Position 2023: Defenders Discussion

[Athomas]

Interdasting 🤔 I currently have Doc on the basis of more mid time with Walsh out, but perhaps I should be thinking Saad instead ( or possibly both). Do you have any thoughts on that ?

Those stats with Saad look pretty good but just feel he doesn't get enough of the ball.

I could be wrong on Doc mid time, but I prefer him in the backline personally myself. I think Doc's good mid scores in Round 22/23 were with not only Hewett and Kennedy out, but 1 of Walsh/Cerra out too. Basically if it's just Cripps/Cerra, I think Doc can benefit, but with Hewett/Kennedy there too, I can't see 75%+ CBA's like Rounds 22-23.

 

[Connoisseur]

Someone should put this article from the last 4 years into a single post for Clark.

I rate him but can't trust the body and has just never been able to put it together.

Interesting price point though.

Were his injuries more of a contact or non contact nature, could they have been attributed to his style of play comparative to others and is there a high recurrence risk?

 

[Toothless Tigers]

Interdasting 🤔 ?

 

[Spifflicator]

https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/1...mQisKwGB3KVYzzN5EUzqyJj0ZD2EBXGxhSGtrhTcyKZm4

You can put a line through Himmelberg, he will be primarily used as a forward in 2023.

 

[wogitalia]

Were his injuries more of a contact or non contact nature, could they have been attributed to his style of play comparative to others and is there a high recurrence risk?

Yes.

Mostly collision injuries, jaw, concussion, shoulder and face.

Has also had groin, ankle and I swear there was a hamstring or thigh but can't find anything to support it.

It's not a good list and the amount of things that seem to break on him from contact, for a player who plays a heavy contact style, is not great.

He's a talent but getting close to the wasted talent category at this point sadly.

 

[Mgrotter]

Any Sydney supporters have any insight into Jake Lloyd's drop off last year? Was he playing further up the field which hindered his scoring or was it due to the improvement of Nick Blakey? Certainly looks undervalued but him sharing kick outs with Blakey isn't ideal.

 

[The Banker]

Any Sydney supporters have any insight into Jake Lloyd's drop off last year? Was he playing further up the field which hindered his scoring or was it due to the improvement of Nick Blakey? Certainly looks undervalued but him sharing kick outs with Blakey isn't ideal.

I think it aligns with kickouts given to Blakey, who seems to offer more attack and creativity with them than what Lloyd does. Couldn't see this going back the other way now to where Lloyd has a monopoly on them.

I don't think Lloyd is a pick from here on out. When you can alternatively pick Young, Daicos and Redman for the same price (who probably won't all work out), I struggle to see how I would land on Lloyd.

 

[wogitalia]

Any Sydney supporters have any insight into Jake Lloyd's drop off last year? Was he playing further up the field which hindered his scoring or was it due to the improvement of Nick Blakey? Certainly looks undervalued but him sharing kick outs with Blakey isn't ideal.

Multiple factors.

Blakey stole a lot of kick-ins and rebound footy. Also the style factor where Blakey tucks it and runs and then kicks forward, he doesn't look sideways where Lloyd is always open.

McCartin also took the intercept role and his marking meant a lot less ball spilled to ground for Lloyd who got a sneaky amount of possessions that way also. McCartin also another good kicker who would rebound and not look sideways often.

Team style in general also became a lot more direct and faster off half back and also of note is the team improved markedly in performance, so less supply but also went from being one of the weakest clearance sides to one of the best which also means less starting from the back half and more securing in the front half, another area where McCartin, Blakey and Mills would be able to zone off and intercept and, again, would then be the kickers going inside 50.

It's not impossible he bounces back, if nothing else McCartin and Blakey are both durability worries, but I'd suggest he's likely to score similar to last year as I don't see anything really changing from last season, if anything the team should be even better given the age of the list so could get worse if that part was significant in his decline.

 

[froffershanners]

It is that time of the pre season where the high risk/reward players really start to creep their way into my team.

Aaron Hall at D1 anyone?

From what I can find he has had a full pre-season and role looks to be continuing as per normal as well.

If he is a kick out hog again with McDonald and Ziebell alongside during the pre-season games then this is a risk I might take on.

Feel better about starting with injury risk players as it will (hopefully) only cost me one trade if an injury comes.

Ignoring injury games and sub games his average over the last two years is 112.9.

Priced at 97.8 he is mightily tempting. Someone please talk some sense into me.

 

[Shaunpro1]

It is that time of the pre season where the high risk/reward players really start to creep their way into my team.

Aaron Hall at D1 anyone?

From what I can find he has had a full pre-season and role looks to be continuing as per normal as well.

If he is a kick out hog again with McDonald and Ziebell alongside during the pre-season games then this is a risk I might take on.

