Position 2023: Ruck Discussion
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I'd wager good money that having Rowell, Anderson, Swallow and Miller there instead of some of the trash they've trotted through in the past sure didn't hurt.
Would have also spent a lot of time adding strength and on hand work while recovering from the ACL which definitely wouldn't have hurt his cause.
It's also a highly variable stat so could be a complete outlier or could be a sign of change
Would have also spent a lot of time adding strength and on hand work while recovering from the ACL which definitely wouldn't have hurt his cause.
It's also a highly variable stat so could be a complete outlier or could be a sign of change
Maybe but he also put up 133 on McEvoy, 131 on NN and a 143 on OMc. As I said, there's no real rhyme or reason to it, he probably would have done worse but to me there's a far clearer 1st half/2nd half distinction and team playing well/team playing badly explanation than there is the ruck quality, some of his worst scores came against the worst rucks he faced so it really does seem random with the ruck quality filter.
Looking at the lists this year, it seems likely the ruck quality wont improve that much either so should get a similar amount of matchups against lower class rucks.
Rucks are a total crapshoot though, I've pretty much accepted that I'll be burning 10 trades here again
Looking at the lists this year, it seems likely the ruck quality wont improve that much either so should get a similar amount of matchups against lower class rucks.
Rucks are a total crapshoot though, I've pretty much accepted that I'll be burning 10 trades here again
Last year was pretty exceptional though. Most teams had Sicily, Hewett, Daicos, Cripps, Witts, Brodie, Coniglio and even Nic Martin (1st half season) providing premiums from starting places that you very rarely get them. Throw in some serious in season value on Darcy, Rozee, Himmelberg, Cameron, Wines, Merrett and a couple of others and I'd argue last year was the easiest season ever to finalise a very strong side.
We also had no injuries for about 8 weeks to finish the season.
I think picking a R3/F7 from the start is a very ballsy tactic, I can't sell Cameron if you don't think he can land at F6 and if you get lucky enough to push him to F7, take the win
We also had no injuries for about 8 weeks to finish the season.
I think picking a R3/F7 from the start is a very ballsy tactic, I can't sell Cameron if you don't think he can land at F6 and if you get lucky enough to push him to F7, take the win
He seemed fine last year until he got injured but with an injury last year, a few others in his career and already one this preseason, that's becoming a real red flag on it's own.
You'd want to be damn certain about the rucks to pick him as a forward, imo. There's several really strong forward options that offer pretty good certainty if their roles are as expected so I can't really see the value to him as a pure forward play unless you know something about the rucks that I don't!
You'd want to be damn certain about the rucks to pick him as a forward, imo. There's several really strong forward options that offer pretty good certainty if their roles are as expected so I can't really see the value to him as a pure forward play unless you know something about the rucks that I don't!
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The thing is Cameron gives you flexibility and like you say a look at the rest early in the season. Most of the others you’re paying close to if not top dollar for on a whim they‘ll be #1 or #2 rucks. Cameron really only needs to improve marginally to hold a F6/7 spot for the season and the coverage could pay for itself in spades. Other like Gawn/Grundy/Marshall/English that people are banking on the possibility is more risky IMO because at this stage they don’t have forward status and there is no guarantee they will.
I’ve got a couple of drafts with say a Cameron and another with say a Grundy/English just to see the effect on other lines, I much prefer Cameron at this stage for my structure.
I’ve got a couple of drafts with say a Cameron and another with say a Grundy/English just to see the effect on other lines, I much prefer Cameron at this stage for my structure.
Your ruck cover could easily just be whoever of Grundy/Gawn/Darcy adds DPP though, feels highly likely at least one has it before we've completed our teams.
Id argue its less risky than hoping a guy is F6.
If we have the luxury to put a 400K+ player at F7 the year has played out far better than I anticipate or you're winning the 50 grand haha.
Id argue its less risky than hoping a guy is F6.
If we have the luxury to put a 400K+ player at F7 the year has played out far better than I anticipate or you're winning the 50 grand haha.
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I'd actually argue most of the rucks can be argued to be underpriced to significantly underpriced on their best case scenarios. I just think that given almost all have ordinary durability records that arguing the best case scenarios is very difficult. The couple that don't have durability issues don't really have as much upside.
I've added Draper to my team and I really liked what it enabled to be honest in my latest draft. Just really sures up rookies and premium picks.
I've added Draper to my team and I really liked what it enabled to be honest in my latest draft. Just really sures up rookies and premium picks.
Has anyone thought of selecting a ruck that may get R/F status throughout the season that could be a top 10 forward in ruck to start with to swing him forward during the season? I'm thinking Grundy may get R/F status so I'm thinking of starting him with either English/Marshall. I think if Grundy doesn't score R/F status through the year Gawn would almost certainly get R/F status to which I'll try to get Gawn into my forward line during the season.
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I like DC as s fwd straight up, if you're going with him. The frontline rucks are likely going 105-120. He averaged 96 as no 1 ruck last year, which is good enough for F6, but well off the pace as R2. Provides good coverage through the season with the RF loop too. But will probably be managed, with the Texan being the main ruck occasionally.
Problem is there are so many undervalued fwds, that he's hard to fit in.
Problem is there are so many undervalued fwds, that he's hard to fit in.
I just dont think Cameron Rucks enough without Cox ultimately and think to actually be a relevant pick he needs to going off the numbers, Cox had the greater split 5 of the last 8 games of the season and had significant Ruck time in all 7 other games including their 3 finals, hard to see how hes suddenly totally out of favour and not in their plans whatsoever just because they recruited McStay who has always been a better Forward than Ruck.
What can Cameron realistically average in a duo with a split role? 90? I just don't really see the value.
Not going to talk anyone out of the pick but the numbers just don't add up for me.
3 of his 108+ scores came in the 4 game stretch when Begg was in the side or they used Brown and he took a massive work load of the Ruck contests.
Without Cox he averaged 110 but with him it dropped to 92.
15 Games is a pretty big sample size of them going with one structure.
What can Cameron realistically average in a duo with a split role? 90? I just don't really see the value.
Not going to talk anyone out of the pick but the numbers just don't add up for me.
3 of his 108+ scores came in the 4 game stretch when Begg was in the side or they used Brown and he took a massive work load of the Ruck contests.
Without Cox he averaged 110 but with him it dropped to 92.
15 Games is a pretty big sample size of them going with one structure.
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