Interesting that you say this, as I fully agree and I honestly think Duke should be one of the main mids at the Hawks, but who he pushes out is a massive query. Seemed to be the only one putting in any sort of effort in the mid field at times. JOM will need to lift based on his effort in that match, I honestly think he'd be the one most likely to make way if anyone. Yes, it was just a practice match, I know, but I was not at all impressed with what I saw from O'Meara, and I've seen a similar lack of interest from him at other times on occasion.
Discussion 2022 AFL: Practice Matches & AAMI Community Series Discussion
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Hawks - Scoreboard was ugly but they really weren't that bad. Pies had a decent wind for 2/3 periods, Hawks kicked like 1.6 while the Pies kicked 6.0 and then they got annihilated in red time, which is a concern but they do have a fair few senior guys to come back in and that does change red time rapidly as tired players get out of position and then it all falls apart defensively and you can't stop the barrage. To be honest I still think last year and avoiding the spoon comfortably was Clarko's best coaching performance as I think their list is very weak, but they weren't as terrible as the score suggests, at least imo.
Morrison - Playing HB, was weird to see him there and Hardwick not for the 1st 2 periods, he had one really good play but was otherwise very Morrisonish... (not a compliment).
Mitchell - Felt like he couldn't care less about this game, almost like his family was being held hostage or something. Preseason and like Sidebottom I reckon he knows where he's at and doesn't care. That said would have been nice to see him crack in and confirm the body is good. I mean compared to a lot of his competition it's a big cross but there was nothing really wrong and given it's Titch, he probably top scored anyway
Worpel - Big Q3, was kind of just running around like a chicken with its head cut off for the first two. He's a solid player but honestly he's their 4th best inside mid and has struggled entirely in all other positions, kind of guy who is clearly best 22 on ability but, imo, shouldn't be in their best 22, he will be but just a hard fit for him.
Sicily - Was well off the pace early but built into it nicely. Hard to judge a lot with Hardwick not playing the first two, Impey, Day and Jiath not playing at all. On a positive, if the midfield plays like that he's going to have a lot of supply. Do like that he got the first 50 out of the way in the first 10 minutes and must have given away 5 free kicks, so nice to have him back! As much as it can be with so much information missing, it was a tick.
McEvoy - Forward and 2nd ruck all day.
O'Meara - Not heavily involved in the mids early, worked into them about halfway through the first and did a few nice things. Another guy who had that preseason chill going but you always worry with him whether it's the body not letting him or holding back.
Nash - Decent midfield mix, struggled to really have a lot of impact, did look like he was cracking in and probably had a fair few tackles though. Nothing to make me want to pick him but I do like him in the role, similar to Worpel though where there are so many, including Worpel, ahead of him.
Moore - Started really well, playing HF, did fade, may have even been off by Q3. Role in a bad team stops him being fantasy relevant for mine.
Scrimshaw - Started HB, I still have no idea how they fit everyone in.
Hardwick - Came on for Q3, took kick-ins at that point and same old, no idea why he didn't play the first two, he's so clearly in their best 22 so I assume being managed or just wanted to give someone else a chance?
Bramble - Was their 2nd best player for mine, ton of rebound off HB, mostly good kicking and just by far the hardest working to get on the end of it. He's definitely a threat to Sicily getting back to 105+ territory, he quite simply didn't have the likes of Bramble, Hardwick (now version), Jiath, Scrimshaw, Impey and Day playing a couple of years ago and they do scare me with him.
Lynch - Gave a contest, was hard to read the watch the ruck contests with the camera but definitely seems to be a genuine battle for the spots. Came on in Q3 iirc, so would indicate he's slightly behind to me.
Gunston - Got through, was solid but tough role in what definitely should be a weak side this year.
DGB - Was solid down back, tough to squeeze him into the side right now but did some nice things. Long term he hurts Sicily but this season I'm not worried about him.
Ward - Started wing, went through the middle at times but looked by far his best when playing HB, which is really unfortunate given they've got an entire team full of HBF they're trying to fit into a couple of slots. Worked into the game nicely though and he's good enough at basically everything to find a role for him be it wing or as the skilled midfielder in a midfield noticeably lacking in class. I think he should play and he should score well once he figures out where he's playing. Gilham who was commentating was very complimentary of how quickly he picked up the defensive patterns and structures which is normally the thing that stops rookies dead from playing, so that's a great sign.
