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Discussion 2023: Rate My Team
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I like your squad mate, and thinking it could be a different type of season to start the 12 to 13 keepers.
Thinking of starting with a 10/10/10 side.
Seems crazy to go with 10 keepers, 10 mid prices, and 10 rookies. It's something I've never tried before and could be a wild ride but at this stage I'm half keen on the idea.
Thinking of starting with a 10/10/10 side.
Seems crazy to go with 10 keepers, 10 mid prices, and 10 rookies. It's something I've never tried before and could be a wild ride but at this stage I'm half keen on the idea.
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I like your squad mate, and thinking it could be a different type of season to start the 12 to 13 keepers.
Thinking of starting with a 10/10/10 side.
Seems crazy to go with 10 keepers, 10 mid prices, and 10 rookies. It's something I've never tried before and could be a wild ride but at this stage I'm half keen on the idea.
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Thinking of starting with a 10/10/10 side.
Seems crazy to go with 10 keepers, 10 mid prices, and 10 rookies. It's something I've never tried before and could be a wild ride but at this stage I'm half keen on the idea.
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For me Pedlar and Phillipou might be up and down - Pedlar looked to have low TOG so whether that's a sign of being eased in or not I'm not sure but to me that's a position where you could cop a couple of sub 50 scores and the coverage with Greene and Caminiti might not give too much flexibility with one or two outs.
Could work a treat though if you get 5 or 6 games out of the forward rookies.
Could work a treat though if you get 5 or 6 games out of the forward rookies.
I feel like we're standing at opposite ends of a see-saw
I can't really fault any of the picks, I definitely prefer Ziebell to Fyfe after preseason and would try that if going such a high risk forward group, just don't like having such an injury prone and questionable guy at F2, especially given F3 is also questionable and F4 could also be questionable quite easily. I actually like them all but compounding risk in a position can backfire as you run out of contingency plans, I'd definitely at least be trying to have a M/F rookie on the bench as well to cover in the event of injury. Ratugolea could also fail and Greene is a rookie in a bad side.
I like it though, it's certainly very different, good year to try that, imo, as there will be high variability in the starting structures and sides and that magnifies the rewards of getting the right one but also minimises the risk a bit because it's not you against the world, it's just you vs 5 other structures so the pure amount of catchup if you're wrong is against a smaller group.
Always enjoy the unconventional angles you find!
I can't really fault any of the picks, I definitely prefer Ziebell to Fyfe after preseason and would try that if going such a high risk forward group, just don't like having such an injury prone and questionable guy at F2, especially given F3 is also questionable and F4 could also be questionable quite easily. I actually like them all but compounding risk in a position can backfire as you run out of contingency plans, I'd definitely at least be trying to have a M/F rookie on the bench as well to cover in the event of injury. Ratugolea could also fail and Greene is a rookie in a bad side.
I like it though, it's certainly very different, good year to try that, imo, as there will be high variability in the starting structures and sides and that magnifies the rewards of getting the right one but also minimises the risk a bit because it's not you against the world, it's just you vs 5 other structures so the pure amount of catchup if you're wrong is against a smaller group.
Always enjoy the unconventional angles you find!
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I've always thought Taranto was more of a Fantasy Player than a SC'er and geez does his footywire stats on his career to date back that up! His career statistical ranking all his highlighted are for being a leading clangers and turnover player! Maybe he has improved his disposal finally but even in 2019 when he averaged 28 touches and 6 tackles a game (which is huge) he "only" averaged 102 and that was playing for a high scoring SC team like GWS, Richmond is a famously low scoring SC team other than Dusty. I am surprised to see he was 5th for total SC points in 2019 considering he only averaged 102. He wouldn't have even been top 30 for averages you would think. A lot of the high averages obviously missed games.
Final draft for me...
Defense
Yeo - Lock for mine, has to last another 10 days.
Jones - Crucial to this structure, role looked good, JS is great, he'll outscore his starting price comfortably and should make good cash on spikes.
