Discussion 2023: Rate My Team

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Im not sure what going back to posts 12 months ago looking for dirt achieves but good on you for that one, wasn't the only one questioning him before we saw it in their two pre season games either, if Fyfe shows me the role is better than I think Im prepared to alter my thinking but weve seen nothing on the track to suggest that to date.
I wasn't looking for dirt, I was looking for information on Brodie. I just happened to stumble across the dirt ;)

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I'd personally be very surprised if Fyfe wasn't used as a midfielder.

I dont think he's going to average 115 again, albeit he'd be a couple of injuries from having to take that role, but no reason he can't push 95-100 quite easily if he can stay fit.

This is a guy who averaged 73 as a skinny kid playing as a forward and then jumped to 108 in his second season still playing about 50/50. He only needs 85 so the cut-off is pretty damn low. For comparison a gimpy and completely broken Dusty got that playing as a pure forward in what was an ordinary side last year.

Will be watching closely in the preseason, to me there's very little reason for Fyfe to train with the mids, he already knows the position and his forward craft needs a lot of work.

Definitely not a lock yet but there's plenty of cheaper alternatives and I like to placehold the expensive option in the group as far easier to go cheaper but gets hard to move up.

Fyfe is one of the prime guys who could wreck your season. He's going to be in a majority of teams if he's fit come round one, not taking him is going to be the risky choice and it could be the right one but it's still high risk and relatively low reward, your best case is you're right and you gain a trade and some points over other sides come round 3 and that a few ride him right to the bottom and ruin their seasons. Your worst case is you're one of the few having to trade him in or you have your entire season ruined by doubling down (see wogitalia, 2022 with Sicily, James...).
Think Fyfe's mid time could disappoint. Yes, he may be playing forward and deep forward in simulations, however, if he was going to be playing mid time, he will need the mid simulation time to have the fitness level. The fact they use the same 8 players (not Fyfe) shows some intent not to see him in mids. If Darcy gets injured and Jackson goes prime ruck, probably can say goodbye to any mid time. Think they may limit his mid time till when needed most or not at all to protect him,

Fyfe as a forward is 40-100 player. The best thing he has going for him is those 5 first games that Ferrit has pointed out. He is not the best kick for goal and has high variation in possession when playing forward. Can he make money - yes. I do think there is a number of cheaper options, high desirable forward premiums to pick and hopefully a couple of cheap rookies. I don't love Sheeds for the Eagles as he is a weak fwd compared to Yeo or Hopper who potentially look better scoring potential. The question is how many $300k players can you team sustain.

I had written Fyfe off given I have owned him and then seen him play forward for a 75-80, yet that run means I will not completely rule him out and Freo are a better team last year. Note Suns are no easy beats, then Bulldogs and Lions, so he needs to nail those 4 initial games.

Despite the comments, you guys have kept it above board, well done. It is not hard to spiral given emotions. Think it is good to have our views challenged.
 
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Under 300k apart from Thomas who else do you see for the F4 position that could push 85+ to the Bye.?
Could is a floaty word... I'll go into detail on the ones I like the most and then I'll list a bunch that "could". Let's be honest, at this price they're all very speculative but I'm watching these guys still.

Bruhn - He's a very similar type to Selwood who, like so many at GWS, was played incredibly out of position the past couple of years. That Selwood position is so wide open that he's no certainty but he can score if he gets the role.

Taberner - Has done it before and in a very strong team he could definitely start hot. Especially with Fyfe, Jackson and probably Amiss giving strong support.

Powell - Will watch his role, he can really score when playing, no idea how Clarko will see him, he definitely seemed to get into the bad books last year after a seriously impressive rookie season.

Campbell - Marshall is very injury prone but also their entire KPF group is basically out for half the season so Marshall could end up rucking. This is a pure if the role opens up though, not if Marshall is the ruck.

Butler - I'm intrigued for how Lyon uses him, simply have to watch because he's done it before. Would need to see something special.