Shiels - Came on in Q3, not sure if similar to Hardwick where they wanted to give others a chance or indication where he's at in the pecking order, didn't play midfield when he did come on from what I could tell. This would be very good for a few of the kids.
MacDonald - Was good in Q1, went missing after that, did seem to be on the wing but the ball wasn't finding him. Gilham also complimentary of him but I think he's got some work to do next week.
Maginness - I thought he was the pick of the rookie priced Hawks both in role and performance. Started wing, didn't do a lot there but moved into the guts where he provided more grunt than I expected but also a bit of polish. Again, the midfield is sorely lacking in class so if he can add that it's in his favour. I'd say there's room for 2 of the kids at most. Would love to see a big game next week.
Reeves - I thought he was actually pretty solid, Grundy killed him around the ground and from what I could tell was on top in the ruck as well but Reeves was combative. Be brave to pick him though with Lynch right there waiting if he has a bad game and McEvoy if they both do! Has a real Flynn at GWS last year vibe.
S. Mitchell - He did some nice things but playing as a small forward in a bad team I'd have to be pretty desperate!
Newcombe - Thought he was the Hawks clear best player, he must have won about 3/4 of the clearances that they won, was the only mid actually working to the outside of the contest as well and presenting around the ground. Shame he didn't get the forward tag as I think he'd have some low end keeper potential there. If he keeps playing like that I reckon he passes O'Meara and Worpel to be their 2nd best midfielder and honestly could even pass Mitchell as their main inside guy and push Mitchell more outside again. Love the way he went about it. Obviously just one game, after a handful of really impressive outings last year, but if he backs it up he's just cheap enough to consider. Role was very good. Ideally Wingard plays next week and we see where he falls in, another huge game and he'd be interesting.
Morrison - Playing HB, was weird to see him there and Hardwick not for the 1st 2 periods, he had one really good play but was otherwise very Morrisonish... (not a compliment).
Mitchell - Felt like he couldn't care less about this game, almost like his family was being held hostage or something. Preseason and like Sidebottom I reckon he knows where he's at and doesn't care. That said would have been nice to see him crack in and confirm the body is good. I mean compared to a lot of his competition it's a big cross but there was nothing really wrong and given it's Titch, he probably top scored anyway
Worpel - Big Q3, was kind of just running around like a chicken with its head cut off for the first two. He's a solid player but honestly he's their 4th best inside mid and has struggled entirely in all other positions, kind of guy who is clearly best 22 on ability but, imo, shouldn't be in their best 22, he will be but just a hard fit for him.
Sicily - Was well off the pace early but built into it nicely. Hard to judge a lot with Hardwick not playing the first two, Impey, Day and Jiath not playing at all. On a positive, if the midfield plays like that he's going to have a lot of supply. Do like that he got the first 50 out of the way in the first 10 minutes and must have given away 5 free kicks, so nice to have him back! As much as it can be with so much information missing, it was a tick.
McEvoy - Forward and 2nd ruck all day.
O'Meara - Not heavily involved in the mids early, worked into them about halfway through the first and did a few nice things. Another guy who had that preseason chill going but you always worry with him whether it's the body not letting him or holding back.
Nash - Decent midfield mix, struggled to really have a lot of impact, did look like he was cracking in and probably had a fair few tackles though. Nothing to make me want to pick him but I do like him in the role, similar to Worpel though where there are so many, including Worpel, ahead of him.
Moore - Started really well, playing HF, did fade, may have even been off by Q3. Role in a bad team stops him being fantasy relevant for mine.
Scrimshaw - Started HB, I still have no idea how they fit everyone in.
Hardwick - Came on for Q3, took kick-ins at that point and same old, no idea why he didn't play the first two, he's so clearly in their best 22 so I assume being managed or just wanted to give someone else a chance?
Bramble - Was their 2nd best player for mine, ton of rebound off HB, mostly good kicking and just by far the hardest working to get on the end of it. He's definitely a threat to Sicily getting back to 105+ territory, he quite simply didn't have the likes of Bramble, Hardwick (now version), Jiath, Scrimshaw, Impey and Day playing a couple of years ago and they do scare me with him.
Lynch - Gave a contest, was hard to read the watch the ruck contests with the camera but definitely seems to be a genuine battle for the spots. Came on in Q3 iirc, so would indicate he's slightly behind to me.