Crozier - There's about 5 other names in this price group (can get up to Bowes), I like his scoring history over some of the others though, if he's fit I'll probably pick him.
Ginbey - Looks the goods.
McKenna - Looks sound, strong scoring history, JS the biggest question and think he gets a run at it.
Constable - Rate his role, JS solid for now but will have to perform.
Cole - JS again, when going extreme structures you need JS. Role is solid and will have good spike games, just need a couple in a month.
Chesser - There's a solid 5 names here, I like him as a slow burner but have other options.
Structure - Risk is basically all here, biggest risk to this structure is Sheezel or Phillips being must field guys over one of my rookies but I think that's not very likely (must field is like 15 points better). There's about 10 more names I think make round one, so I actually feel good about the depth of options or alternatives to mine, which is crucial.
Mids
Laird - My #1. I hate how many have jumped on him in the preseason, I liked when he was down around 12%.
Oliver (Not Neale) - I forgot to update this and can't be assed redoing the screenshot. He's too good. Neale the only other option here.
Bont - Underpriced, imo. None of his issues except durability are here this year, think 125 is very reasonable projection.
Macrae - This is the most speculative choice, I can get Neale or free cash with other names. I like Macrae but don't love it. This spot will change about 45 times in the next 10 days.
Hopper - I don't love him but he'll make cash and score points at strong value, if he fails there's a solid 3 other options I like about the same. Really I'm just defending against the remote 110 chance he presents that would wreck my season with him in every cookie cutter side.
Callaghan - I like him, I don't think he's anything special as a pick but I think he should score more consistently than other names and has a high ceiling for cash gen.
Ashcroft - Yep.
Mackenzie - I like him a lot, Hawks midfield is terrible, he should play a very good role.
Phillips - Lock for mine, risk having him on the pine against so many defenders as role was solid but expect it's a fringe role that produces very inconsistent scoring.
Fahey - I like the look of him, there's a solid amount of other D/M options here, I'm not committed to the link by any means but an extra option to cover my defenders is definitely intentional and valuable.
Baker - Will adapt if he's not there round one until then he's locked.
Structure - The only real decision is whether to cash up Hopper into something better but I think the balance with Hopper/Ziebell is better than Green type/rookie and that's basically the choice. Otherwise there's nothing noteworthy here.
Rucks
Gawn - Picked as a forward, I'm essentially backing him to average 105+ here. I can't say I love it but basically if he doesn't get FWD he'll score 110+, the 105+ with FWD is definitely not a sure thing. Does feel right having the big beautiful bearded bastard in my side though.
Marshall - Defensive pick, I'm not risking a guy I like doing a Sicily on me again. Ultimately he's value and could be the #1 ruck, the durability risk and slight coach related concerns don't trump that given all the other rucks have durability problems and bigger other issues.
Rat - I hate giving up cash generation, I always lose points looping anyway, this is a perfect storm. Absolute worst case I have 72k I can find from this downgrade. (nekminnit he loses cash).
Structure - Not much here, it will be Marshall +1, I'm down to Gawn, Darcy, Witts and English, Gawn the priciest so any change here helps elsewhere.
Forwards
Dunkley - Lock.
Coniglio - The 4th picked of the 4 but really durability my only concern on this pick.
Rozee - Lock. Expecting him to push 110 this year. Shame so many are on him!
Taranto - Defensive but do rate his chances this year. He's capable of going 110+, he should push towards 105. Durability is an issue but not starting him is far more likely to cause me issues than starting him.
Ziebell - He averaged 108 last time he played this role, he was even bigger than that before Hall. I don't know what they're going to do but if he's in defense he's going to push 95+ and has genuinely good keeper chances and range. That he'll get DPP with my structure is also extremely valuable. I'm actually looking at him more as a D6 keeper than F6 as I'll want to dabble with the DPP guys and already have 5 keeper forwards without him.
