Discussion 2023: Rate My Team

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Jai Culley @ 3% ownership. Shuey struggling with injury. Sheed old as. Yeo fit (for now). Tim Kelly plays 18 games a season. This bloke tackles like Sam Berry & I'm hoping he profiles the same going from Year 1 to Year 2. He's fit as (played all 8 periods of the praccy match) and I'm hoping he locks himself in as a staple in the WCE centre square this season. I can't find a player around his price that I think will score more than him with the role they have (Bowes, Fyfe). Fingers crossed for an 80 average until he's upgraded. Also on him for Rising Star @ $51s.

Cunners @ 9% ownership. Name me a Top 2 midfielder for their team who can go around 100 priced at 420k. Hopper might be one. Sam Berry? Another? Now name one who's a forward. If Taranto, who maxxes out at 90ppg, is fait accompi to be a Top 6 forward then surely Cunners comes into consideration too at 100k cheaper than Taranto. I think LDU gets the focus of opposition mid coolers as Simpkin is a butcher ball in hand. This bloke will still shoulder his fair share of mid time as he isn't really a Dustyesque forward.

If Cunnington goes at around 100 he's definitely a keeper. If Culley can punch out 80 then I'm getting 180ppg versus potentially whatever say a Ratougalea plus Titch go themselves. If Titch goes 110 then I need Rat to go 70, which I highly doubt he manages.

I'd sooner back Culley to go 80 than Rat to go 70.
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Stewart averaged 84 in his last 6 games when teams really started putting work into limiting his impact. I think that will continue in 2023
Which included two games below 65. Exclusive of injury and inclusive of finals, Stewart has only managed one game below 65 in his 76 matches between RD1 2019 and RD20 2022.

In regards to “teams really started putting work into limiting his impact” what tactics did opposing sides utilise to curb his influence?
 
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First draft done for the year with pre-season form to take into consideration. Have landed on this for now which feels about right, having dropped Stewart for Yeo and using the cash to get Hopper in the mids. Concerns are:
- Mids feel too stacked? I've been bullish on a LDU breakout since end of last year though and feel I need Hopper as well.
- Yeo has burned me many times, but feel its a big risk not picking him
- Rucks are an absolute chook lotto but feel everyone will be in same boat.

Any feedback welcomed, feels good to be back!



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First draft done for the year with pre-season form to take into consideration. Have landed on this for now which feels about right, having dropped Stewart for Yeo and using the cash to get Hopper in the mids. Concerns are:
- Mids feel too stacked? I've been bullish on a LDU breakout since end of last year though and feel I need Hopper as well.
- Yeo has burned me many times, but feel its a big risk not picking him
- Rucks are an absolute chook lotto but feel everyone will be in same boat.

Any feedback welcomed, feels good to be back!



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Yeh I would go down one of the mid premos and strengthen the forward line, Greene at F6 will probably leak a fair few points for you. Also Cameron looks to be behind Cox now in the Pies ruck stocks.
 
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Thanks for such a considered response given I called your team a steamy pile! It's very generous. You are not talking to a GNR die hard here, but someone who loves a value selection.

Your comments are certainly food for thought, and the trade boosts do change things up since I ran my SCS MPM league a few years back. I will say that league was a rounding steaming pile with perhaps a couple of reasonable teams but by-and-large a selection of active SCS members who made way too many failed picks (I'm not saying bad picks) and their teams genuinely suffered. I think this influenced my team selections to now be really, really hard on midpricers and they have to earn their spot in my team. Has this changed with 6 extra trades? IDK.

I don't particularly rate the Fyfe, Hayes, Jackson, Cunnington, Lycett picks (last two being perhaps the better of the bunch) these types do give you the chance to jag a keeper but they also can clog up your side, as you'd know.

As for a comparison, I think you've even gone more MPM than last year's winner. I count 10 expected keepers in his R1 team (Excl Hewett, Witts, Cogs, Brodie), I count 8 in yours. We're going into a season where I don't think we can expect as many cheap keepers, will potentially have more season ending LTIs post byes and we've only got one more trade to do it with for one extra round.

I think the threshold for success is increasing with higher average scores year-to-year (perhaps more trade influencing this, but I also feel the defenders and mids are scoring more, with the rucks declining (only 2 of them though) this makes me want to be able to achieve a full ultra premo team, no femos (fake premiums).

Do you have a sheet that just says this player is priced to avg X and I think can score Y and sorted Y-X and insert team after you've selected your captains?

Welcome your thoughts on why you've gone even further than last years winning MPM team, how you plan to beat me (team attached)! It's an 11 premo team, not particularly GNR or MPM but a blend imo.


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Guess I really have to respond to a challenge like that @randomcliche
Firstly, I rather like your team, perhaps because its not too GNR;) - reckon you're not going to be an easy-beat .. interestingly we have both just won a spot in the SCS league, so an on-going comparison will be easily tracked.

