Discussion 2023: Rate My Team

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Is 115 really the bar we are setting for a successful pick?

Only 6 mids averaged more than that last year (not counting Bont with DPP), only 4 of those played 22 games.

Brayshaw and Petracca were the 7th and 8th best mids on aggregate and averaged 111.8 and 112.4 respectively.

If a starting mid priced $500-$550k plays 22 games @ 110, I'm calling that a win.
Maybe I'm setting the bar a bit high, but I don't think that Bont should be disregarded because he got DPP status. Nonetheless, do you want 3 or 4 players in that M7/8 territory? I guess it could be argued that 2 or 3 of them are easily enough upgraded.
 
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A lot of this depends on when you trade these guys into yr team. If you start with them and they're there at the end of the season it's a moot point but realistically you could end up with an average from 2 different players of 120+ with both players averaging less than say 110 depending on when the bulk of the points were scored. Like Tom Green early last season was on fire and a strategic trade to someone like Petracca probably ended up with a higher true average than either of these ended up with.
 
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A lot of this depends on when you trade these guys into yr team. If you start with them and they're there at the end of the season it's a moot point but realistically you could end up with an average from 2 different players of 120+ with both players averaging less than say 110 depending on when the bulk of the points were scored. Like Tom Green early last season was on fire and a strategic trade to someone like Petracca probably ended up with a higher true average than either of these ended up with.
A very valid point, Brodie pre bye averaged 105 points, flicking him to Parker gave an average of 105 post bye, whereas Brodie managed 93 post bye giving him a season average of 99.
 
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Is 115 really the bar we are setting for a successful pick?

Only 6 mids averaged more than that last year (not counting Bont with DPP), only 4 of those played 22 games.

Brayshaw and Petracca were the 7th and 8th best mids on aggregate and averaged 111.8 and 112.4 respectively.

If a starting mid priced $500-$550k plays 22 games @ 110, I'm calling that a win.
I think it's a small win or even neutral. Under $500k starts to be a big win or trading in a fallen blue chipper who has a poor first half but flies home.
 
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Will try not to touch this again until practice matches are completed and we've got some data.
Pretty happy with it on paper. View attachment 52548
Great setup with a couple of different looks down forward…like the mid price approach forward and back..

If Daicos and Coffield start off well then your in a good position….
 
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Just way too much risk attached with Draper/ too speculative & at his price point there are no real bailout options (maybe Lycett at 30K more) so would need to double trade really to find a decent option & then you run the risk of that ruck getting injured (like last year when so many rucks missed games).
Personally I keep coming back to Grundy as my 2nd ruck (Marshall locked as my other ruck) at his price/ past history despite the unknown of how Gawn hurts his scoring. I think Gawn will be eased into the season/ spend more time fwd & Grundy will be highly motivated at a new club. We saw how well both NN & Cox scored in the same team previously, 2 very different type of rucks which is the same case with Grundy & Gawn. Surely the dees play to their strengths to take advantage of their unique situation now - they recruited Grundy for a reason when Jackson left so they obviously have a plan in place to best use their 2 star big men.
Yes I have Grunshall as my current ruck set up. Darcy was an option but he is doing his proppy in the pre season routine now.
 
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BF Bombers training report.

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Will this change the fabric of those teams going with the Draper R2 experiment. Or will you simply cut your cloth slightly differently?

Wright did not participate, Bryan off at half time, so not sure who did the rucking. Phillips I assume.
He showed majority of last year that he wasnt capable of shouldering the ruck load alone and Phillips and Bryan are both still on the list, I can't say I'm overly surprised that Draper is at least being trialled in different positions.

For me if you're hell bent on the value Ruck setup surely you just pick Lycett, I have very minimal trust in him either but at least he has history of some ressonable scoring output and if named will be doing the vast majority of the Ruck work.

It's a shame Meek didnt go to a side where he'd be solo as the clear number one as I think on pure ability hes as good as most Ruckmen going around.
 
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He showed majority of last year that he wasnt capable of shouldering the ruck load alone and Phillips and Bryan are both still on the list, I can't say I'm overly surprised that Draper is at least being trialled in different positions.

For me if you're hell bent on the value Ruck setup surely you just pick Lycett, I have very minimal trust in him either but at least he has history of some ressonable scoring output and if named will be doing the vast majority of the Ruck work.

It's a shame Meek didnt go to a side where he'd be solo as the clear number one as I think on pure ability hes as good as most Ruckmen going around.