Martin - Same deal really, done it before. I don't think he will but I always watch him, has put together one of the most underwhelming careers in recent times but the underlying talent is still there.

Soldo - Same story as Campbell, basically if Nank was injured.

Thomas - You said outside him, but will mention in case anyone doesn't read the original quote.

Ryan - Will watch him, guy you can tell if he's fit or not, his finish to 2020 was absurd and also just about the last time he was fit. Eagles list is incredibly healthy right now and a healthy list creates competition which pushes lazy trainers like Ryan to higher levels, basically a rising tide raises all boats.

Rachele - So talented, love to see him move midfield and getting Rankine helps enable it at least.

Snelling - Done it before, wait to see his role but he can score very well if he's fit. No idea what Scott is going to do though.

Tucker - Another that we need to see the role but he's a ball magnet. I think he's probably just depth though as midfield is their strongest area these days.

Windhager - Many like him a lot more than me. Role is everything and completely unknown.

Davies - I rate him so will watch closely.

Byrnes - Another with the new coach wild card, could end up in a good role.

JUH - I really rate him, think he's going to be a guy who makes a huge leap when he does get it all together. With Lobb and Naughton he's getting the 3rd tall and should be a nightmare for them. 85 is a huge level but we're getting to the level where 75 is really the target anyway.

Flanders - Another that others seem to rate a lot higher than I do but will mention him.

Brown - No idea how Crows will use him but in a very one paced midfield there could actually be an opening for him to play a key role.

Carmichael - Another that's probably going to need injuries to open the role but showed some serious chops at times last year.

Allen - A big leap but he's a serious talent and I think the team is better than most do, should be the main target.

Fantasia - If fit, with Rozee and Butters now effectively out of the way he's the clear best small forward they've got. Could also play wing, where he played by far his best football, if they wanted to replace Amon with him. I expect they go with one of the 4 million HBF types to open a spot there though.

Henry - If it ever clicks he could be very good. Not one I expect to do it though but we're now down to the 70 type range being needed.

Daniels - A forgotten man but he was scheduled to play a genuine midfield role last year prior to his season ending before it started. He's definitely being slept on being in only 1% of teams, especially after they added a few HF types and lost several mids.

McLean - Pretty obvious.

King - Not expecting that level but also doesn't need to hit near that level from his price.


Longshot types - Hipwood, Cockatoo, Henry, Amiss, Owens, Carroll

There's probably a few others. Basically Fyfe and Thomas are the standout options for sure and everyone should have McLean if he's there round 1 anyway, but I would expect a few names to step up. I will say that 85 is a pretty big ask though but most of these guys are in the 75 grouping anyway.
 
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If Heeney averaged 101 playing 65%+ fwd last season, don’t see why Fyfe can’t.
The two-time Brownlow medallist has now had six shoulder operations, including four on his right shoulder, and multiple reconstructions. The latarjet procedure sees surgeons take a bone graft from the shoulder blade and attach it to the injured joint to restore bone architecture and integrity.

And throw in some doggy hammies.......
 

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The two-time Brownlow medallist has now had six shoulder operations, including four on his right shoulder, and multiple reconstructions. The latarjet procedure sees surgeons take a bone graft from the shoulder blade and attach it to the injured joint to restore bone architecture and integrity.

And throw in some doggy hammies.......
I think fair enough if you don’t pick him based off injury history (the cheap price off-sets this risk from my perspective).

Was more trying to highlight that it is possible for elite players to score well as a pure forward.
 
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If Heeney averaged 101 playing 65%+ fwd last season, don’t see why Fyfe can’t.
To be fair, Heeney is a much better forward than Fyfe has shown and a MUCH better kick which helps maximise the value of touches.

That said, Fyfe's clearance work matched against defenders will be a huge mismatch so if they can get a lot of F50 stoppages, with an elite ruck and an elite 2nd ruck then he could score very well on the back of that.

