I talking myself into a trap here?

If Darcy shows this niggle is a bit more than that over the pre-season and Naitanui turns up good nick then I might end up with Naitanui or still thinking about Marshall as well.
I like him, haven't heard much in preseason, I know he joined the main group a bit later but given his history that's expected.

I'm definitely finding myself far more drawn to him than I should, 31 year olds aren't generally the guys you back in...

Problem is I hate paying 10 points extra for Gawn and Darcy definitely has me on edge. None of the 90+ guys fill me with any confidence at all that they can push 115+ so you either pick from the top 4 or you jump down to the no man's land guys and hope to find a winner while Gawn settles and Darcy/NicNat prove they're fit. This can be risky in itself because even if you get the pick half right, it's very possible Darcy is fine and thus underpriced, NicNat continues his form and thus is underpriced or Gawn never settles and stays 120+ and you're facing that upgrade task!
 
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I like him but I'd have liked to see a bit more ruck dominance against Phillips, Bryan and Cox, I actually rate the first two higher than most but you still want the clear #1 to beat them soundly, he had some nice hitouts but it wasn't dominance.

He did some nice things around the ground as well though and that's definitely the area where I think he's strongest, genuinely impressive athlete, did a good job find space and would have had 3 or 4 marks I would guess, good leading marks as well, kicking is still wild.

What I did like with his ruckwork was he definitely has a desire to direct the ball into dangerous spots, he's not a bring it to the floor guy and that attempt to be damaging may be why he didn't get the sheer hitout dominance I'd have liked to see.

I do think he's a viable option this year, I can't say I love him as a pick still and want to see a lot more in preseason but he's done enough to be on the watch list.

Perhaps the biggest problem with him is his durability record is terrible and when you pick that no man's land ruck pick you're in so much trouble if you end up having to bail out of them in round 3 or 4 as they require entire restructures or to get super lucky that a viable rookie ruck has popped up. I don't see a keeper there so you're basically taking him as a short term cash generator and they need to stay on the park.
Thanks for the Draper report.
I had overlooked Phillips, but reckon that Draper will only have to stay injury-free to run as the solo ruck.
He looks a bit ungainly but is quite athletic - think I’ll risk it & go early on him.
 
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