A couple of thoughts.
I think I previously said I dont really ever factor in keepers as such.
I get that its a win if you do keep a player all the way to the end, but at the start of the season its not much more than wishful thinking to me.
Using last years winner again - You counted 10 keepers excluding Hewett, Witts, Cogs & Brodie, but only 5 of the ten were realised keepers - so what does that tell us? I'm not sure. Note - Witts, Cogs & Brodie turned into keepers so he did achieve 8 in total.

I do work thru my my team set-ups in Excel, but I've never gone so far as to calculate a predicted team score.
But that kind of thinking does underpin my general approach to team selection - the driver is what I call free-points.
Eg. You have picked Laird priced at at nearly 128 ppg for $703K. I'd say you couldnt expect to get more than 128 pts for your investment - so no free points.
I'm picking LDU priced at at nearly 101 ppg for $557K. His second half of 2022 and his pre-season form so far suggest he can get to 110 ppg. so I'm hoping for (at least) 9 free points.
The wider theory being that the more free points I buy, the better placed I am.
So taking that further, the more value picks I have (assuming they work out of course) I should be ahead of GNR teams - unless they get a big free point haul from their on-field rookies who they will have more of than I do.
That's hard to accurately assess and will vary from year to year depending on the relative strengths of the seasonal rookie crops.
You'll see that I do have the most popular rookies like Ashcroft, Ginbey, McLean on-field, so I'm talking about players such as Phillips or Wilmot that I have on my bench whilst others have them on-field. If they fire it doesnt help my score & I'm missing out free-points that are advantageous to most others.
Looking at it from a cash-gen point of view, again I reckon if I do my job correctly I will have close to the best 10-11 rookies in my squad.
In that case I should also be $$ ahead of GNR teams - unless the second tier 4-5 rookies they have perform strongly.

My thought on the players you queried.
Fyfe - Definitely a risk, but as I said earlier he's a favourite & at $313K (57 ppg) I'd really kick myself if he comes off. Contingency is to swap him to Ziebell at round 3 if that looks the better way to go.
Haynes - A bit more confident here: Also priced at 57 ppg but has a proven SC track record over time prior to 2022 (which I think was due to injuries) Not too old and reportedly back in form.
Jackson - Admittedly this one is a lot more speculative.. He does provide ruck cover as I do have a decent F7. Also his age and switch to Freo should/could see him do better than 85ppg.
Cunnington - Unless his midfield role isn't evident in this weeks praccy match, I cant see this one failing - surely there's ~20 free pts coming my way!
Lycett - as above if he's Port's #1 ruck

As for your team, it does look pretty good to me, but you are banking a lot on your E-Saver investment at R2.
At this stage I'm not convinced, but I will be looking at the score he puts up this week.
 
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First draft done for the year with pre-season form to take into consideration. Have landed on this for now which feels about right, having dropped Stewart for Yeo and using the cash to get Hopper in the mids. Concerns are:
- Mids feel too stacked? I've been bullish on a LDU breakout since end of last year though and feel I need Hopper as well.
- Yeo has burned me many times, but feel its a big risk not picking him
- Rucks are an absolute chook lotto but feel everyone will be in same boat.

Any feedback welcomed, feels good to be back!



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Personally I would hesitant to start Mills - Horse loves to throw him around the field depending on what is required, he is very versatile.

My suggestion would be to drop him to a rookie (maybe McVee to give you a def/mid link on the bench 123K who looks likely round 1) so Phillipou on the ground, Sinn (unlikely round 1, Injury issues this preseason) > Coniglio so Greene goes to your fwd bench.
 
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I think people get a bit caught up in the whole I must start X amount of keepers, the more relevant metric is starting enough of the right ones, people have had as little as 9 or 10 and nailed the right mid pricers and rookies and won this comp in a landslide.
Totally agree. A trap that I, among many, fall in to.

I want to fit Oliver in my team (or select any premo), but at what cost to your overall team?
 
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Not my preferred team at the moment, just wondering folks thoughts on the balance of the side with Parish in as the fifth midfielder (but at the cost of Daicos at D2 AND losing about $100k on rookie spend)?

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For me I think it's just a little too wonky; it could work if the rookies get lucrative roles and Daicos doesn't explode but the risk is probably too great.
 
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I suppose I just feel more confident that the Stewart/Dawson/Sicily types will be top 6 on their line, so I am comfortable locking in premiums in that position

In comparison, the forward line feels like a complete lottery depending on who gets DPP.
Will the top 6 forward standard be a 95+ average or a 110+ average? Either is possible realistically.
Yeah I dunno, man. Sicily has just turned 28 and is coming off a career best season. Same with Stewart only he turns 30 in a month. A couple of statistical warning flags for me and I don't think they are the guaranteed best scorer bets that many think them to be.
 
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Yeah I dunno, man. Sicily has just turned 28 and is coming off a career best season. Same with Stewart only he turns 30 in a month. A couple of statistical warning flags for me and I don't think they are the guaranteed best scorer bets that many think them to be.
They could drop their 2022 average by ~10 points and still be in the conversation for top 6 defenders.

I prefer to back them in, rather than hope Rozee breaks out to the next level.
 
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