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[KLo30]

The alternative method would be a blind auction with a number of players per day to get through the 80 FA and RFAs. This was incorporated in the original rules.

Bids will work like ebay with the winning bid showing as one increment ($1) above the 2nd highest bid.

Bids are submitted via a Google Form with drop down boxes, with only the salary needed to be manually entered.


The bids come in are automatically sorted to produce a winning bid.

There will be a landing page to show the current winning bids on players.

 

[Bomber18]

The alternative method would be a blind auction with a number of players per day to get through the 80 FA and RFAs. This was incorporated in the original rules.

Bids will work like ebay with the winning bid showing as one increment ($1) above the 2nd highest bid.

Bids are submitted via a Google Form with drop down boxes, with only the salary needed to be manually entered.
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Interesting alternative but personally prefer the live FA draft if possible!

 

[KLo30]

Interesting alternative but personally prefer the live FA draft if possible!

The alternative method I've developed is in recognition of the possible need to find a solution to not being able to get everyone together to draft on more than one night.

This method would bring us a further step closer to the AFL model with signing FA and RFA players whilst trading others in the lead up to the Pre-Season Draft. Thus, introducing another layer or two to our game. (though more work for the commissioner managing it all)

Having to commit little chunks of time everyday (or nearly everyday) for 3-4 weeks, might be easier for coaches to manage. It is also just as likley to be more burdensome than finding 2-3 hours on one night to draft.

What I was thinking should be done, regardless of the method, is that RFA should be bid on where they fall, average wise, in the list of FAs rather than after all the FA have been offered for signing.


Disclaimer: This should not be taken as a proposal or endorsement of the alternative method. Merely an explanation and observation of the alternative method

 

[Darkie]

Some interesting suggestions above! One step ahead.

One thing that came to mind:

The number of years that a coach wants to take a player for, is likely tied to the amount they have to pay to secure him.

Eg I might be willing to pay 600k to secure Dylan Moore, but if he goes that high I might only want him for 1 year … whereas if he only costs me 475k, I may want to take him for several years.

In a live auction, coaches are able to adjust this as they go, but in a blind auction, it may be slightly different.

Maybe we can find a way to facilitate this via the blind auction mechanism, if we elect to go that way.

I think it could potentially be as simple as allowing coaches to bid X years to determine the winner of the auction (years being the tiebreaker where salary is identical), but allowing them a short window (perhaps a day) to select >X years for the contract length, if the winning salary is below the maximum they bid.

 

[KLo30]

We've had the poll up for a week and, at this stage, we haven't reached 50% on any given date.

We need to try and lock in so dates with plenty of notice for people's plans or find an alternative method for at least part of the Draft.

So, if you haven't voted can you please do so asap before the month gets away from us.

@Philzsay @Jordan's Jets @lappinitup

 

[Bomber18]

Still waiting for @Jordan’s Jets but looking like best dates (which work for Ken) are:

Mon 6 March (which Diabolical and Philzay can’t do)
Tues 9 March (which GG, Connoisseur and Deeman can’t do)
Wed 8 March (which Darkie can’t do)
Mon 13 March (which Diabolical can’t do)

If we can’t find a date in that week, perhaps we try the prior week as well….? I’m open to doing the FA draft before all the preseason games finish if it means a live FA draft! I think PSD is workable offline as long as people are reasonably active.

 

[Darkie]

Still waiting for @Jordan’s Jets but looking like best dates (which work for Ken) are:

Mon 8 March (which Diabolical and Lappinitup can’t do)
Tues 9 March (which GG, Connoisseur and Deeman can’t do)
Wed 10 March (which Darkie can’t do)
Mon 13 March (which Diabolical can’t do)

If we can’t find a date in that week, perhaps we try the prior week as well….? I’m open to doing the FA draft before all the preseason games finish if it means a live FA draft! I think PSD is workable offline as long as people are reasonably active.

This is a good point. The info on preseason games is nice to have, but probably less important than the ease/fun of the auction being conducted live.

