Discussion 2023: Rate My Team
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Stayed away as long as possible this year but couldn’t quite make it to February.
Picking a team to start seems a bit tougher after the gifts of Cogs, Brodie and Sicily last year. Feel like nailing the defence is key to a strong start this season but not quite sure what that looks like yet.
Dawson, Dale, Daicos, Yeo, Ginbey, McKenna, Weddle, Wilmot.
Clarry, Miller, Macrae, Steele, Hopper, Goater, Phillips, Sinn, Johnson, Baker, Drury
Marshall, Cameron, Madden
Dunkley, Cogs, Rozee, Fyfe, McLean, Phillipou, Van Rooyen, Richards.
Bit of a stretch to get to 15 non rookie scores. But seems to be they way to get your season going early the last few years.
Would love Dale up to a 600k type but it would cost shipping out Cogs for Taranto. Reckon Cogs is being criminally overlooked as potentially the #1 forwards this season and Taranto being equally overhyped.
Mids pick themselves I think, set aside your 2.6mil and spend it on whichever 4 tickle your fancy and throw in Hopper and it’s pretty hard to get wrong. Don’t think it’s feasible to go 6 deep this year but we’ll see what happens with the rookies.
Outside Marshall, rucks is anyone’s guess, if anyone figures it out do us all a favour and let us know.
Forwards, as usual, the toughest line to pick. 3+ Fyfe or 4 premiums the 2 likely structures. If Fyfes fit it’s hard to discount him. However a Dunk, Cogs, Taranto, Rozee forward line feels really nice.
Feels good to be back on SCS, like walking home with the sunrise after a big night out.
Picking a team to start seems a bit tougher after the gifts of Cogs, Brodie and Sicily last year. Feel like nailing the defence is key to a strong start this season but not quite sure what that looks like yet.
Dawson, Dale, Daicos, Yeo, Ginbey, McKenna, Weddle, Wilmot.
Clarry, Miller, Macrae, Steele, Hopper, Goater, Phillips, Sinn, Johnson, Baker, Drury
Marshall, Cameron, Madden
Dunkley, Cogs, Rozee, Fyfe, McLean, Phillipou, Van Rooyen, Richards.
Bit of a stretch to get to 15 non rookie scores. But seems to be they way to get your season going early the last few years.
Would love Dale up to a 600k type but it would cost shipping out Cogs for Taranto. Reckon Cogs is being criminally overlooked as potentially the #1 forwards this season and Taranto being equally overhyped.
Mids pick themselves I think, set aside your 2.6mil and spend it on whichever 4 tickle your fancy and throw in Hopper and it’s pretty hard to get wrong. Don’t think it’s feasible to go 6 deep this year but we’ll see what happens with the rookies.
Outside Marshall, rucks is anyone’s guess, if anyone figures it out do us all a favour and let us know.
Forwards, as usual, the toughest line to pick. 3+ Fyfe or 4 premiums the 2 likely structures. If Fyfes fit it’s hard to discount him. However a Dunk, Cogs, Taranto, Rozee forward line feels really nice.
Feels good to be back on SCS, like walking home with the sunrise after a big night out.
Slowly getting it to come together
D: Docherty , Daicos , Salem , Yeo + 4
M: Bontempelli , Brayshaw , Coniglio * , Mitchell , Rozee * , Taranto * , Hopper , Ashcroft (?) + 3
R: Grundy , Cameron * / Madden *
F: Dunkley * , Fyfe * , Thomas * , Allen , B King , McLean * / Bruce + 1
Would actually like to start Anderson & Green (still might) but probably not going to be Top 12 mids , too many F options I like so will just start Coniglio , Rozee & Taranto as mids then swing them forward when I upgrade Fyfe & Thomas + 1
Hopefully their are not too many F DPP additions and they end up Top 8-10.
D: Docherty , Daicos , Salem , Yeo + 4
M: Bontempelli , Brayshaw , Coniglio * , Mitchell , Rozee * , Taranto * , Hopper , Ashcroft (?) + 3
R: Grundy , Cameron * / Madden *
F: Dunkley * , Fyfe * , Thomas * , Allen , B King , McLean * / Bruce + 1
Would actually like to start Anderson & Green (still might) but probably not going to be Top 12 mids , too many F options I like so will just start Coniglio , Rozee & Taranto as mids then swing them forward when I upgrade Fyfe & Thomas + 1
Hopefully their are not too many F DPP additions and they end up Top 8-10.
