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Yes, third shot in Jan. Note I felt good on the first two positive days, only a slight running nose. Between running 4-5km both those days and 12 hour work days, my immune system dropped at end of day two and a light fever kicked in. Friends who are very fit, did no running for 10 days and tested negative by day 6 (I was negative day 10). Pushing towards 50, run every day and had done a couple of football training sessions. Didn't get the coughs/chest issue still, main issue sore throat and fatigue.
Not really a like but good info ..
 
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I've just read this.
You don't have to answer this, were you triple vaccinated?
Not really a like but good info ..
Is the concern the rest time needed, impact despite triple shot or a little bias to anti vaxx?

On a side note, played 9's tonight, legs felt tired due to having not done internal running, wasn't breathing too hard, yet heart rate hit 193. Noticed this on 8th day when I recommenced running, a very high heart rate, yet day 9 heart rate was normal.

Covid is not the flu, I will give you that.
 
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Is the concern the rest time needed, impact despite triple shot or a little bias to anti vaxx?

On a side note, played 9's tonight, legs felt tired due to having not done internal running, wasn't breathing too hard, yet heart rate hit 193. Noticed this on 8th day when I recommenced running, a very high heart rate, yet day 9 heart rate was normal.

Covid is not the flu, I will give you that.
Was interested in the affects and recovery times ...

- Ie. we aren't talking average Joe here ... they are athletes foremost these days ... so "might" get hit harder than most ..
 
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So sounds like a 50/50 mid/fwd split for De Goey this season. Well with that, the interrupted pre-season and the flog factor, that’s enough for me to start without him.

Think he really needs that close to full-time mid role to score the way he did during the back end of last season. Probably more likely to average around 90 as a mid/fwd.
Will play the devils advocate here a little as I don't read it so bad myself.

Basically it's saying one of him or Elliot will be at every centre bounce meaning he's only got one other guy to compete with. Feel like Elliott is more injury prone (although numbers don't really have him being much worse than DeGoey from a quick glance) and better up forward (DeGoey has the one great year in 2018).

Elliott managed 25 goals and 8 behinds in 13 games last season in comparison to DeGoey who had 23.23 from 20 games. Could argue the midfield move for DeGoey but he still managed to kick 9 goals in the final 11 games where he seemed to get midfield minutes. In the first 9 games he had prior to the move he managed 15 goals, however 6 game against North and another 4 v Carlton - going goalless in 4/9 games to start the season v 4/11 in the back half.

As for his pre-season, prior to him being his typical floggish self, it seemed like he was pretty determined to really improve himself given the work he was doing in the states. I haven't paid much attention but outside of the trial stuff, has he had any setbacks injury wise?

There are a heap of forwards that look pretty tempting this year but nothing form this article really makes me want to put a line through him.
 
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Is the concern the rest time needed, impact despite triple shot or a little bias to anti vaxx?

On a side note, played 9's tonight, legs felt tired due to having not done internal running, wasn't breathing too hard, yet heart rate hit 193. Noticed this on 8th day when I recommenced running, a very high heart rate, yet day 9 heart rate was normal.

Covid is not the flu, I will give you that.
Sounds like you've had a particularly bad case of it compared to the people I know who've had it!

Hope you're better soon :)
 
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Will play the devils advocate here a little as I don't read it so bad myself.

Basically it's saying one of him or Elliot will be at every centre bounce meaning he's only got one other guy to compete with. Feel like Elliott is more injury prone (although numbers don't really have him being much worse than DeGoey from a quick glance) and better up forward (DeGoey has the one great year in 2018).

Elliott managed 25 goals and 8 behinds in 13 games last season in comparison to DeGoey who had 23.23 from 20 games. Could argue the midfield move for DeGoey but he still managed to kick 9 goals in the final 11 games where he seemed to get midfield minutes. In the first 9 games he had prior to the move he managed 15 goals, however 6 game against North and another 4 v Carlton - going goalless in 4/9 games to start the season v 4/11 in the back half.