Doing the PSD live is a bit less critical as I see it given we are simply selecting in turn.

 

[KLo30]

This is a good point. The info on preseason games is nice to have, but probably less important than the ease/fun of the auction being conducted live.

Doing the PSD live is a bit less critical as I see it given we are simply selecting in turn.

I see the PSD as being critical to the make up of our league, especially as we are trying to mimic in as many ways the real AFL experience of a football department. Agreed that fantasy wise a slow draft certainly works, but being on the clock and adapting to the unexpected requires research to navigate to a best outcome.

Really enjoy the live auction, however if we went to a slow auction, it opens up a several extra layers which would be right up the "trade kings" alley. Imagine bidding on Reilly O'Brien and Travis Boak whilst shopping a lesser player(s) around at the same time in a trade. Those players could even be ones you plan on delisting. You get something for nothing without the other team knowing. SEN needs to fill a gap without AFLW, they could open up SCSUL Trade Radio.

 

[Darkie]

I see the PSD as being critical to the make up of our league, especially as we are trying to mimic in as many ways the real AFL experience of a football department. Agreed that fantasy wise a slow draft certainly works, but being on the clock and adapting to the unexpected requires research to navigate to a best outcome.

Really enjoy the live auction, however if we went to a slow auction, it opens up a several extra layers which would be right up the "trade kings" alley. Imagine bidding on Reilly O'Brien and Travis Boak whilst shopping a lesser player(s) around at the same time in a trade. Those players could even be ones you plan on delisting. You get something for nothing without the other team knowing. SEN needs to fill a gap without AFLW, they could open up SCSUL Trade Radio.

Hmmm, now you have me thinking!

 

[KLo30]

Hmmm, now you have me thinking!

February would become the "Signing and Trade Period" and then the PSD in the first week (to 10 days) in March. A team could make significant changes through February if they had, and/or could acquire, the right assests.

 

[Bomber18]

I see the PSD as being critical to the make up of our league, especially as we are trying to mimic in as many ways the real AFL experience of a football department. Agreed that fantasy wise a slow draft certainly works, but being on the clock and adapting to the unexpected requires research to navigate to a best outcome.

Really enjoy the live auction, however if we went to a slow auction, it opens up a several extra layers which would be right up the "trade kings" alley. Imagine bidding on Reilly O'Brien and Travis Boak whilst shopping a lesser player(s) around at the same time in a trade. Those players could even be ones you plan on delisting. You get something for nothing without the other team knowing. SEN needs to fill a gap without AFLW, they could open up SCSUL Trade Radio.

Hmmm, now you have me thinking!

February would become the "Signing and Trade Period" and then the PSD in the first week (to 10 days) in March. A team could make significant changes through February if they had, and/or could acquire, the right assests.

I’m open to this too! The way you frame it makes it sound a bit more similar to the actual AFL FA period too!

The blind auction element is the bit that is quite a bit different to the current open auction element.

Perhaps if we did it so that tranches of players are auctioned over a few days on an “open” basis offline, that might sit a bit better with me. Open auctions I think are generally more likely to create higher salaries due to the competition!

 

[Darkie]

I’m open to this too! The way you frame it makes it sound a bit more similar to the actual AFL FA period too!

The blind auction element is the bit that is quite a bit different to the current open auction element.

Perhaps if we did it so that tranches of players are auctioned over a few days on an “open” basis offline, that might sit a bit better with me. Open auctions I think are generally more likely to create higher salaries due to the competition!

Are you implying that some of us get excited in the auction and pay more than we should? 😋

 

[KLo30]

I’m open to this too! The way you frame it makes it sound a bit more similar to the actual AFL FA period too!

The blind auction element is the bit that is quite a bit different to the current open auction element.

Perhaps if we did it so that tranches of players are auctioned over a few days on an “open” basis offline, that might sit a bit better with me. Open auctions I think are generally more likely to create higher salaries due to the competition!