Always good to see a different approach, if for nothing else but to make you think about our structures, individual players and trading strategies.
So, exploring that, I see 11 keepers. Which therefore requires at least 22 trades to get to a full team.
I'm working on the premise we don't have a situation like last year where Cogs and Brodie become keepers from expensive rookie/low mid price range.
Therefore, with a structure like this, I'd want to make sure the players are as durable as possible. My standout change on that basis would be English to Witts, given his injury history, especially with the recent concussions.
So, exploring that, I see 11 keepers. Which therefore requires at least 22 trades to get to a full team.
I'm working on the premise we don't have a situation like last year where Cogs and Brodie become keepers from expensive rookie/low mid price range.
Therefore, with a structure like this, I'd want to make sure the players are as durable as possible. My standout change on that basis would be English to Witts, given his injury history, especially with the recent concussions.
Time for the first draft, at this point I feel stupidly good about this.
Rookies are all just placeholders, some I've hit names that actually matter but I always try to get a decent balance of premium/cheap guys to be flexible. 20k leftover.
Backs
Stewart/Doch - These names will change every draft I'm sure.
Yeo - Until he's not fit, I have to take the value. If he stays fit and is close to his best he's a genuine premium chance, heck he's top defender level talented.
5 Rookies - I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I ended up with 6 rookies or even 7 here if Yeo goes down. There are so many names that are chances, there's definitely some premiums to be paid on a few but they'd be worth it.
Structure - I see limited upside in the top 5 guys, I think they're all good premium picks but I don't see much hurt from any of them right now. I'd probably go down to a Daicos type here if I need to generate cash for other spots. There's definitely a potential 7 rookie structure in play here, imo right now.
Mids
Laird/Oliver/Miller/Bont/Steele - See my post in the midfield thread for thoughts here. Basically I'm bullish on all and bullish on enough others. I've gone super premium heavy so very easy to restructure if Titch/Green types look like must haves.
6 Rookies - If I had to go more I would but it doesn't look exceptionally deep this year. I'll always structure to get the best rookies where possible but I like this balance and really want to load up on the premiums, I definitely wouldn't hate going Green for a Doch type if the balance is there but probably too much. Mids aren't changing because of DPP and if anything I've got Bont who is one of the most likely to actually be a DPP.
Rucks
Witts - It's early but right now I'd say he's my most locked player alongside Rozee. This is the one position I genuinely dislike every player I'm trying to pick other than him. I don't hate that he's pretty unique right now either, this is a hill I'd choose to die on if you made me for a relatively unique play.
Marshall - Best of a bad bunch and probably the most pivotal spot structurally if I did go another way, ultimately I think the Marshall/NicNat/English/Darcy group is a coinflip so may as well go the cheapest. I'd say Cameron is the main backup. Draper is the wildcard.
Structure - I don't want two premiums here, I'd MUCH rather Coniglio forward than Marshall but until an alternative exists I don't have any choice.
Forwards
Dunkley/Rozee/Taranto - I prefer Coniglio over Taranto but couldn't fit it this time around but Marshall > Cameron allows it so it's easy if he looks must have level in preseason. I think Coniglio is better but both are equally underpriced and Coniglio durability is a hot mess so he's the one to avoid of the foursome, honestly I haven't really looked at any other forwards seriously at this point. Zorko is the standout value play who is most likely to demand selection, imo. His best case is probably similar to Taranto's best case but a lot more questions than answers right now.
Fyfe - Same story as Yeo, I'd bet good money he scores at F6 levels if he stays fit, there's obvious F1 potential if he flies. Ultimately at this price there's more risk than reward of not taking him. Like Yeo there's every chance he eliminates himself. Thomas is cheaper and just as tempting to me as an alternative.
Structure - I actually don't want this many "keeper" picks, it's a big reason I'm not going Cameron in the rucks right now is that he's another keeper in the position that by default I'd pick the least keepers. Ultimately though I see too much value in Dunkley, Rozee and Taranto to avoid them. I feel far better on their upside than any defenders and ultimately the starting side is value propositions first and foremost. Sicily might average 113 again but Rozee getting to 105 is a much better starting pick and so here I am!