Gunston - Got through, was solid but tough role in what definitely should be a weak side this year.
DGB - Was solid down back, tough to squeeze him into the side right now but did some nice things. Long term he hurts Sicily but this season I'm not worried about him.
Ward - Started wing, went through the middle at times but looked by far his best when playing HB, which is really unfortunate given they've got an entire team full of HBF they're trying to fit into a couple of slots. Worked into the game nicely though and he's good enough at basically everything to find a role for him be it wing or as the skilled midfielder in a midfield noticeably lacking in class. I think he should play and he should score well once he figures out where he's playing. Gilham who was commentating was very complimentary of how quickly he picked up the defensive patterns and structures which is normally the thing that stops rookies dead from playing, so that's a great sign.
Shiels - Came on in Q3, not sure if similar to Hardwick where they wanted to give others a chance or indication where he's at in the pecking order, didn't play midfield when he did come on from what I could tell. This would be very good for a few of the kids.
MacDonald - Was good in Q1, went missing after that, did seem to be on the wing but the ball wasn't finding him. Gilham also complimentary of him but I think he's got some work to do next week.
Maginness - I thought he was the pick of the rookie priced Hawks both in role and performance. Started wing, didn't do a lot there but moved into the guts where he provided more grunt than I expected but also a bit of polish. Again, the midfield is sorely lacking in class so if he can add that it's in his favour. I'd say there's room for 2 of the kids at most. Would love to see a big game next week.
Reeves - I thought he was actually pretty solid, Grundy killed him around the ground and from what I could tell was on top in the ruck as well but Reeves was combative. Be brave to pick him though with Lynch right there waiting if he has a bad game and McEvoy if they both do! Has a real Flynn at GWS last year vibe.
S. Mitchell - He did some nice things but playing as a small forward in a bad team I'd have to be pretty desperate!
Newcombe - Thought he was the Hawks clear best player, he must have won about 3/4 of the clearances that they won, was the only mid actually working to the outside of the contest as well and presenting around the ground. Shame he didn't get the forward tag as I think he'd have some low end keeper potential there. If he keeps playing like that I reckon he passes O'Meara and Worpel to be their 2nd best midfielder and honestly could even pass Mitchell as their main inside guy and push Mitchell more outside again. Love the way he went about it. Obviously just one game, after a handful of really impressive outings last year, but if he backs it up he's just cheap enough to consider. Role was very good. Ideally Wingard plays next week and we see where he falls in, another huge game and he'd be interesting.
Crisp was everywhere, pushed forward , pushed back was always around the ball, might need to replace the Gull at D1. The kid Daicos what a talent.
On Pendlebury, is it a bad move to have 2 Pies in the DEF 6 at round six, with one on the bench.
Starting Crisp and Dean, Pendlebury round 6/7 .?
Lipinski / Diacos Mids
Grundy RK
Or do i need to curbed my enthusiasm as a Pies Supporter.
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Pies vs Hawks
General - Standard 3 periods, players were starting to go off at that point and was a good hitout through that point of fairly much first 22 teams. Was probably the highest intensity game of all the games, even a bit of spite out there. Scoreboard was a complete blow out but the game itself was much more even, imo. Take some of this stuff at face value because it wasn't an easy stream to watch, weird low camera angle and a trigger happy zoom that didn't pan at all as well as replays overlapping CB and the like. At least Kayo finally put it up about 5 minutes after @Ironhawk found a copy
Grundy - Was dominant, no idea his fantasy score as rucks are notoriously hard with the hitouts and weird camera angles, but he was really strong around the ground. He even smiled a few times which is a nice sign. Big tick for me.
Pendles - Off HB almost exclusively. Did have a quick burst through the guts in the 2nd period. Horded kickouts quite nicely, although taking them from Daicos is a bad Pendles. Looked solid, grab after the DPP for mine.
Sidebottom - A very quiet game for him, or it seemed. He was mostly on the far and very hard to see wing so might have a lot more than I thought but he still looks a little bit chunkier like last year which is definitely a concern given how he played last year. Role was good though and he's certainly the type to let others shine in the preseason.