Totally correct. Meek to Carlton or Collingwood would have seen him be R1. Has a heap of ability.
 
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Bugger it - $19.3k left, lots of loose change available in rookies which will obviously vary as we get closer to selection announcements. Biggest unsures for me are R2 Cameron, JHF F3, Yeo D3.


My fun gambles are Macca/LDU/Green. Keeping them there for a bit of excitement before I wimp out at the last minute.

Edit: Macca/Cameron/Sinn/Chesser out, Bowes/Marshall/Allen/Goater in looks a bit tastier tbh. Preseason SC2.png
 

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First draft.

Fairly generic, only really taking a POD with Meek. He is in my opinion the best ruckman at the Hawks, hoping he can prove that in the practice games and cement the starting spot.
Wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks run two ruckmen - especially early in the year. Mitch Lewis in injured and will likely miss some early season games, so the only tall forward they have is Koschitzke. So even as number 1 ruck (if he beats our Reeves who was actually good last year), he'll be playing significant amount of time forward.

Will be interesting to see the set up that Mitchell adopts as well. I can see them running with 2 rucks most of the year to allow them to have tall options down the line. Most inexperienced and probably alongside North as the worst midfield group in the comp (on paper) means they probably aren't going to play a free-flowing style.

Read into that as you want - might mean more stoppages, more chances for contested marks etc. but also means more competition for points running with 2 ruckmen.

I think Lycett at the same price is a better option. He's a genuine number 1 ruck as long as he stays fit and has shown the ability to score close to a 100 average in the past unlike Meek.

Other than that I like your set up. I think you might run into trouble with FWD line come round 1 with rookies. If you need to free up cash I'd be looking at Doch/ Dawson down to Daicos
 

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First draft.

Fairly generic, only really taking a POD with Meek. He is in my opinion the best ruckman at the Hawks, hoping he can prove that in the practice games and cement the starting spot.
No Fyfe really stands out to me here due to the display pic.

Not worth picking due to the expected role this season? He’s been in and out for me all pre-season.
 

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I like this but I also don't like it for some reason 😄

Maybe the 3 speculative mids (M4-M6) is too much like backing multiple horses in a race in the hope that one of them wins: Overall you've probably still lost.

They could become Oliver + Touk + Rookie instead?
Option 2 sounds much better to me. I would think that Phillips could (and maybe should) be fielded.
 
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Wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks run two ruckmen - especially early in the year. Mitch Lewis in injured and will likely miss some early season games, so the only tall forward they have is Koschitzke. So even as number 1 ruck (if he beats our Reeves who was actually good last year), he'll be playing significant amount of time forward.

Will be interesting to see the set up that Mitchell adopts as well. I can see them running with 2 rucks most of the year to allow them to have tall options down the line. Most inexperienced and probably alongside North as the worst midfield group in the comp (on paper) means they probably aren't going to play a free-flowing style.

Read into that as you want - might mean more stoppages, more chances for contested marks etc. but also means more competition for points running with 2 ruckmen.

I think Lycett at the same price is a better option. He's a genuine number 1 ruck as long as he stays fit and has shown the ability to score close to a 100 average in the past unlike Meek.

Other than that I like your set up. I think you might run into trouble with FWD line come round 1 with rookies. If you need to free up cash I'd be looking at Doch/ Dawson down to Daicos
Appreciate the response.

Have seen the reports of Hawks running two rucks, not enough to throw me off liking him as a pick at this stage of the pre season. Also think there is a good chance Lewis is back earlier than expected given nature of his injury (sprain). We will see how it plays out.

Yeah not sure on Lycett myself, probably see Meek having the bigger ceiling if all goes right. Poor durability too.

Not convinced on Daicos either. Little surprised at his ownership tbh. Can't really see how the midfield move happens this year and think he cops some attention at times from defensive types.
 
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First draft.

Fairly generic, only really taking a POD with Meek. He is in my opinion the best ruckman at the Hawks, hoping he can prove that in the practice games and cement the starting spot.
Great to see you post here mate 👍

Very solid team as I expected, surprised at no Young. Have you considered dropping 1 of 3 super premium defenders for him to free cash up to bolster the fwd line?
 
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No Fyfe really stands out to me here due to the display pic.

Not worth picking due to the expected role this season? He’s been in and out for me all pre-season.
I've just got no confidence in his body. Would love nothing more than to see him dominate up forward but think there are probably some better mid pricers in other positions.
 
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