Rookies are all just placeholders, some I've hit names that actually matter but I always try to get a decent balance of premium/cheap guys to be flexible. 20k leftover.
Backs
Stewart/Doch - These names will change every draft I'm sure.
Yeo - Until he's not fit, I have to take the value. If he stays fit and is close to his best he's a genuine premium chance, heck he's top defender level talented.
5 Rookies - I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I ended up with 6 rookies or even 7 here if Yeo goes down. There are so many names that are chances, there's definitely some premiums to be paid on a few but they'd be worth it.
Structure - I see limited upside in the top 5 guys, I think they're all good premium picks but I don't see much hurt from any of them right now. I'd probably go down to a Daicos type here if I need to generate cash for other spots. There's definitely a potential 7 rookie structure in play here, imo right now.
Mids
Laird/Oliver/Miller/Bont/Steele - See my post in the midfield thread for thoughts here. Basically I'm bullish on all and bullish on enough others. I've gone super premium heavy so very easy to restructure if Titch/Green types look like must haves.
6 Rookies - If I had to go more I would but it doesn't look exceptionally deep this year. I'll always structure to get the best rookies where possible but I like this balance and really want to load up on the premiums, I definitely wouldn't hate going Green for a Doch type if the balance is there but probably too much. Mids aren't changing because of DPP and if anything I've got Bont who is one of the most likely to actually be a DPP.
Rucks
Witts - It's early but right now I'd say he's my most locked player alongside Rozee. This is the one position I genuinely dislike every player I'm trying to pick other than him. I don't hate that he's pretty unique right now either, this is a hill I'd choose to die on if you made me for a relatively unique play.
Marshall - Best of a bad bunch and probably the most pivotal spot structurally if I did go another way, ultimately I think the Marshall/NicNat/English/Darcy group is a coinflip so may as well go the cheapest. I'd say Cameron is the main backup. Draper is the wildcard.
Structure - I don't want two premiums here, I'd MUCH rather Coniglio forward than Marshall but until an alternative exists I don't have any choice.
Forwards
Dunkley/Rozee/Taranto - I prefer Coniglio over Taranto but couldn't fit it this time around but Marshall > Cameron allows it so it's easy if he looks must have level in preseason. I think Coniglio is better but both are equally underpriced and Coniglio durability is a hot mess so he's the one to avoid of the foursome, honestly I haven't really looked at any other forwards seriously at this point. Zorko is the standout value play who is most likely to demand selection, imo. His best case is probably similar to Taranto's best case but a lot more questions than answers right now.
Fyfe - Same story as Yeo, I'd bet good money he scores at F6 levels if he stays fit, there's obvious F1 potential if he flies. Ultimately at this price there's more risk than reward of not taking him. Like Yeo there's every chance he eliminates himself. Thomas is cheaper and just as tempting to me as an alternative.
Structure - I actually don't want this many "keeper" picks, it's a big reason I'm not going Cameron in the rucks right now is that he's another keeper in the position that by default I'd pick the least keepers. Ultimately though I see too much value in Dunkley, Rozee and Taranto to avoid them. I feel far better on their upside than any defenders and ultimately the starting side is value propositions first and foremost. Sicily might average 113 again but Rozee getting to 105 is a much better starting pick and so here I am!
I'm only new here Wogi so don't know what your usual SC M.O is at the start of a season but you seem to be taking an approach that is minimising speculation risk, except for the 2 fallen premos Yeo and Fyfe. Do you think guys like Young, Daicos, Hopper, Green, Warner, Cerra etc are not worth the risk at the start of the season? Is it in your plans to maybe jump on guys like that later on after they've proved themselves/ improved? cheers. How'd you rank last season btw?...you said not having Sicily hurt a fair bit.
Hey mate,
Great to have you back in action with your epic research preseason posts, always insightful.
No issue with your premium picks or 2 mid pricers in Yeo & Fyfe but there are a couple of guys I am surprised at you not picking.
Oscar Allen - 210K with great job security/ low sub risk.
Hooper - 332K as the main inside bull at the tigers. Round 15 bye so easy flip to premium around then when maxed out.
Phillips - 158K, having a great preseason, looks a lock for round 1.
