2023: SC Planning Thread
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Off topic for a brief moment - looking at the bye structure has triggered a burning beef i have...
Is it just me or is there something fishy going on with GCS and Geelong?
The GCS are the AFLs team - im of the opinion that there was some concessions, deals made around GAJ as the face of the Suns expansion that are still in effect. The fact no one talks about it in the media.
Someone here may know the history better than me. I thought it was over when AFL gave Geelong compensation pick 19 for Motlop, to facilitate the GAJ return movement. Thats what Hawks got for Buddy Franklin ***.
Yet theres been a few pick swaps like Cats got pick 27 for 2 picks in the 40 to 50 range 2 yr ago and followed up with giving Cats Bowes and pick 7 to take him? Just in time to get their man Jhye Clarke theyre grooming as Selwood replacement and future leader of the club.
Thoughts? 🤔
Is it just me or is there something fishy going on with GCS and Geelong?
The GCS are the AFLs team - im of the opinion that there was some concessions, deals made around GAJ as the face of the Suns expansion that are still in effect. The fact no one talks about it in the media.
Someone here may know the history better than me. I thought it was over when AFL gave Geelong compensation pick 19 for Motlop, to facilitate the GAJ return movement. Thats what Hawks got for Buddy Franklin ***.
Yet theres been a few pick swaps like Cats got pick 27 for 2 picks in the 40 to 50 range 2 yr ago and followed up with giving Cats Bowes and pick 7 to take him? Just in time to get their man Jhye Clarke theyre grooming as Selwood replacement and future leader of the club.
Thoughts? 🤔
Nothing to see here , move along .$$$$$$
"The Cats shored up their long-term future by landing former first-round picks and ex-Geelong Falcons Tanner Bruhn and Ollie Henry from GWS and Collingwood respectively, while Geelong also received Jack Bowes and Pick 7 from Gold Coast in exchange for just a future third rounder in one of the biggest steals in trade history".
Bowes (24) Round 1 pick 10
Bruhn (20) Round 1 pick 12
Henry (20) Round 1 pick 17
Win the flag and get (4) first round picks. Well played Geelong.
"The Cats shored up their long-term future by landing former first-round picks and ex-Geelong Falcons Tanner Bruhn and Ollie Henry from GWS and Collingwood respectively, while Geelong also received Jack Bowes and Pick 7 from Gold Coast in exchange for just a future third rounder in one of the biggest steals in trade history".
Bowes (24) Round 1 pick 10
Bruhn (20) Round 1 pick 12
Henry (20) Round 1 pick 17
Win the flag and get (4) first round picks. Well played Geelong.
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I love the Cunnington pick. He’s on a close watch to see what the Roos CB rotations looks like - but given his age 32 and the Roos likely longer term view in premiership I don’t anticipate him being front and center unfortunately. That said right role and I’d even drop Dunkley because his price is that good!
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Cunnington is priced at $419,00?
What is the expectation in terms of average either during a short period (if viewed as a stepping stone) or season long (if viewed as a keeper)? Given he historically boasts a poor kick to handball ratio, is there a heavy reliance on Cunnington returning to that 25+ or 30+ disposals on a consistent basis along with 5+ tackles to ensure he minimises the sub 80 matches to push an average close to or in excess of 100?
What is the expectation in terms of average either during a short period (if viewed as a stepping stone) or season long (if viewed as a keeper)? Given he historically boasts a poor kick to handball ratio, is there a heavy reliance on Cunnington returning to that 25+ or 30+ disposals on a consistent basis along with 5+ tackles to ensure he minimises the sub 80 matches to push an average close to or in excess of 100?
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Firstly I don’t think he’ll have the role. But if he does, priced at 76, he’s had 2 seasons in the last 4 with reasonable sample size with a 102 and 109 avg. That is about the 30ppg increase that I target for midpricer with upside to keeper, in forward line. Being 100k more than many of the Hopper or Mr Elise Perry types I think he’ll get squeezed out, with slightest of uncertainty… I genuinely love a fallen premo…but I get your concerns there are many seasons prior where he was not premo.
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With Sam Walsh out an unlikely to be at full fitness for the first half Hewett (613k) or even Cerra (504k), Kennedy (532k)?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...y-wait-says-spine-expert-20221227-p5c8ws.html
For me I’ll look at Cerra, good end to season, price deflated by injury game and return game, right age for breakout.
