Strategy 2022: Round 2 Trades

[Darkie]

It comes down to how much you value information. Information or in other words another week to look at roles and points versus a maybe used boost. I put information ahead of everything,

Does Gov work in his new role, Berry’s shoulder look okay, Xerri number one ruck, Brodie fit/Fyfe, Crisp losing points with new game plan, Ridley just ****e now, Whitfield fit and others. And that is just my teams questions not including injury and Covid.

I agree with this.

One thought that has occurred to me is that a lot of coaches seem to be putting a lot of weight on the information gained in R1 - hence the desire to trade.

Placing weight on this information is fair enough, but some may be underestimating how much additional information we will gain in R2.

It already looks like we are going to have a 1+ week delay on the main rookie some of us missed, and get 1-2 more good defensive rookies, which may allow a different structure. There’s still team selections and nine games to get through.

 

[Monya Meow Meow]

Martin missing means no trades for me unless a surprise injury/omission/health protocol forces my hand.

Not gonna trade my premiums and happy to look at Berry's shoulder 1 more week...

 

[PC]

I am normally an advocate for holding trades, especially premiums, maybe next week if a correction is needed. If you missed rookies and you want to keep 2 trades up your sleeve for next week I'd pull the trigger there.
However there is huge amount of value this year. And most of the value are players we all talked about pre season. I don't know what move would be optimal without a crystal ball, however if you want to seriously contend for overall I think you have to make a move and be aggressive. Just holding your Prems won't get you 50k.
I'm strongly considering gawn to english, and Steele to Heeney. Which is like trading away 2 aces for a queen/jack. It's not because I think Steele and gawn won't come good and score well, it's the value from the other 2. I pocket 400k and get 2 forward IMO top 6 forwards. Even if Stef comes back I see english going 100-105 this season, bloke looks stronger and fitter. And Heeney looks mint and so fit.
The 400k wouldn't be blown, I'd be conserving it for upgrade time, which means I can bring in who I want and in some ways more importantly trade out the weaker rookies first.
I have all the right rookies and midpricers are fine.
I wouldn't trade til rd5/6 unless I had to after this and I would rather do these trades this week unless something major happens next week and we are forced to trade elsewhere.

While I don't have an issue with trading underperforming prems, the question that comes to mind Torress is what has change in one game for you to make this decision?

None of the players did anything really unexpected. We know English and Heeney can score well, we know Gawn and Steele will have their off days and neither appear injured.

Again, happy if you think you stuffed up but you did/didn't pick players for a reason. One game isn't enough information for drastic moves in my mind.

 

[Game of Sloanes]

Anyone considering Whitfield to Hewett?
Allows me Ward to Rowell.. very tempting

 

[PC]

Anyone considering Whitfield to Hewett?
Allows me Ward to Rowell.. very tempting

Considering Whitfield to Seagull 1 via Berry to Rachele. Depends on teams and injuries though.

 

[Game of Sloanes]

Considering Whitfield to Seagull 1 via Berry to Rachele. Depends on teams and injuries though.

Not bad, i was fortunate to start Rachele, the only rookie i've missed is Martin it seems
Martin missing this week allows me to potentially make some moves before needing to trade him in

If Berry plays this weekend i'd assume you give him another look, that 60 point first half shows a lot of upside and could be worth the risk, its just a shame he went missing in the second half

 

[inwhiterooms]

Anyone considering Whitfield to Hewett?
Allows me Ward to Rowell.. very tempting

Not loving a lot of the trades mentioned in here but that is definitely something to consider. Any other issues in your team or rookies that you’ve missed?

 

[Deeman1]

Anyone considering Whitfield to Hewett?
Allows me Ward to Rowell.. very tempting

No, but with the news that Martin is out and no longer a priority I might just do Whitfiled/Ridley to Lloyd (using existing bank) and reassess Hewett next week for the other given that the only rookie I think I would be looking at next week is Hayes after we have seen Ryders movements.

@Bomber18 I took Ridley on your recomendation, any reason you have seen to jump off yet ?

 

[Game of Sloanes]

Not loving a lot of the trades mentioned in here but that is definitely something to consider. Any other issues in your team or rookies that you’ve missed?

