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Thanks Ken - brilliant set up as always.

Think my team page and dashboard in the preseason workbook are still playing up, both still showing a very tight cap. The actual team doc agrees exactly to my workings last night, so I am going to use that.

Can i confirm Three things:

1. There was talk last night of "back ending" contracts for buddy, I know that example was quashed, however where do we enter the contract split if we do give free agents 2 plus year contracts?
2. What defines the rookie contract V free agent? Mitchell Hinge for example is 5th year in system, but only a rookie and automatic 2 years. Is it price or history in our comp?
3. Do we have a tightly defined rule on LTI, think this was may get a little contentious nearing the mid-season draft, so would be best to have a clear defined rule? E.g out for season (or 12 weeks) on AFL.com.au
1. Drafted players only have the option of the number of years, their salary is set. We got caught up trying to solve Tim's being over the salary cap rather than going back to the rules.

2. Price and history. He is rookie priced and was not on a list last season, so therefore treated as a rookie. Thomson Dow on the other hand was on a list last season, had someone drafted him he still would have been classified as a 2YC player.

3. I don't think it can be that cut and dry. Out for the season obviously is, but long term injury isn't.
Preseason a long term injury, such as McLean not coming back until August, means that he is unavailable for the SCSUL regular season, so LTI list eligible. Sheed on the other hand is out for 3 months but will be back for the 2nd half of the season isn't.
Now midseason becomes trickier. Out until mid June/start of August has different impacts depending on when the injury occurs. If it happens week 2 that player is dead weight for nearly all of the SCSUL regular season. If it happens week 9, the team has had 9 weeks of scoring plus the potential for 2-3 more games. The team enduring the first scenario deserves the possibility of compensation/relief whilst the team enduring the second scenario probably doesn't.
Definitely using the AFL site and all it's information for injuries.

Connor Downie Salary in Draft (now removed) not in Team doc.
1. Thought that at the time, however was hoping I was wrong.

2. So it is effectively a combination of under 200k and not on a list last year? Must admit, drafted him thinking I could lock him in longer, but I should have understood that rule better.

3. Surely if two players are out for the exact same time period come day before mid-season draft cut off, they will be treated the same (regardless of time out before that day)? Just think it sets up for perceived bias if it all comes down to discretion. That $410k could be crucial, people will push for it. Feel like it puts unfair pressure on yourself to make a call. If it was say 10 weeks per AFL.com.au injury list (not articles) it is clear cut, no debate and then the coach makes the call, as you said the player may come back, but if on the LTI list they won't be able to play for SCS UL purposes.

Doesn't remove the option to include someone through discretion, just makes the elibility clear cut. Indefinate or mental health (Zac Jones) are clear examples of uncertainty where it may be needed.
On 2, I think it’s the No.1 draft pick price and below that are treated as rookies? (eg roughly $210k and below)

Subject to the 2YCs as Ken noted.

The rookies were also helpfully noted in the draft document under the “Players” tab (ie those which had a 2 next to them)
 

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On 2, I think it’s the No.1 draft pick price and below that are treated as rookies? (eg roughly $210k and below)

Subject to the 2YCs as Ken noted.

The rookies were also helpfully noted in the draft document under the “Players” tab (ie those which had a 2 next to them)
Should have picked that up with the "2", easy way to differentiate for future me! haha
 

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As we evolve the rules around our LTI list, the AFL LTI list needs to form part of the rule.

 
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@KLo30 can I get some clarification in regards to contracts, if I give Sengle 4 years at hid current price, but he only plays 2 years what happens to his contracted price, does it stay for the full 4 years or if he is no longer playing AFL, does it just get whiped from my cap?

Sorry if it is a stupid question, but best to get clarification now please, have not encountered it before.
 

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@KLo30 can I get some clarification in regards to contracts, if I give Sengle 4 years at hid current price, but he only plays 2 years what happens to his contracted price, does it stay for the full 4 years or if he is no longer playing AFL, does it just get whiped from my cap?

Sorry if it is a stupid question, but best to get clarification now please, have not encountered it before.
I’ll let @KLo30 provide the definitive word, but I believe they just disappear (so long as it wasn’t a back-ended contract).

I’ve had Rantall and Sier delisted from their AFL clubs, and Valente retire, and they all just disappeared.
 

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@KLo30 can I get some clarification in regards to contracts, if I give Sengle 4 years at hid current price, but he only plays 2 years what happens to his contracted price, does it stay for the full 4 years or if he is no longer playing AFL, does it just get whiped from my cap?