I’m sure there is another mid at Carleton…argh thank god for the Brownlow rule.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...y-wait-says-spine-expert-20221227-p5c8ws.html
For me I’ll look at Cerra, good end to season, price deflated by injury game and return game, right age for breakout.
I’m sure there is another mid at Carleton…argh thank god for the Brownlow rule.
With a lot of teams having Hopper in the mids (M5 or M6) how are coaches looking at him in the long term? I mean is he a keeper or purely a stepping stone.
My thought is that Richmond have been very successful in recent years with pressure around the stoppages and I assume they will continue with that style, only hoping to do it better in 2023. In that sense Hopper is a good fit as he was near the top at GWS for clearance stoppages. But that Richmond style while successful in the real world has been a fail in terms of SC scorers.
Since 2018 the Tigers have not had a mid eligible player ave higher than 104. Hopper himself has never average over 97 in a season so I do not think it is likely he is keeper material. So as a stepping stone (say upgrade at round 11?) previous stats indicate that by round 11 he will have probably produced 5 or 6 scores that are sub 97 and some possibly in the 60’s or 70’s. Don’t get me wrong, a guy priced in the mid 60’s who can ave the mid 90’s looks like a no brainer but the query is, just because he appears under priced does that alone make him a good structural pick.
Anyone start Matty Rowell last season? His start price was 342k (not far off Hopper). He ripped out a 157 in round 1. His peak price was $488k in round 14 after a 123. That was on top of other tons 103 (twice) and a 125 in round 12. Did that make him a successful stepping stone trade?
I am not a perma bear on Hopper but just tossing the question out there for discussion.
My thought is that Richmond have been very successful in recent years with pressure around the stoppages and I assume they will continue with that style, only hoping to do it better in 2023. In that sense Hopper is a good fit as he was near the top at GWS for clearance stoppages. But that Richmond style while successful in the real world has been a fail in terms of SC scorers.
Since 2018 the Tigers have not had a mid eligible player ave higher than 104. Hopper himself has never average over 97 in a season so I do not think it is likely he is keeper material. So as a stepping stone (say upgrade at round 11?) previous stats indicate that by round 11 he will have probably produced 5 or 6 scores that are sub 97 and some possibly in the 60’s or 70’s. Don’t get me wrong, a guy priced in the mid 60’s who can ave the mid 90’s looks like a no brainer but the query is, just because he appears under priced does that alone make him a good structural pick.
Anyone start Matty Rowell last season? His start price was 342k (not far off Hopper). He ripped out a 157 in round 1. His peak price was $488k in round 14 after a 123. That was on top of other tons 103 (twice) and a 125 in round 12. Did that make him a successful stepping stone trade?
I am not a perma bear on Hopper but just tossing the question out there for discussion.
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The reason Richmond recruited Taranto and Hopper was two pronged:
Taranto will not be stationed in the forwards like he was at GWS, he will be played in the midfield to take advantage of his endurance capacity (he is leading the endurance training at Richmond).
The burning question is how will Hopper score, I expect an increase on the 97 average (2021), simply due to increased workload.
Richmond midfield players from 2022 and starting position in 2023
- Improve contested possessions - Richmond Ranked 11th
- Improve stoppages clearance - Richmond had 2 players in the top 50 ( Dion Prestia [31] and Toby Nankervis [50])
Taranto will not be stationed in the forwards like he was at GWS, he will be played in the midfield to take advantage of his endurance capacity (he is leading the endurance training at Richmond).
The burning question is how will Hopper score, I expect an increase on the 97 average (2021), simply due to increased workload.
Richmond midfield players from 2022 and starting position in 2023
- Liam Baker - Mid/Fwd (replace Kane Lambert)
- Shai Bolton - Mid/Fwd
- Trent Cotchin - Mid (will be rested to reduce workload)
- Noah Cumberland - Mid/Fwd
- Dustin Martin - Mid/Fwd
- Kamdyn Mcintosh - Mid/Def
- Marlion Pickett - Mid (plays his best on the wing)
- Dion Prestia - Mid
- Jayden Short - Mid/Def (moved back to defence as there less need to play in the midfield)
- Jack Graham - Mid/Fwd (replace Kane Lambert)
- Jack Ross - Mid/Def (midfield is his spot but is training with the defence)
- Tyler Sonsie - Mid