It seems i've only missed Martin, a lot are rage trading Gawn and Steele, they're definite holds and not going anywhere
Gawn scored under 100 in round 1 last 4 years in a row.
Steele 91 in round 1 last year and for most of the year he was M1

No, but with the news that Martin is out and no longer a priority I might just do Whitfiled/Ridley to Lloyd (using existing bank) and reassess Hewett next week for the other given that the only rookie I think I would be looking at next week is Hayes after we have seen Ryders movements.

@Bomber18 I took Ridley on your recomendation, any reason you have seen to jump off yet ?

Whitfield to Hall/Lloyd was my first choice but i'm 20k short, but if i rage trade Ridley i can get there but it means keeping Whitfield.
If Whitfield is injured like whats being rumoured i think hes an automatic trade out.

 

[Peter56]

No, but with the news that Martin is out and no longer a priority I might just do Whitfiled/Ridley to Lloyd (using existing bank) and reassess Hewett next week for the other given that the only rookie I think I would be looking at next week is Hayes after we have seen Ryders movements.

@Bomber18 I took Ridley on your recomendation, any reason you have seen to jump off yet ?

I have been mulling this trade over as well. But what if Lloyd only scores an 80 -90 as well? Would be a trade down and no better off. So for now and especially with Martin out, it's no trades for me this week. Another weeks information to try and make the right choice and a few loophole options on my bench.

 

[wolfbunny]

One game isn't enough information for drastic moves in my mind.

The 1 practice game/match they play and some training notes is all we have.
So in theory you have just doubled your available info after round 1.
Sometimes that is more than enough info to realise you have gone down the wrong path.

Personally I'm sitting on Ridley, Crisp and Ryan down back for one more week. But I really didn't like Crisp and with barnyard coming back in I'm not sure where Crisp goes?

 

[aj74]

Wondering if we should set up a thread for everyone who says they'll do a couple of early trades this week and then do no more until round 6-7. They can put their names and ideas in now and then get back to us in a month and a half and see how they went with that.

Coz as someone who spent 16 years trying to quit smoking, I'm pretty familiar with the "just a couple won't hurt, then she'll be golden" mindset.

View: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6l2ymx
. The parallels in that video are amazing, even down to all us "mind your trades" types breaking our golden rules by round 4.

Maybe we could set up a group session: "Hi. I'm aj74 and I'm a tradeaholic." And everyone else is all: "Hi aj74". And then I tell them all about sitting up at 10 on a Sunday night, compulsively hitting refresh waiting for the game to open from lockout again. Jonesing for that dopamine hit from acquiring a shiny new recruit. Scratching my arms and hitting up strangers in the Coles car park for a trade boost: "Hey man... you don't know what it's like to be 5k short of Pat Lipinski."

Yep. It's a problem. But recognising it is the first of those 12 steps. And in a place like this, there is no judgement, just the will to be better versions of ourselves. Let us pray: God, give me the over-performing rookie to be a semi keeper to the byes; the maxed out mid-pricer ready for upgrading to super-premo, and the wisdom to tell the difference between the two.

Amen

 

[stephen]

This thread strongly suggests there is a very strong correlation between playing SC and severe ADD

I still am not sure what players anyone could have to be making trades this week, basically means you've got at least 4 things that need fixing next week!

April 2021:

lol I just got diagnosed with ADHD. Happy that after struggling with the disorder for most of my life it was an SC mistake that really compelled me to do something about it*.

Moral of the story is that if there's anyone out there who finds themselves putting the VC on a Thursday night game, even when you rationally know it's not your best option, or refusing to take a good VC score because you want to roll the dice, or spending days thinking carefully about what trades to make and then impulsively doing something different just because you felt like it in the moment, well, maybe you too should book an appointment with your local psychiatrist.

*don't worry, it wasn't really the SC mistake that made me do something about it; it's just a funny example of its effect.

March 2022:

Doctor: So how's it going? Are you finding the medication helpful?

Me:

 

[PC]

The 1 practice game/match they play and some training notes is all we have.
So in theory you have just doubled your available info after round 1.
Sometimes that is more than enough info to realise you have gone down the wrong path.

Personally I'm sitting on Ridley, Crisp and Ryan down back for one more week. But I really didn't like Crisp and with barnyard coming back in I'm not sure where Crisp goes?