As for his pre-season, prior to him being his typical floggish self, it seemed like he was pretty determined to really improve himself given the work he was doing in the states. I haven't paid much attention but outside of the trial stuff, has he had any setbacks injury wise?

There are a heap of forwards that look pretty tempting this year but nothing form this article really makes me want to put a line through him.
Interesting ... I really should stop tinkering with my side ...

Currently got .... De Goey + Rowell v Neale + Curnow doing my head in ...
 
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Will play the devils advocate here a little as I don't read it so bad myself.

Basically it's saying one of him or Elliot will be at every centre bounce meaning he's only got one other guy to compete with. Feel like Elliott is more injury prone (although numbers don't really have him being much worse than DeGoey from a quick glance) and better up forward (DeGoey has the one great year in 2018).

Elliott managed 25 goals and 8 behinds in 13 games last season in comparison to DeGoey who had 23.23 from 20 games. Could argue the midfield move for DeGoey but he still managed to kick 9 goals in the final 11 games where he seemed to get midfield minutes. In the first 9 games he had prior to the move he managed 15 goals, however 6 game against North and another 4 v Carlton - going goalless in 4/9 games to start the season v 4/11 in the back half.

As for his pre-season, prior to him being his typical floggish self, it seemed like he was pretty determined to really improve himself given the work he was doing in the states. I haven't paid much attention but outside of the trial stuff, has he had any setbacks injury wise?

There are a heap of forwards that look pretty tempting this year but nothing form this article really makes me want to put a line through him.
He could work but the midfield role is pretty important, not just CB stuff either, needs to be around the ball. Like most midfielders playing forward, he's as likely to more likely to score from the midfield where he generates significant mismatches instead of drawing elite defenders and he got significant points from his clearance work, tackling and marks which were all significantly up with more midfield time and the extra contests and space that position allows.

Reckon he's a ~95 guy as a 50/50 or worse forward, assuming he stays fit which has been a huge issue for him. That's really not enough given that durability factor and the upside potential others have in their roles at this point. I reckon he's also a good chance to not really make any cash as probably going to be contingent on goals a lot more which makes the likelihood of quiet games significantly higher.

Midfield like he ended the season and that's more like 105 range which definitely makes him tempting at that price despite durability issues.

Of course if I've all but taken Butters, Heeney and Thomas at this point you can be sure it will be Bailey, Bolton and De Goey who go boom :LOL: or the Treloar, Martin and Sidebottom trio that I've also ignored to this point :LOL:
 
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He could work but the midfield role is pretty important, not just CB stuff either, needs to be around the ball. Like most midfielders playing forward, he's as likely to more likely to score from the midfield where he generates significant mismatches instead of drawing elite defenders and he got significant points from his clearance work, tackling and marks which were all significantly up with more midfield time and the extra contests and space that position allows.

Reckon he's a ~95 guy as a 50/50 or worse forward, assuming he stays fit which has been a huge issue for him. That's really not enough given that durability factor and the upside potential others have in their roles at this point. I reckon he's also a good chance to not really make any cash as probably going to be contingent on goals a lot more which makes the likelihood of quiet games significantly higher.

Midfield like he ended the season and that's more like 105 range which definitely makes him tempting at that price despite durability issues.

Of course if I've all but taken Butters, Heeney and Thomas at this point you can be sure it will be Bailey, Bolton and De Goey who go boom :LOL: or the Treloar, Martin and Sidebottom trio that I've also ignored to this point :LOL:
I feel like typically if you're at CB you'll then find yourself playing midfield - can't think of too many cases where if you're at the CB, you're then not in the midfield. Typically just more guys going up after that CB, just wondering if we'll see a 75/25 or 80/20 split between him and Elliott.

De Goey has missed a fair chunk of games, i recall one being a thumb/hand have others been repeated soft tissue stuff?

Certainly a lot of appeal in Butters, Heeney and Thomas though so there's limited spots. Certainly a heap more fun with all these options.

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Side note, Maynard mid minutes could be interesting, almost made it as a premium a couple of seasons back before falling away. Priced too high for me but will be interested to see how he goes.
 