Sorry if it is a stupid question, but best to get clarification now please, have not encountered it before.
I’ll let @KLo30 provide the definitive word, but I believe they just disappear (so long as it wasn’t a back-ended contract).

I’ve had Rantall and Sier delisted from their AFL clubs, and Valente retire, and they all just disappeared.
If a player is no longer on an AFL list due to delisting or retirement their contracts are voided. Teams have to pay whatever salary is above the average for the remainder of the contract years if they have back ended contracts.
 
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If a player is no longer on an AFL list due to delisting or retirement their contracts are voided. Teams have to pay whatever salary is above the average for the remainder of the contract years if they have back ended contracts.
Cheers, much appreciated.

His contract can't be back dated so he will just be the straight contract period at drafted value.

Thanks once again 👍
 

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That is why I wanted Hinge 5 years! haha

$180k, 5 years in the system... he either makes it by then or is delisted in 2 or 3.
It doesn’t quite work at the $180-200k range but there are some good options in this comp for cheap long term deals in that $210k-250k range.

I have snapped up Impey and Riccardi on good long term deals, unfortunately only offered J Daicos at $250k 4 years in the initial draft so only has 2 years left. Darkie has a great deal for Newcombe I think!
 

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It doesn’t quite work at the $180-200k range but there are some good options in this comp for cheap long term deals in that $210k-250k range.

I have snapped up Impey and Riccardi on good long term deals, unfortunately only offered J Daicos at $250k 4 years in the initial draft so only has 2 years left. Darkie has a great deal for Newcombe I think!
I reckon Josh Daicos will be an interesting one. He’s done okay so far, but probably been a bit below my expectations (admittedly probably inflated because of his name). I do wonder if he has a bit of extra motivation now that his younger brother is in the AFL system and being treated like Collingwood’s saviour even before he plays an official match!
 

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I reckon Josh Daicos will be an interesting one. He’s done okay so far, but probably been a bit below my expectations (admittedly probably inflated because of his name). I do wonder if he has a bit of extra motivation now that his younger brother is in the AFL system and being treated like Collingwood’s saviour even before he plays an official match!
Hoping he does better this season, think he struggled with injury last season and regressed trom 80 to 67. Hoping he can push 85+ in that slot for me, perhaps the addition of his brother can help him!
 

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Hoping he does better this season, think he struggled with injured last season and regressed trom 80 to 67. Hoping he can push 85+ in that slot for me, perhaps the addition of his brother can help him!
I gather they like giving the ball to each other, so if that persists it could help him a fair bit!
 

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TEAM SUBMISSION
With the advent of the AFL reverting to naming teams on Thursday Night, SCS Ulitmate League will revert back to normal submission of teams with Friday Night Full Lockout.

Team Submission
  • Teams are submitted via the Team Submission Google Sheet, this document is sent out in the days leading up to the next round.
  • Coaches are to submit their team prior to the start of the first AFL game of the round. This is a Full SCS Ultimate League Lockout.
  • For irregular AFL Rounds (e.g. Thursday Night Games), a Rolling Lockout will be in place to assist coaches with team selection.
  • The Rolling Lockout is purely for clarity on AFL Team Selections. Not for VC/C or EMG Loophole purposes.
  • The League Administrator will lock relevant player cells on the Team Submission document, allowing changes to be made for players not yet locked out up until the Full Lockout is scheduled for that round.

Captain & Vice Captain
  • Teams are to select a Captain and Vice Captain for each SCS Ultimate League fixture, by allocating the 'C' and 'VC' to a selected player.
  • The player selected as Captain will score double points for that round.
  • The player selected as Vice Captain will score double points for that round, should the selected Captain not play.
  • Should the player selected as Captain fail to play more than 50% TOG, the Vice Captain score will be taken.

Emergencies
  • Each round a team must select 4 Emergencies, these players can be of any position.
  • Teams must nominate a position(s) for each emergency selected.
  • Players who have dual position eligibility may be nominated as dual position or single position. e.g. M-F can be nominated as M only, F only or M-F
  • For an Emergency to replace a non-playing player on field, they must have the corresponding positional category. i.e If Forward misses there must be a player with an Forward (dual or single) designation in order to be covered.
  • In the case where two or more Emergencies have the same positional category, the Emergency with the lower score for that round will be counted as the replacement score for the team.
 
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