Durability remains my main concern. For comparison a broken Danger and Dusty both hit the ~85 range last year playing limited roles, those are his peers as a player.

I don't buy into the training, they're both reducing injury risk and maximising development by training him as a forward, there's just no need to be risking him and stunting the development of the kids giving him reps this early on. If he doesn't go through at all over the preseason, then I'll be concerned!
 
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Could is a floaty word... I'll go into detail on the ones I like the most and then I'll list a bunch that "could". Let's be honest, at this price they're all very speculative but I'm watching these guys still.

Bruhn - He's a very similar type to Selwood who, like so many at GWS, was played incredibly out of position the past couple of years. That Selwood position is so wide open that he's no certainty but he can score if he gets the role.

Taberner - Has done it before and in a very strong team he could definitely start hot. Especially with Fyfe, Jackson and probably Amiss giving strong support.

Powell - Will watch his role, he can really score when playing, no idea how Clarko will see him, he definitely seemed to get into the bad books last year after a seriously impressive rookie season.

Campbell - Marshall is very injury prone but also their entire KPF group is basically out for half the season so Marshall could end up rucking. This is a pure if the role opens up though, not if Marshall is the ruck.

Butler - I'm intrigued for how Lyon uses him, simply have to watch because he's done it before. Would need to see something special.

Martin - Same deal really, done it before. I don't think he will but I always watch him, has put together one of the most underwhelming careers in recent times but the underlying talent is still there.

Soldo - Same story as Campbell, basically if Nank was injured.

Thomas - You said outside him, but will mention in case anyone doesn't read the original quote.

Ryan - Will watch him, guy you can tell if he's fit or not, his finish to 2020 was absurd and also just about the last time he was fit. Eagles list is incredibly healthy right now and a healthy list creates competition which pushes lazy trainers like Ryan to higher levels, basically a rising tide raises all boats.

Rachele - So talented, love to see him move midfield and getting Rankine helps enable it at least.

Snelling - Done it before, wait to see his role but he can score very well if he's fit. No idea what Scott is going to do though.

Tucker - Another that we need to see the role but he's a ball magnet. I think he's probably just depth though as midfield is their strongest area these days.

Windhager - Many like him a lot more than me. Role is everything and completely unknown.

Davies - I rate him so will watch closely.

Byrnes - Another with the new coach wild card, could end up in a good role.

JUH - I really rate him, think he's going to be a guy who makes a huge leap when he does get it all together. With Lobb and Naughton he's getting the 3rd tall and should be a nightmare for them. 85 is a huge level but we're getting to the level where 75 is really the target anyway.

Flanders - Another that others seem to rate a lot higher than I do but will mention him.

Brown - No idea how Crows will use him but in a very one paced midfield there could actually be an opening for him to play a key role.

Carmichael - Another that's probably going to need injuries to open the role but showed some serious chops at times last year.

Allen - A big leap but he's a serious talent and I think the team is better than most do, should be the main target.

Fantasia - If fit, with Rozee and Butters now effectively out of the way he's the clear best small forward they've got. Could also play wing, where he played by far his best football, if they wanted to replace Amon with him. I expect they go with one of the 4 million HBF types to open a spot there though.

Henry - If it ever clicks he could be very good. Not one I expect to do it though but we're now down to the 70 type range being needed.

Daniels - A forgotten man but he was scheduled to play a genuine midfield role last year prior to his season ending before it started. He's definitely being slept on being in only 1% of teams, especially after they added a few HF types and lost several mids.

McLean - Pretty obvious.

King - Not expecting that level but also doesn't need to hit near that level from his price.


Longshot types - Hipwood, Cockatoo, Henry, Amiss, Owens, Carroll

There's probably a few others. Basically Fyfe and Thomas are the standout options for sure and everyone should have McLean if he's there round 1 anyway, but I would expect a few names to step up. I will say that 85 is a pretty big ask though but most of these guys are in the 75 grouping anyway.
Fantastic summary. Appreciate your time.
 