Crisp - I'm not sure if he was playing where the ball was or the ball was playing where he was but he basically seemed to have it on a string, went to half back and that was the period the Hawks locked it in there and he picked up a half dozen touches, on ball just kept getting it. Disposal was all over the shot as is his want but if he gets 35 a week it really doesn't matter. Big tick, had already replaced Hall with him in my team but was nice to get some solid reinforcement. Still genuinely no idea what role is better for him but there is more upside in the mids so really it doesn't matter!
Dean - Really rated his game. Backs himself in and goes for marks, always a great asset for a guy who is definitely going to be low volume. I think he's very much a rookie you want on the bench, possibly with a loop if it falls that way, but he looked really good. Only concern is obviously that Howe wasn't playing and he definitely could take the spot but Dean is bigger so probably it's Roughy who is out for a while that he's playing over. Classic type that I hope for a better option but would take him if he's all there is.
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General - Standard 3 periods, players were starting to go off at that point and was a good hitout through that point of fairly much first 22 teams. Was probably the highest intensity game of all the games, even a bit of spite out there. Scoreboard was a complete blow out but the game itself was much more even, imo. Take some of this stuff at face value because it wasn't an easy stream to watch, weird low camera angle and a trigger happy zoom that didn't pan at all as well as replays overlapping CB and the like. At least Kayo finally put it up about 5 minutes after @Ironhawk found a copy
Grundy - Was dominant, no idea his fantasy score as rucks are notoriously hard with the hitouts and weird camera angles, but he was really strong around the ground. He even smiled a few times which is a nice sign. Big tick for me.
Pendles - Off HB almost exclusively. Did have a quick burst through the guts in the 2nd period. Horded kickouts quite nicely, although taking them from Daicos is a bad Pendles. Looked solid, grab after the DPP for mine.
Sidebottom - A very quiet game for him, or it seemed. He was mostly on the far and very hard to see wing so might have a lot more than I thought but he still looks a little bit chunkier like last year which is definitely a concern given how he played last year. Role was good though and he's certainly the type to let others shine in the preseason.
Crisp - I'm not sure if he was playing where the ball was or the ball was playing where he was but he basically seemed to have it on a string, went to half back and that was the period the Hawks locked it in there and he picked up a half dozen touches, on ball just kept getting it. Disposal was all over the shot as is his want but if he gets 35 a week it really doesn't matter. Big tick, had already replaced Hall with him in my team but was nice to get some solid reinforcement. Still genuinely no idea what role is better for him but there is more upside in the mids so really it doesn't matter!
Dean - Really rated his game. Backs himself in and goes for marks, always a great asset for a guy who is definitely going to be low volume. I think he's very much a rookie you want on the bench, possibly with a loop if it falls that way, but he looked really good. Only concern is obviously that Howe wasn't playing and he definitely could take the spot but Dean is bigger so probably it's Roughy who is out for a while that he's playing over. Classic type that I hope for a better option but would take him if he's all there is.
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Grundy smiling such an important factor, we know he is sensitive/intelligent guy who may overthink things, so his mental state important. Always looks a bit grumpy so great sign.
Crisp - think he does play more mids this year which like you, what is the role impact? last year he does seem to score better as defender, yet longer term his scores in defence were 90 averages. The mid role I expect gives him a better floor in his scoring and mixed with defence he lifts his ceiling. Stays in the action. Durability so good, hard not to pick him.
Steele - feel he has the chance to burn people several games in.
Sicily - hot head, will be interesting if he can bounce back. So many uncertainties and does Hewett give you potential same score or not?
DGB - feels like we need him.
Ward - currently out of my side, hope he gets back in. The 123k mid rookies lacking scoring power it seems.
Maginnes - seen him in many sides, lets hope he gets there.
Mitchell - will be interesting to see if back to his best or reliant on wins like last year.
Great write up as always.
So Dusty is turning 31, missed the intra-club last week with a hip/adductor 'issue', and has completed recovery from major surgery.
Just have this feeling that all that does not add up to 22 games at 100+ average.
Anyone else?
Just have this feeling that all that does not add up to 22 games at 100+ average
.Anyone else?
I think I prefer Hewett if I was picking that cheaper defender, least he has a pretty defined role that shouldnt be impacted by other players, Sicily genuinely has 5 or 6 blokes that are in the best 22 all competing with him for the footy, just can't really see how hes a 100+ guy anymore and that's not accounting for the fact that players generally build up slowly post ACL recovery, if hes only a 90 guy its really a nothing pick.
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