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, could you further explain?

The idea would be to auction 3-5 players a day.

There are a number of options we could adopt in regards to the winning bid.
1. Completely blind until after the time has expired.
2. Reveal the winning bid within a designated period before the time has expired. e.g 30 minutes
3. Ebay method: winning bid always showing

I agree, in part, that open auctions create higher salaries. It certainly is the case for the top of the tree. The middle to lower branches don't so much.

 

[Bomber18]

Are you implying that some of us get excited in the auction and pay more than we should? 😋

Guilty as charged haha

 

[Bomber18]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, could you further explain?

The idea would be to auction 3-5 players a day.

There are a number of options we could adopt in regards to the winning bid.
1. Completely blind until after the time has expired.
2. Reveal the winning bid within a designated period before the time has expired. e.g 30 minutes
3. Ebay method: winning bid always showing

I agree, in part, that open auctions create higher salaries. It certainly is the case for the top of the tree. The middle to lower branches don't so much.

Options 2 or 3 would be better from my perspective (that’s what I meant!)

Agree that the open auctions are probably more relevant and exciting at the top of the tree.

 

[KLo30]

Options 2 or 3 would be better from my perspective (that’s what I meant!)

Agree that the open auctions are probably more relevant and exciting at the top of the tree.

Which opens up another possiblity.

Live Auction Draft for Rounds 1 and 2 in the early to mid of Feb, which should take about an hour. The remaining rounds are blind bid (option to be decided), concluding by the end of Feb. During which time trading with signing would occur. At the conclusion, 2YC are be signed and all delistings occur.

 

[KLo30]

Which opens up another possiblity.

Live Auction Draft for Rounds 1 and 2 in the early to mid of Feb, which should take about an hour. The remaining rounds are blind bid (option to be decided), concluding by the end of Feb. During which time trading with signing would occur. At the conclusion, 2YC are be signed and all delistings occur.

You miss out on your preferred signings due to length of contract and/or salary (despite being able to structure how you like) or you are able to sign more players than you thought you could,at the higher branch, you can then change your tactics before having to lock in your 2YCs and delistings.

 

[Bomber18]

Still waiting for @Jordan’s Jets but looking like best dates (which work for Ken) are:

Mon 6 March (which Diabolical and Philzay can’t do)
Tues 9 March (which GG, Connoisseur and Deeman can’t do)
Wed 8 March (which Darkie can’t do)
Mon 13 March (which Diabolical can’t do)

If we can’t find a date in that week, perhaps we try the prior week as well….? I’m open to doing the FA draft before all the preseason games finish if it means a live FA draft! I think PSD is workable offline as long as people are reasonably active.

This is still accurate for Jordan’s availability. Any chance of a shuffle of plans for those who are unavailable? Two dates where we have 9/10 and one date where we have 8/10

 

[Deeman1]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, could you further explain?

The idea would be to auction 3-5 players a day.

There are a number of options we could adopt in regards to the winning bid.
1. Completely blind until after the time has expired.
2. Reveal the winning bid within a designated period before the time has expired. e.g 30 minutes
3. Ebay method: winning bid always showing

I agree, in part, that open auctions create higher salaries. It certainly is the case for the top of the tree. The middle to lower branches don't so much.

I'm against a totally against blind auction for the FA auction.

From my point of view , hopefully we can at least get an hour or an hour and a half to get 2-3 rounds of the FA auction done live, a lot of interest sort of drops of after 2-3 rounds if I recall correctly from last year, most of the hot property is in the first 2-3 rounds.

After the first 2-3 rounds we could move to to a Ebay method of auction for the FA auction.

At a stretch the only night that is totally out for me is Friday nights due to sporting commitments, but with enough notice I could do most other nights. This applies to both the FA auction and the P/S draft.

 

[KLo30]

We've got 9 for:
Wednesday 8th March (Darkie)
Monday 13th March (Diabolical)

Just need to know if @Darkie and @Diabolical have any flexibility on those dates.