McLean - I think he's the best forward rookie, I don't think he's great.
Sheezel - He's the next best, if he's playing defense he'll be the best. I don't think either is much better than my D6 though.
Greene - Terrible team but he's got more ways to score than the small forwards and he's more advanced than most. I've already budgeted the trade for getting this wrong
Structure - I still hate how heavy I am, Gawn only makes that worse but I'm also confident that all 5 of my starters score at premium levels post DPP, they're all just going in reverse of the DPP, they're forwards playing mids, the mids who get forward will do the same. I'm definitely watching for Petracca as a must have forward. This is an unusually bad group for durability for me but there's too much value in 4 guys playing pretty pure midfield roles that have all demonstrated the ability to go 110+ in those roles.
I want Gulden, I want Gulden to succeed, I can't trust Horse, if you look up trust issues in a dictionary it's me glaring at Horse for a decade straight and him just laughing back. He's that kid you yell at to not stick his finger in the toaster and he just stands there with his finger in the toaster laughing at you hysterically.
Defense
Yeo - Lock for mine, has to last another 10 days.
Jones - Crucial to this structure, role looked good, JS is great, he'll outscore his starting price comfortably and should make good cash on spikes.
Crozier - There's about 5 other names in this price group (can get up to Bowes), I like his scoring history over some of the others though, if he's fit I'll probably pick him.
Ginbey - Looks the goods.
McKenna - Looks sound, strong scoring history, JS the biggest question and think he gets a run at it.
Constable - Rate his role, JS solid for now but will have to perform.
Cole - JS again, when going extreme structures you need JS. Role is solid and will have good spike games, just need a couple in a month.
Chesser - There's a solid 5 names here, I like him as a slow burner but have other options.
Structure - Risk is basically all here, biggest risk to this structure is Sheezel or Phillips being must field guys over one of my rookies but I think that's not very likely (must field is like 15 points better). There's about 10 more names I think make round one, so I actually feel good about the depth of options or alternatives to mine, which is crucial.
Mids
Laird - My #1. I hate how many have jumped on him in the preseason, I liked when he was down around 12%.
Oliver (Not Neale) - I forgot to update this and can't be assed redoing the screenshot
. He's too good. Neale the only other option here.Bont - Underpriced, imo. None of his issues except durability are here this year, think 125 is very reasonable projection.
Macrae - This is the most speculative choice, I can get Neale or free cash with other names. I like Macrae but don't love it. This spot will change about 45 times in the next 10 days.
Hopper - I don't love him but he'll make cash and score points at strong value, if he fails there's a solid 3 other options I like about the same. Really I'm just defending against the remote 110 chance he presents that would wreck my season with him in every cookie cutter side.
Callaghan - I like him, I don't think he's anything special as a pick but I think he should score more consistently than other names and has a high ceiling for cash gen.
Ashcroft - Yep.
Mackenzie - I like him a lot, Hawks midfield is terrible, he should play a very good role.
Phillips - Lock for mine, risk having him on the pine against so many defenders as role was solid but expect it's a fringe role that produces very inconsistent scoring.
Fahey - I like the look of him, there's a solid amount of other D/M options here, I'm not committed to the link by any means but an extra option to cover my defenders is definitely intentional and valuable.
Baker - Will adapt if he's not there round one until then he's locked.
Structure - The only real decision is whether to cash up Hopper into something better but I think the balance with Hopper/Ziebell is better than Green type/rookie and that's basically the choice. Otherwise there's nothing noteworthy here.
Rucks
Gawn - Picked as a forward, I'm essentially backing him to average 105+ here. I can't say I love it but basically if he doesn't get FWD he'll score 110+, the 105+ with FWD is definitely not a sure thing. Does feel right having the big beautiful bearded bastard in my side though.
Marshall - Defensive pick, I'm not risking a guy I like doing a Sicily on me again. Ultimately he's value and could be the #1 ruck, the durability risk and slight coach related concerns don't trump that given all the other rucks have durability problems and bigger other issues.