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Brisbane's grand strategy to tank for draft picks................why else would you take Neale out of the engine room.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/705619/brownlow-mid-set-for-switch-lions-plotting-new-look-engine-room

I take away:

Lyons - wasn't looking at him before, must be on the do not touch list
Neale - ranked 3rd for CBA across comp at 81%, what does this come down to. 65%? wing may be ok, fwd is like the Freo days.
Bailey - should he be talked about more.
Coleman - locked in the backline, is this HBF or back pocket. big difference. would like to see preseason game with Rich, Zorko and Coleman playing.
Berry - more mid time guessing would be a bonus.
Rayner - sounds like has role, does he have scoring capacity to match his price plus $150k.

any thought welcome.
Also, my take away from that aricle was that Oscar McInerney won't be sharing ruck duties with Fort.

  • Journeyman ruck recruit Darcy Fort would be given every opportunity to establish his credentials as a permanent back-up to Oscar McInerney
 
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...............Of course if I've all but taken Butters, Heeney and Thomas at this point you can be sure it will be Bailey, Bolton and De Goey who go boom :LOL: or the Treloar, Martin and Sidebottom trio that I've also ignored to this point :LOL:
This is one time where the saying "The harder you work, the luckier you get" doesn't work. :(
 
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This is one time where the saying "The harder you work, the luckier you get" doesn't work. :(
To be fair, I've been pretty lucky a couple of times in this game so maybe just a slither of it in there :LOL:

Yeah, I'm just looking for any justification for the time we all sink into this stupid game only for the SC gods to skittle our season 3 rounds in and then rub our faces in it for the next 20!
 

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Probably won't cover as much depth as @wogitalia, but will share some quick notes on fantasy relevant players of the Collingwood intra club match:

N Daicos - The most prolific clearance player of the game (most of a receiver), not sure what that says about the quality of our midfield but he's looking like a Zac Merrett clone at this stage.

Crisp - Heavily, heavily involved in scoring/transition chains. Often gathered 2-3 possessions in the same play as others look to him to leverage his blistering pace to break lines. If his role continues, it will be a 30+ disposal average, 110 - 115 DT, 100 - 105 SC season.

Maynard - Started in defence, moved to the midfield at times. Strong rebound off half-back, looks capable as a midfielder, there were promising signs but I didn't see enough to justify the selection.

Dean - He was touted as a Jack Lever typing 3rd tall interceptor. Roughhead is injured yes, Dean's job security will increase yes. But Roughhead has always been a pure shutdown defender, and that is the role left vacant for Dean.

Macrae - Sloppy skills, but featured at many centre bounces. Game time is a worry, but I can see him averaging 70 - 75 which might justify his 200k ish starting price.

Sidebottom - Has always struggled as an inside mid, all his top scoring seasons were achieved from a wing. Played pure wing, and is in fact worth consideration now that I think about it. Has dropped below 94 once in the last 10 years (106, 103, 113, 104, 106, 96, 102, 94, 109, 87). Highly durable player, and if he settles in his natural role, why can't he average 100?

Pendlebury - Looked decent off half-back. My biggest problem is that he has carried the same team-first and selfless play style from his midfield days. And if anything his efficiency actually counts against him? HIGHLY effective kicks coming from defence (Caleb Daniel level), hits targets consistently on a wing/in the corridor. But this also means that you won't see Pendlebury being that Hall/Ziebell/Lloyd seagull off half-back, running to useless spots, chipping around endlessly without gaining metres, which is counter productive to the game, but is highly lucrative for Supercoach.
Great info, thanks for sharing.
 
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Also, my take away from that aricle was that Oscar McInerney won't be sharing ruck duties with Fort.

  • Journeyman ruck recruit Darcy Fort would be given every opportunity to establish his credentials as a permanent back-up to Oscar McInerney
Given previous comments from Fagan have been about Fort easing the load on Oscar, that "back-up" role might equal second ruck in the seniors (and I expect it will, at least until Hipwood returns):

On the possibility of the two playing in the same side, Chris Fagan sounded optimistic.

"It'll be good for Oscar to have an experienced ruckman in the group that can help him out," Fagan said.