Agree there is more info but English over Gawn was a preseason structure choice that had a big bearing on the rest of the team I found. No English meant no Cripps for me but did allow Xerri at F6, Miller at M2 and one back rookie on field.

To reset now means you are two trades down compared to someone who did structure that way, not to mention last week's points are gone.

Anyho, just my 2c.

 

[Erek22]

Trading is a fun part of the game, the world of the path not travelled .

Would be an interesting thread if everyone playing the trading game this round kept track of points and money earned (or lost) over the next four rounds compared to if you kept your original set up.
Example: Crisp (571k/69) to Foley (244K/no points until this week if named lol)
Berry (268.5k/ 67) to Petracca (606.2/ no points yet)

 

[NT.Thunder]

Trading is a fun part of the game, the world of the path not travelled .

Would be an interesting thread if everyone playing the trading game this round kept track of points and money earned (or lost) over the next four rounds though compared to if you kept your original set up.

Trading is always best done with hindsight, problem is......
This thread is directly linked to the Rant Thread

 

[Torress]

While I don't have an issue with trading underperforming prems, the question that comes to mind Torress is what has change in one game for you to make this decision?

None of the players did anything really unexpected. We know English and Heeney can score well, we know Gawn and Steele will have their off days and neither appear injured.

Again, happy if you think you stuffed up but you did/didn't pick players for a reason. One game isn't enough information for drastic moves in my mind.

I hear you mate, and I am normally a real tight bigger when it comes to trading early. It's the 400k mate. I've got absolutely no doubt that Steele is a top 8 mid easily and gawn will be a top 3 ruck. I've nailed my rookies and midpricers. I acknowledge that a trade like this will in reality probably lose some points. But what if it didn't? And I pocket a whopping 400k? Steele and gawn and huge clangers, Steele needs some help and the game was too open for him I felt. last year I went all top end Prems and rookies. I always ignore value picks and play it safe and I've been playing supercoach since it started. Playing it safe won't often put me in contention. Had a few top 1000 finishes playing it safe, going top end Prems and rookies and coming home strong. Honestly mate feel like I've got to live by the sword this year.
Deep down, I know not trading is probably the "correct " move. I'm not even sold on doing this btw, just really trying to think it through

 

[warewolves]

The approach to Round 2 trades is generating a lively debate. As with a lot of things - IMO - its not a black and white thing, everyone needs to evaluate and think it through in terms of their own squad. For what its worth, this is the way I am heading.
I have pursued a value/mid-pricer structure - only 2 players over $560K and so fewer rookies than most.
I was hoping I'd pick the eyes out of the mid-pricers, but realistically this wasn't going to happen, so I held back about $200K for early correction trades. ie. I was expecting to use up early trades to strengthen my team.

I agree that round 1 results probably don't tell us much we didn't know about the premiums, they can reveal important info elsewhere (again IMO).
* mid-pricers - eg. players who have (sharply) improved, had beneficial role-changes or recovered from injury etc & returned to earlier scoring levels. Conversely we might see some downside issues we weren't aware of.
* rookies - obviously as we don't know too much about them beforehand.

I can now see four value players (McDonald, Lipinski, Houston & Green) that I don't have that I think might clearly score better than a couple of players that I did pick and who now have some negatives associated with them (Berry, Whitfield). I also missed Martin among my rookies.

I will get Martin later, but am going to bring in a couple of the others this week & see if it might be possible work in another "correction" trade next week.

 

[Slacker]

Steele, Bowey, Ward to Rowell, Houston, Lipinski is where i'm at now.

Has some merit!

 

[Slacker]

It already looks like we are going to have a 1+ week delay on the main rookie some of us missed, and get 1-2 more good defensive rookies, which may allow a different structure. There’s still team selections and nine games to get through.

Good points you make.

My concern for the immediate, is trying to improve my on field scoring and stay in touch and not so much my rookie bench options...I'm reasonably confident plenty of rookies will present.
Round 1 showed me enough to identify at least a few trades that I reckon would with improve my teams on field score with little chance of downside, except, and it's the big one, loss of trades and that's what I'm agonizing over as established SC lore is decidedly against it.
In the past this may have been true but are we now living in a new reality?