Feel better about starting with injury risk players as it will (hopefully) only cost me one trade if an injury comes.

Ignoring injury games and sub games his average over the last two years is 112.9.

Priced at 97.8 he is mightily tempting. Someone please talk some sense into me.

32 year old that pinged hammys for fun last year thats had another interrupted pre season and still isn't in full training, should be enough to talk you out of it haha.

 

[NT.Thunder]

It is that time of the pre season where the high risk/reward players really start to creep their way into my team.

Aaron Hall at D1 anyone?

From what I can find he has had a full pre-season and role looks to be continuing as per normal as well.

If he is a kick out hog again with McDonald and Ziebell alongside during the pre-season games then this is a risk I might take on.

Feel better about starting with injury risk players as it will (hopefully) only cost me one trade if an injury comes.

Ignoring injury games and sub games his average over the last two years is 112.9.

Priced at 97.8 he is mightily tempting. Someone please talk some sense into me.

 

[Shannon]

It is that time of the pre season where the high risk/reward players really start to creep their way into my team.

Aaron Hall at D1 anyone?

From what I can find he has had a full pre-season and role looks to be continuing as per normal as well.

If he is a kick out hog again with McDonald and Ziebell alongside during the pre-season games then this is a risk I might take on.

Feel better about starting with injury risk players as it will (hopefully) only cost me one trade if an injury comes.

Ignoring injury games and sub games his average over the last two years is 112.9.

Priced at 97.8 he is mightily tempting. Someone please talk some sense into me.

 

[Spifflicator]

It is that time of the pre season where the high risk/reward players really start to creep their way into my team.

Aaron Hall at D1 anyone?

From what I can find he has had a full pre-season and role looks to be continuing as per normal as well.

If he is a kick out hog again with McDonald and Ziebell alongside during the pre-season games then this is a risk I might take on.

Feel better about starting with injury risk players as it will (hopefully) only cost me one trade if an injury comes.

Ignoring injury games and sub games his average over the last two years is 112.9.

Priced at 97.8 he is mightily tempting. Someone please talk some sense into me.

because all those injury trades are not fun, why lock one in now?

 

[Darkie]

It is that time of the pre season where the high risk/reward players really start to creep their way into my team.

Aaron Hall at D1 anyone?

From what I can find he has had a full pre-season and role looks to be continuing as per normal as well.

If he is a kick out hog again with McDonald and Ziebell alongside during the pre-season games then this is a risk I might take on.

Feel better about starting with injury risk players as it will (hopefully) only cost me one trade if an injury comes.

Ignoring injury games and sub games his average over the last two years is 112.9.

Priced at 97.8 he is mightily tempting. Someone please talk some sense into me.

I’m not totally averse to it, but based on the numbers you mention, he’s discounted by about 83k.

Sometimes people talk about valuing a trade at around 150k/looking to get that much value out of one.

If you think that’s in the ball park, and if he’s a >50% chance of needing to be traded, then the discount you get on his price is likely exceeded by the cost of the trade.

That’s also ignoring what is likely a low score on field in the game he injures himself.

I think there would be a stronger argument for buying him as a top line premium, than a value pick, if you think the above numbers are representative.

To start him, I think you’d have to be pretty confident on his role, which would be tough with a new coach, and Ziebell, Macdonald and possibly even Thomas in the mix.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Any word on Goater? many running low cost defence which hinges a little but on this guy.

 

[TBG]

Any word on Goater? many running low cost defence which hinges a little but on this guy.

I think he will struggle to make best 22 so I've taken him out of my side.

 

[KLo30]

Any word on Goater? many running low cost defence which hinges a little but on this guy.

Fit and healthy. He has been playing in the first choice backline, however Corr, Hall and Logue have been missing match sim over the last few weeks.

B: Corr, McKay, XX
HB: McDonald, Logue, Ziebell
7th: XX

There is a spot depending on Hall's health now the Thomas is out of the picture. He could also spend some time on the wing, but he is no guarantee at this stage.

 

[Under The Dome]

Fit and healthy. He has been playing in the first choice backline, however Corr, Hall and Logue have been missing match sim over the last few weeks.

B: Corr, McKay, XX
HB: McDonald, Logue, Ziebell
7th: XX

There is a spot depending on Hall's health now the Thomas is out of the picture. He could also spend some time on the wing, but he is no guarantee at this stage.

Lachie Young could be in one of those spots.

 

[sethlad]

"Nick Coffield is also back in full training after recovering from a knee reconstruction and hamstring surgery before Christmas. The former top-10 pick got better the longer match simulation went on and is building towards a return after missing all of 2022."

 

[Russty_]

"Nick Coffield is also back in full training after recovering from a knee reconstruction and hamstring surgery before Christmas. The former top-10 pick got better the longer match simulation went on and is building towards a return after missing all of 2022."

Good news!