Rat - I hate giving up cash generation, I always lose points looping anyway, this is a perfect storm. Absolute worst case I have 72k I can find from this downgrade. (nekminnit he loses cash).
Structure - Not much here, it will be Marshall +1, I'm down to Gawn, Darcy, Witts and English, Gawn the priciest so any change here helps elsewhere.
Forwards
Dunkley - Lock.
Coniglio - The 4th picked of the 4 but really durability my only concern on this pick.
Rozee - Lock. Expecting him to push 110 this year. Shame so many are on him!
Taranto - Defensive but do rate his chances this year. He's capable of going 110+, he should push towards 105. Durability is an issue but not starting him is far more likely to cause me issues than starting him.
Ziebell - He averaged 108 last time he played this role, he was even bigger than that before Hall. I don't know what they're going to do but if he's in defense he's going to push 95+ and has genuinely good keeper chances and range. That he'll get DPP with my structure is also extremely valuable. I'm actually looking at him more as a D6 keeper than F6 as I'll want to dabble with the DPP guys and already have 5 keeper forwards without him.
McLean - I think he's the best forward rookie, I don't think he's great.
Sheezel - He's the next best, if he's playing defense he'll be the best. I don't think either is much better than my D6 though.
Greene - Terrible team but he's got more ways to score than the small forwards and he's more advanced than most. I've already budgeted the trade for getting this wrong
Structure - I still hate how heavy I am, Gawn only makes that worse but I'm also confident that all 5 of my starters score at premium levels post DPP, they're all just going in reverse of the DPP, they're forwards playing mids, the mids who get forward will do the same. I'm definitely watching for Petracca as a must have forward. This is an unusually bad group for durability for me but there's too much value in 4 guys playing pretty pure midfield roles that have all demonstrated the ability to go 110+ in those roles.
I want Gulden, I want Gulden to succeed, I can't trust Horse, if you look up trust issues in a dictionary it's me glaring at Horse for a decade straight and him just laughing back. He's that kid you yell at to not stick his finger in the toaster and he just stands there with his finger in the toaster laughing at you hysterically.
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Richmond actually play a better style for his game style. You'll notice that Dustin Martin is also one of the leaders in all those categories but they set up for that chaos kick forward much better than GWS who always played for leading forward targets and short hit-up play. I think his hack it at all costs approach will score more favourably because Richmond will already be setup for it and turning a lot of those clangers into ineffective will basically even his DT/SC ratio.
Also worth noting that in 2021 he averaged 102 until he went forward late in the season, that's most likely going to be an acceptable F6 range. That 2019 season he was averaging 108 at the bye, after the bye is when Toby Greene and Zac Williams went on ball and forced him out, his DT average also dropped off 10ppg in that period.
Basically the last time he played as a pure first choice midfielder he sustained keeper numbers on raw accumulation. If he does score better on the ratio front then he could definitely push towards 115 range and end seasons.
I just don't think the reward on not picking a guy like him is worth it. He's in 90% of teams that matter and realistically injury is the only strong reason he wont push towards 105 range. You're just spotting everyone a bargain keeper choice to take risk on your own unique one. What's the best case here with not picking him?
Also worth noting that in 2021 he averaged 102 until he went forward late in the season, that's most likely going to be an acceptable F6 range. That 2019 season he was averaging 108 at the bye, after the bye is when Toby Greene and Zac Williams went on ball and forced him out, his DT average also dropped off 10ppg in that period.
Basically the last time he played as a pure first choice midfielder he sustained keeper numbers on raw accumulation. If he does score better on the ratio front then he could definitely push towards 115 range and end seasons.
I just don't think the reward on not picking a guy like him is worth it. He's in 90% of teams that matter and realistically injury is the only strong reason he wont push towards 105 range. You're just spotting everyone a bargain keeper choice to take risk on your own unique one. What's the best case here with not picking him?