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Heeney played pretty high and was an absolute work horse to get involved in the play, doesnt hurt that hes actually a good forward aswell, dont see Fyfe as either of those things.

He might have the odd spike game where he kicks a bag with an easy draw but I still see his floor as 40.
 
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To be fair, Heeney is a much better forward than Fyfe has shown and a MUCH better kick which helps maximise the value of touches.

That said, Fyfe's clearance work matched against defenders will be a huge mismatch so if they can get a lot of F50 stoppages, with an elite ruck and an elite 2nd ruck then he could score very well on the back of that.

Durability remains my main concern. For comparison a broken Danger and Dusty both hit the ~85 range last year playing limited roles, those are his peers as a player.

I don't buy into the training, they're both reducing injury risk and maximising development by training him as a forward, there's just no need to be risking him and stunting the development of the kids giving him reps this early on. If he doesn't go through at all over the preseason, then I'll be concerned!
Danger played mostly midfield, if Fyfe had anywhere near that sort of split hed be an absolute lock.

I dont buy into training in general but I'd have thought match sim in particular youd play the role you are going to play in a months time, track watchers have said he was in the goal square with a couple CBAs throughout the game, unless that changes I just dont see how I pick him.
 
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I think fair enough if you don’t pick him based off injury history (the cheap price off-sets this risk from my perspective).

Was more trying to highlight that it is possible for elite players to score well as a pure forward.
Fully expect him to roam through the midfield doing as he pleases. Not concern about the practice report. Just the injury risk.

I running Yeo in the back line with my starting structure and having (2) injury risks is one to many for me.
 
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Heeney played pretty high and was an absolute work horse to get involved in the play, doesnt hurt that hes actually a good forward aswell, dont see Fyfe as either of those things.

He might have the odd spike game where he kicks a bag with an easy draw but I still see his floor as 40.
I bought him in last year after i swore off him the year before. RD14 59 RD15 67 traded him out and then rolls off 100+ for the next month.
 
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I bought him in last year after i swore off him the year before. RD14 59 RD15 67 traded him out and then rolls off 100+ for the next month.
Danger and Dusty didnt have a game below 27% CBAs to get their numbers last year and I think both are miles better forwards than anything Fyfe has ever shown, is Fyfe going to spend at least a third of the game in the guts with the midfield they have? I'd argue he needs an even better split to get to the same mark due to the lack of forward craft which you just aren't getting the hang of from one pre season.
 
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Danger played mostly midfield, if Fyfe had anywhere near that sort of split hed be an absolute lock.

I dont buy into training in general but I'd have thought match sim in particular youd play the role you are going to play in a months time, track watchers have said he was in the goal square with a couple CBAs throughout the game, unless that changes I just dont see how I pick him.
I actually would take more durability/injury limitations concern from that than positional personally.

The reality in preseason is kids get chances but when it comes to the real games the guys who can play elsewhere get the games at AFL level.

Looking at the Freo side:

B: Ryan Pearce Chapman
HB: Young Cox Clark
C: XX Brayshaw Aish
HF: Frederick Taberner Switkowski
F: Fyfe Amiss Jackson
R: Darcy Serong Brodie
Int: Walters Schulz JOM XX

For mine I'd say those 20 are pretty much best 22 guys (Amiss would be replaced by another KP, imo so spot not relevant). That leaves two spots for Johnson, Erasmus, NOD, Walker, Banfield, Colyer, Henry, Hughes, Wilson and Sturt to be fighting over.

The two kids could well play but it's hard to see where and when you look at that side you very quickly get to the point that Fyfe, JOM and Walters are the only guys outside the starting midfield group with any real midfield experience and Walters really hasn't been used there much lately.

I expect NOD probably takes the other wing because he can push inside if needed and I'd think Walker or Hughes probably the other slot as defenders that could play wing or allow others to play wing like Clark, Young or Chapman.

It's a strong running list though but you just can't pick pure midfielders to ride the pine, even JOM can play HF.