"He shouldered a lot of the load for us last year and Darcy's at a good age for ruckman, he's a handy forward and he's going to help us a great deal."

https://www.lions.com.au/news/1048447/fort-the-key-to-unleash-mcinerney
 
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Given previous comments from ***an have been about Fort easing the load on Oscar, that "back-up" role might equal second ruck in the seniors (and I expect it will, at least until Hipwood returns):

On the possibility of the two playing in the same side, Chris ***an sounded optimistic.

"It'll be good for Oscar to have an experienced ruckman in the group that can help him out," ***an said.

"He shouldered a lot of the load for us last year and Darcy's at a good age for ruckman, he's a handy forward and he's going to help us a great deal."

https://www.lions.com.au/news/1048447/fort-the-key-to-unleash-mcinerney
Good info (y)

What percentage will Fort ruck?
With F*gan using the words "support", "back-up" and "help him (McInerney) out", to me doesn't seem a lot.

I'm leaning to starting with McInerney, if I still have doubts about Darcy's fitness before round 1.
 
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Brisbane's grand strategy to tank for draft picks................why else would you take Neale out of the engine room.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/705619/brownlow-mid-set-for-switch-lions-plotting-new-look-engine-room

I take away:

Lyons - wasn't looking at him before, must be on the do not touch list
Neale - ranked 3rd for CBA across comp at 81%, what does this come down to. 65%? wing may be ok, fwd is like the Freo days.
Bailey - should he be talked about more.
Coleman - locked in the backline, is this HBF or back pocket. big difference. would like to see preseason game with Rich, Zorko and Coleman playing.
Berry - more mid time guessing would be a bonus.
Rayner - sounds like has role, does he have scoring capacity to match his price plus $150k.

any thought welcome.
I, for one, hope that Lyons does get used Fwd, then once it goes pear shaped move him back to the Mids once he's received DPP status, much like Jelly last year.
 
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Good info (y)

What percentage will Fort ruck?
With F*gan using the words "support", "back-up" and "help him (McInerney) out", to me doesn't seem a lot.

I'm leaning to starting with McInerney, if I still have doubts about Darcy's fitness before round 1.
Oscar's TOG last year would strongly track his ruck time given our lack of realistic options, so using that as a proxy I think you'd see Oscar drop a touch from the occasional 90%+ to the preferred 75%-80% range which is what we frequently saw in games that weren't close last year. Whether he spends the remainder on the bench (likely) or forward (possible) is going to affect whether he's a premium option or not too, IMO.

If he falls to the 60%-70% ruck time range, he'll more likely be spending time resting forward but obviously getting him out of the middle that much is going to be a big hit on scoring.
 
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Oscar's TOG last year would strongly track his ruck time given our lack of realistic options, so using that as a proxy I think you'd see Oscar drop a touch from the occasional 90%+ to the preferred 75%-80% range which is what we frequently saw in games that weren't close last year. Whether he spends the remainder on the bench (likely) or forward (possible) is going to affect whether he's a premium option or not too, IMO.

If he falls to the 60%-70% ruck time range, he'll more likely be spending time resting forward but obviously getting him out of the middle that much is going to be a big hit on scoring.
Yeah, he is a risk, because of the unkowns that won't be answered until after the season starts.

But it was good to read that F*gan said that Fort is a handy forward, so he doesn't have to rely on rucking to keep his place in the side. Also good that F*gan said McInerney is an improving ruckman, who is a "professional player in terms of his craft, his gym work and his running is second to none". Likely McInernery will be a better player this year to score more SC points.
 
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Is Russia invading Ukraine or was US back Ukraine about to push and shove in ukraine russian population dominated area.

The Brisbane situation looks about as clear as that. Zorko saying Neale will play mids, doesnt know where this other talk coming from of playing other roles (ah, your coach Fagan buddy).

You either go full house plus 1 - Coleman Answerth Berry Rayner Bailey Neale or none.

Thankfully I am not a Lions supporter where it would be more confusing - amazing how few eagles I have had in recent years.
 
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