I note you have just 20K in the bank with a lot of rookie place holders in the 123/117/102K range. Just not sure how feasible that will be, those 3 guys above I think add some security to the team structure/ lessen the risk.
2,609 last year. Not a great year but I'd dare say I was one of the highest without Sicily 
I actually like most of those names (not Cerra) and I'm normally pretty speculative but this year I have that weird feeling that a lot of the top premiums this year are actually underpriced, I normally find a lot of reasons to avoid the top priced guys but this year is just really different feel so far. I'm sure it will change when the games start.
Daicos I definitely like as an alternative if I need to free up cash.
I really like Green, I'm very high on Warner but not sure I can pick him with Horse.
Hopper I see as a cash cow with extremely low M8 potential, I prefer the keeper potential of Fyfe and Yeo over him though, just a lower threshold. I think he's a fine pick but with this structure I'd expect there will be enough rookies to not need him.
So yeah, basically I think that a lot of the top end guys have upside, defenders not so much to be fair, and when I can take value and safety, that's a perfect starting pick, imo. I think with so many trades we should be targeting having the best of the best on each line so I don't love picking guys who I think realistically are more M8 targets than they are M3/M4 types as it does really limit options. I also found it incredibly restricting last year to lots of forward and back premiums at the start as it really does close off options in season, the midfielders I feel are a lot safer bet to hit the top 10 than trying to pick defenders and the value returns are generally better at other positions, not to mention the likes of Crisp and Short who could get DEF status or the long list of guys that could get FWD status also.
So yeah, I could definitely see a case where I try and squeeze even one more premium mid in. Tremendous value in those names you've gone with and I think they're all rock solid starting options, I've just got a strategy in mind that doesn't include them yet
Thanks for the feedback!
I actually like most of those names (not Cerra) and I'm normally pretty speculative but this year I have that weird feeling that a lot of the top premiums this year are actually underpriced, I normally find a lot of reasons to avoid the top priced guys but this year is just really different feel so far. I'm sure it will change when the games start.
Daicos I definitely like as an alternative if I need to free up cash.
I really like Green, I'm very high on Warner but not sure I can pick him with Horse.
Hopper I see as a cash cow with extremely low M8 potential, I prefer the keeper potential of Fyfe and Yeo over him though, just a lower threshold. I think he's a fine pick but with this structure I'd expect there will be enough rookies to not need him.
So yeah, basically I think that a lot of the top end guys have upside, defenders not so much to be fair, and when I can take value and safety, that's a perfect starting pick, imo. I think with so many trades we should be targeting having the best of the best on each line so I don't love picking guys who I think realistically are more M8 targets than they are M3/M4 types as it does really limit options. I also found it incredibly restricting last year to lots of forward and back premiums at the start as it really does close off options in season, the midfielders I feel are a lot safer bet to hit the top 10 than trying to pick defenders and the value returns are generally better at other positions, not to mention the likes of Crisp and Short who could get DEF status or the long list of guys that could get FWD status also.
So yeah, I could definitely see a case where I try and squeeze even one more premium mid in. Tremendous value in those names you've gone with and I think they're all rock solid starting options, I've just got a strategy in mind that doesn't include them yet
Thanks for the feedback!
Not a lot of thought has gone into the rookies to be honest as no real point yet, just picked a mostly random smattering.
Definitely like Allen and will be watching things closely there.
Docherty down to a Daicos type or even another rookie is the main freedom move I have in mind with this structure, I think my ideal outcome would be to have Yeo at D2 right now. The forwards I'm feeling claustrophobic on, I really want Taranto/Coniglio/Dunkley/Rozee but I can't help but remember last year where I ended up wedged by having too many premium forwards and backs to start with which really hurt my season.
This year I'm targeting the top end mids that I trust, trying to have as few trades as possible in the rucks and leave the forwards and defenders as open as possible. I honestly think my ideal target would actually be to have Macrae as well if he looks to have the right role this year but also open to a handful of others.
Hopper definitely has potential, I dare say if either of Yeo or Fyfe stumble then he's my next up in that price range.
Cheers mate!
Definitely like Allen and will be watching things closely there.