One of my biggest takeaways on preseason is always that the kids that are closest to playing round one are the ones NOT in the good roles in preseason. You want to see an Erasmus playing out of the goal square not playing big midfield minutes because that shows him being able to play a role that's actually available in the side. Him getting heavy midfield minutes in the B midfield group means exactly what it says unfortunately.
 
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Don’t think Fyfe gets more than 25% mid time, think his body can’t manage playing mid time anymore, he’s said he’s playing forward and they’re training him as a forward. Freo are also set for mids and lack forward targets.

The writing is on the wall already that he won’t be a good pick.
 
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Don’t think Fyfe gets more than 25% mid time, think his body can’t manage playing mid time anymore, he’s said he’s playing forward and they’re training him as a forward. Freo are also set for mids and lack forward targets.

The writing is on the wall already that he won’t be a good pick.
Basically sums up my thoughts
 
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I actually would take more durability/injury limitations concern from that than positional personally.

The reality in preseason is kids get chances but when it comes to the real games the guys who can play elsewhere get the games at AFL level.

Looking at the Freo side:

B: Ryan Pearce Chapman
HB: Young Cox Clark
C: XX Brayshaw Aish
HF: Frederick Taberner Switkowski
F: Fyfe Amiss Jackson
R: Darcy Serong Brodie
Int: Walters Schulz JOM XX

For mine I'd say those 20 are pretty much best 22 guys (Amiss would be replaced by another KP, imo so spot not relevant). That leaves two spots for Johnson, Erasmus, NOD, Walker, Banfield, Colyer, Henry, Hughes, Wilson and Sturt to be fighting over.

The two kids could well play but it's hard to see where and when you look at that side you very quickly get to the point that Fyfe, JOM and Walters are the only guys outside the starting midfield group with any real midfield experience and Walters really hasn't been used there much lately.

I expect NOD probably takes the other wing because he can push inside if needed and I'd think Walker or Hughes probably the other slot as defenders that could play wing or allow others to play wing like Clark, Young or Chapman.

It's a strong running list though but you just can't pick pure midfielders to ride the pine, even JOM can play HF.

One of my biggest takeaways on preseason is always that the kids that are closest to playing round one are the ones NOT in the good roles in preseason. You want to see an Erasmus playing out of the goal square not playing big midfield minutes because that shows him being able to play a role that's actually available in the side. Him getting heavy midfield minutes in the B midfield group means exactly what it says unfortunately.
Teams just don’t play older players out of position in match sim to accomodate younger players, you have two sides and everyone gets a go. And you don’t train older guys in the forward line whilst planning to play them midfield. They’re 100% planning on using him up forward.
 

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Im not sure what going back to posts 12 months ago looking for dirt achieves but good on you for that one, wasn't the only one questioning him before we saw it in their two pre season games either, if Fyfe shows me the role is better than I think Im prepared to alter my thinking but weve seen nothing on the track to suggest that to date.
I wasn't looking for dirt, I was looking for information on Brodie. I just happened to stumble across the dirt ;)

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The sole intention would not have been to look for “dirt”. Reviewing posts over ex amount of time by a member could help to identify their risk profile, to see if any patterns developed to possibly help cater further suggestions for that member (if needed during the season) or some colour as to why they might like/dislike certain selections, etc.

The beauty of forums is we can provide outlandish or sensical predictions or statements whether based on gut feel alone, sample sizes (small/large), etc as no one is keeping track of our success rates. Dig deep enough and you can find ”dirt” on anyone. ;)
 
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Ill be interested what Brown can do at the Crows, dont really think their midfield is great behind Laird so should be some opportunity, was raw when he entered the system so should have improvement left in him yet, 221K is very cheap.

We have options to monitor up forward, McLean and Bruce just about pick themselves for F5 and F6 aswell, if you are picking 3 of Dunkley,Cogs,Rozee and Taranto theres only going to be one spot left to decide on.
 
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