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Position 2022: Forward Discussion
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Pretty much pure forward, not even end of last year high HF role, was genuinely deep.
I didn't like the role at all. See below though for him still not being a bad pick.
He doesn't need to average over 80 for the season, he needs a month of averaging 80 which in the role he played is very possible.
The role was a 90+ role, primary interceptor and a highly involved rebounder who takes some kick-ins.
His durability is wretched and his price is higher than several alternatives, neither of which are ideal, but the role was solid gold and backed up what was expected.
He'll have bad games but you really only need a good month to make the 150k and I think a 200k target is reasonable on him if he stays on the park.
There's plenty of other options available though for sure so he's certainly not some kind of lock.
I can't help but feel like we tricked him into an extension with midfield minutes promise. Perhaps we were just managing him this game but the role was poor.
On the flipside, he's still a good value 95 type pick in that role, last year the injuries he played through and the role he played for large parts of the year was horrific, I don't see him playing that role this year if he's fit.
Durability is an issue but a 95 average for an 84 is still a solid starting pick and with the ass falling out of the forwards a fair bit this week I think 95 is definitely a workable F6 choice.
I didn't like the role at all. See below though for him still not being a bad pick.
He doesn't need to average over 80 for the season, he needs a month of averaging 80 which in the role he played is very possible.
The role was a 90+ role, primary interceptor and a highly involved rebounder who takes some kick-ins.
His durability is wretched and his price is higher than several alternatives, neither of which are ideal, but the role was solid gold and backed up what was expected.
He'll have bad games but you really only need a good month to make the 150k and I think a 200k target is reasonable on him if he stays on the park.
There's plenty of other options available though for sure so he's certainly not some kind of lock.
I can't help but feel like we tricked him into an extension with midfield minutes promise. Perhaps we were just managing him this game but the role was poor.
On the flipside, he's still a good value 95 type pick in that role, last year the injuries he played through and the role he played for large parts of the year was horrific, I don't see him playing that role this year if he's fit.
Durability is an issue but a 95 average for an 84 is still a solid starting pick and with the ass falling out of the forwards a fair bit this week I think 95 is definitely a workable F6 choice.
Buddy/Ladhams - Not likely given we played McLean, McDonald and Reid and thus still had the 3 KPF.
Papley - Maybe but it's a real concern if we did.
Most logical explanation was load management if you're looking for a positive spin on the role but it's definitely a concern.
A midfield including Florent and Rowbottom is not sustainable though, so the fact we still didn't use Kennedy there is probably the best sign for the role if you're, again, looking for a positive angle. We really need Heeney there along with Mills if we're going to compete against the top midfields, Rowbottom getting it and kicking to the other team and Florent being flaky aren't the answers or at least I hope they aren't or it's going to be a really long season.
I just find it hard to get a positive though, he didn't play midfield despite Mills being heavily managed and JPK not being used so you've got to spin it as either we don't see him as a core part of the midfield or we're already managing his body, it's pretty hard to spin either as a genuine positive no matter how hard you try!
He's still tempting though at a good discount on an in between role to what he had against GWS and this week against North, he just loses the explosive upside he has as a midfielder. I just don't understand why we'd want him to have less impact on games while having to work 4x as hard to kick the same amount of goals but we've done it for years now and despite the positive early signs, perhaps we're going to do it for more.
Papley - Maybe but it's a real concern if we did.
Most logical explanation was load management if you're looking for a positive spin on the role but it's definitely a concern.
A midfield including Florent and Rowbottom is not sustainable though, so the fact we still didn't use Kennedy there is probably the best sign for the role if you're, again, looking for a positive angle. We really need Heeney there along with Mills if we're going to compete against the top midfields, Rowbottom getting it and kicking to the other team and Florent being flaky aren't the answers or at least I hope they aren't or it's going to be a really long season.
I just find it hard to get a positive though, he didn't play midfield despite Mills being heavily managed and JPK not being used so you've got to spin it as either we don't see him as a core part of the midfield or we're already managing his body, it's pretty hard to spin either as a genuine positive no matter how hard you try!
He's still tempting though at a good discount on an in between role to what he had against GWS and this week against North, he just loses the explosive upside he has as a midfielder. I just don't understand why we'd want him to have less impact on games while having to work 4x as hard to kick the same amount of goals but we've done it for years now and despite the positive early signs, perhaps we're going to do it for more.
The durability record of the top mids compared to the forwards would say that it's much easier on the body to play midfield than forward. The significantly reduced amount of jumping alone would be a pretty strong reason for this.
It's a fair point though that he needs managing, his durability record is quite simply a train wreck.
It's a fair point though that he needs managing, his durability record is quite simply a train wreck.
Think he will play a similar role to which he has played all his career in all honesty , forward , mid/wing and down back.
4 seasons of 94+ is long enough to establish a scoring pattern in his career
Wouldn't think he is ever going to be a in and under mid getting 35+ contested possessions a game player.
4 seasons of 94+ is long enough to establish a scoring pattern in his career
Wouldn't think he is ever going to be a in and under mid getting 35+ contested possessions a game player.
Not interested at that price, he looked improved but role the same as last year and he'll still have plenty of those 55 type games of which he had 4(5 with finals) over the last 12 games. I do think he can push towards 85-90 range but that feels on the upper end of projections and isn't nearly enough.
Never know though. Good draft league take.
Agree with the first part, sadly kind of agree with the second part but would argue that he absolutely should be that player if Horse was smart and his body could handle it (both seem pretty solid nos at this point), especially at a side that's giving genuine midfield rotations to Florent and Rowbottom instead, it's not like we've got the Dogs midfield keeping him out, our midfield is comfortably our weakest area on the field and needs a lot of help. As good as Parker and a fit Mills are, I'd say that those two plus Rowbottom, Florent and a young Warner is in the bottom 3 or 4 mids in the league. Heeney pushing a Rowbottom or Florent out changes that significantly, if Gulden could push the other out it would be very good.
Heeney not moving to the midfield would be like if Fyfe or Petracca never made the move for their sides.
Never know though. Good draft league take.
Agree with the first part, sadly kind of agree with the second part but would argue that he absolutely should be that player if Horse was smart and his body could handle it (both seem pretty solid nos at this point), especially at a side that's giving genuine midfield rotations to Florent and Rowbottom instead, it's not like we've got the Dogs midfield keeping him out, our midfield is comfortably our weakest area on the field and needs a lot of help. As good as Parker and a fit Mills are, I'd say that those two plus Rowbottom, Florent and a young Warner is in the bottom 3 or 4 mids in the league. Heeney pushing a Rowbottom or Florent out changes that significantly, if Gulden could push the other out it would be very good.
Heeney not moving to the midfield would be like if Fyfe or Petracca never made the move for their sides.
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