Docherty down to a Daicos type or even another rookie is the main freedom move I have in mind with this structure, I think my ideal outcome would be to have Yeo at D2 right now. The forwards I'm feeling claustrophobic on, I really want Taranto/Coniglio/Dunkley/Rozee but I can't help but remember last year where I ended up wedged by having too many premium forwards and backs to start with which really hurt my season.
This year I'm targeting the top end mids that I trust, trying to have as few trades as possible in the rucks and leave the forwards and defenders as open as possible. I honestly think my ideal target would actually be to have Macrae as well if he looks to have the right role this year but also open to a handful of others.
Hopper definitely has potential, I dare say if either of Yeo or Fyfe stumble then he's my next up in that price range.
Cheers mate!
2,609 last year. Not a great year but I'd dare say I was one of the highest without Sicily
I actually like most of those names (not Cerra) and I'm normally pretty speculative but this year I have that weird feeling that a lot of the top premiums this year are actually underpriced, I normally find a lot of reasons to avoid the top priced guys but this year is just really different feel so far. I'm sure it will change when the games start.
Daicos I definitely like as an alternative if I need to free up cash.
I really like Green, I'm very high on Warner but not sure I can pick him with Horse.
Hopper I see as a cash cow with extremely low M8 potential, I prefer the keeper potential of Fyfe and Yeo over him though, just a lower threshold. I think he's a fine pick but with this structure I'd expect there will be enough rookies to not need him.
So yeah, basically I think that a lot of the top end guys have upside, defenders not so much to be fair, and when I can take value and safety, that's a perfect starting pick, imo. I think with so many trades we should be targeting having the best of the best on each line so I don't love picking guys who I think realistically are more M8 targets than they are M3/M4 types as it does really limit options. I also found it incredibly restricting last year to lots of forward and back premiums at the start as it really does close off options in season, the midfielders I feel are a lot safer bet to hit the top 10 than trying to pick defenders and the value returns are generally better at other positions, not to mention the likes of Crisp and Short who could get DEF status or the long list of guys that could get FWD status also.
So yeah, I could definitely see a case where I try and squeeze even one more premium mid in. Tremendous value in those names you've gone with and I think they're all rock solid starting options, I've just got a strategy in mind that doesn't include them yet
Thanks for the feedback!
I actually like most of those names (not Cerra) and I'm normally pretty speculative but this year I have that weird feeling that a lot of the top premiums this year are actually underpriced, I normally find a lot of reasons to avoid the top priced guys but this year is just really different feel so far. I'm sure it will change when the games start.
Daicos I definitely like as an alternative if I need to free up cash.
I really like Green, I'm very high on Warner but not sure I can pick him with Horse.
Hopper I see as a cash cow with extremely low M8 potential, I prefer the keeper potential of Fyfe and Yeo over him though, just a lower threshold. I think he's a fine pick but with this structure I'd expect there will be enough rookies to not need him.
So yeah, basically I think that a lot of the top end guys have upside, defenders not so much to be fair, and when I can take value and safety, that's a perfect starting pick, imo. I think with so many trades we should be targeting having the best of the best on each line so I don't love picking guys who I think realistically are more M8 targets than they are M3/M4 types as it does really limit options. I also found it incredibly restricting last year to lots of forward and back premiums at the start as it really does close off options in season, the midfielders I feel are a lot safer bet to hit the top 10 than trying to pick defenders and the value returns are generally better at other positions, not to mention the likes of Crisp and Short who could get DEF status or the long list of guys that could get FWD status also.
So yeah, I could definitely see a case where I try and squeeze even one more premium mid in. Tremendous value in those names you've gone with and I think they're all rock solid starting options, I've just got a strategy in mind that doesn't include them yet
Thanks for the feedback!
Honestly haven't got a lot of answers without preseason, all 3 could easily be playing reserves!
Flanders is definitely 3rd though, I don't really get the hype on that one. He's had 1 score above 80 in 3 seasons and I just don't see where the expectations for a sudden boom come from. He's a solid prospect but that's a huge leap from 47 and unless I'm missing something I don't see why we're expecting it. Touk, Anderson and Rowell are the clear first midfield group. You've got Davies, Berry, Sharp and Hollands as young guys competing for midfield minutes and then you've got Swallow, Atkins, Anderson, Holman, Fiorini, Ainsworth, Weller, Tsitas, Blakely, Constable and MacPherson as older guys who'd all love to get midfield minutes also.
Culley I'm big on if his role is right but that's a big question mark right now. Will Shuey be fit? Will Yeo be fit and will he be playing mid if he is? Sheed slots in somewhere. Kelly will get midfield minutes with what they pay him and paid for him, sunk cost fallacy as it is. I think Culley should get big midfield chances this year because he's an exceptional prospect for them and the only big body outside Yeo (who I think plays HB, they've never really filled the Sheppard hole and Yeo can). He's, imo, the clearly most talented of the 3 and has easily the highest ceiling and best path to average 80+ if he has the role.
Windhager I honestly don't know, first question is will Ross Lyon love him as much as Ratten and if he does, will he release him or use him as a tagger. The fact that he never went above 80 last year doesn't bode well for him being able to average it this year. Saints are a hard team to read, I fundamentally see the sport differently to Ratten and so almost everything he does leaves me baffled, Windhager as a tagger was one of the few that didn't and while I think he can be good there's definitely holes that hurt him in a SC fashion that need big improvement. I'm not convinced he'd be in my best 22 if I was picking the Saints side unless they're picking a tagger and as a non-tagger he's basically the same player as most of their other midfielders as a low skill grunt type, albeit more athletic than some of the others. He's got some potential though.
So yeah, I think Culley the clear best option for SC if he gets the role but I don't think I'd be betting on any of them averaging 80+ and I'd only think Culley can get close if he's basically in the main midfield mix. If they could match a Newcombe effort that would be pretty huge and his role was better than I expect any of them to have and he's a more natural SC type than all but Culley as well.
Flanders is definitely 3rd though, I don't really get the hype on that one. He's had 1 score above 80 in 3 seasons and I just don't see where the expectations for a sudden boom come from. He's a solid prospect but that's a huge leap from 47 and unless I'm missing something I don't see why we're expecting it. Touk, Anderson and Rowell are the clear first midfield group. You've got Davies, Berry, Sharp and Hollands as young guys competing for midfield minutes and then you've got Swallow, Atkins, Anderson, Holman, Fiorini, Ainsworth, Weller, Tsitas, Blakely, Constable and MacPherson as older guys who'd all love to get midfield minutes also.
Culley I'm big on if his role is right but that's a big question mark right now. Will Shuey be fit? Will Yeo be fit and will he be playing mid if he is? Sheed slots in somewhere. Kelly will get midfield minutes with what they pay him and paid for him, sunk cost fallacy as it is. I think Culley should get big midfield chances this year because he's an exceptional prospect for them and the only big body outside Yeo (who I think plays HB, they've never really filled the Sheppard hole and Yeo can). He's, imo, the clearly most talented of the 3 and has easily the highest ceiling and best path to average 80+ if he has the role.
Windhager I honestly don't know, first question is will Ross Lyon love him as much as Ratten and if he does, will he release him or use him as a tagger. The fact that he never went above 80 last year doesn't bode well for him being able to average it this year. Saints are a hard team to read, I fundamentally see the sport differently to Ratten and so almost everything he does leaves me baffled, Windhager as a tagger was one of the few that didn't and while I think he can be good there's definitely holes that hurt him in a SC fashion that need big improvement. I'm not convinced he'd be in my best 22 if I was picking the Saints side unless they're picking a tagger and as a non-tagger he's basically the same player as most of their other midfielders as a low skill grunt type, albeit more athletic than some of the others. He's got some potential though.
So yeah, I think Culley the clear best option for SC if he gets the role but I don't think I'd be betting on any of them averaging 80+ and I'd only think Culley can get close if he's basically in the main midfield mix. If they could match a Newcombe effort that would be pretty huge and his role was better than I expect any of them to have and he's a more natural SC type than all but Culley as well.
Goes all the way back to 2013, look at his numbers and what hes actually scored when stationed in the forward 50, hes been a champion but people need to accept that this is a different Nat Fyfe for mine.
If we dont see genuine midfield minutes in the pre season games I can't see how I'm going to pick him.
https://dfsaustralia.com/afl-player-heat-maps/
If we dont see genuine midfield minutes in the pre season games I can't see how I'm going to pick him.
https://dfsaustralia.com/afl-player-heat-maps/
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