Discussion 2023 Round 2: Teams & In Game Discussion

[Johnsy44]

I'm still not sure if he is worth the 162K price tag.

Great talent, but has an awful role. Needs to play a blinder just to score 80.

I disagree, with how hard he runs, I think a comfortable 65+ average is what he's looking at. Yes he's 162k, but that extra 40k up from a base rookie you are paying a premium for his JS, It's his spot to lose. Got burnt more times than ever last week and still managed a 50 which isnt horrible. Considering how early we play most weeks, he's perfect for that looping M9 role. Can see him comfortably making 150k+, and he's a rookie you can rely on being a green tick each week

 

[Ricky Bobby]

It's weird how something seemingly unrelated ends up effecting how one makes a completely different decision.

I'd spent all week thinking I'd keep Bruhn and Hopper another week to work out the best one to trade for Sheezel, only to decide 10 minutes before the bounce that I didn't want to rely on ADJ or any of my bench to cover Bytel - and not knowing whether he'd be out for weeks nor if he'll get back into the team, I traded Bruhn to Sheezel to be able to afford to get Bytel to Callaghan.

I kind of did the exact opposite and ended up giving Bruhn one more chance... Sucks to be me 😒

 

[Slammer]

Go you Blues?
Went with my heart and swapped Hewett for Cripps .. epic fail and stupid from a Supercoach perspective but tbh i just love watching Cripps play.

 

[Montyjnr]

I disagree, with how hard he runs, I think a comfortable 65+ average is what he's looking at. Yes he's 162k, but that extra 40k up from a base rookie you are paying a premium for his JS, It's his spot to lose. Got burnt more times than ever last week and still managed a 50 which isnt horrible. Considering how early we play most weeks, he's perfect for that looping M9 role. Can see him comfortably making 150k+, and he's a rookie you can rely on being a green tick each week

Would you choose him over a Will Phillips if he gets off the sub vest next week? Phillipou? Toby McLean?

 

[Connoisseur]

Are you seriously suggesting, that anyone who traded Stewart to Docherty is already in the "season stuffed"? basket.
1 trade down, 1 score roughly 30-35 lower than hoped/expected.
Bit melodramatic, don't you think?

 

[Johnsy44]

Would you choose him over a Will Phillips if he gets off the sub vest next week? Phillipou? Toby McLean?

I mean effectively you are asking, would you rather

A rookie that's a walkup B22 starter
vs
A rookie that MIGHT score better, was sub round 1, likely round 2, clearly isn't B22
vs
A mature aged player, round 1 sub, borderline B22

Pou is different, and one that I have my eye on this week, but feel both might be good choices (I plan to bring in Pou next week). I'd be going Hollands. Just my 2cents

 

[Bomber18]

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[Socrates2]

Are you seriously suggesting, that anyone who traded Stewart to Docherty is already in the "season stuffed"? basket.
1 trade down, 1 score roughly 30-35 lower than hoped/expected.
Bit melodramatic, don't you think?

Well yes their season is not stuffed but they can't win it.
1 trade lost and two average premo scores.

 

[ACmonster]

Fancy him for a decent spike score as well

I disagree, with how hard he runs, I think a comfortable 65+ average is what he's looking at. Yes he's 162k, but that extra 40k up from a base rookie you are paying a premium for his JS, It's his spot to lose. Got burnt more times than ever last week and still managed a 50 which isnt horrible. Considering how early we play most weeks, he's perfect for that looping M9 role. Can see him comfortably making 150k+, and he's a rookie you can rely on being a green tick each week

 

[Manikato1]

I mean effectively you are asking, would you rather

A rookie that's a walkup B22 starter
vs
A rookie that MIGHT score better, was sub round 1, likely round 2, clearly isn't B22
vs
A mature aged player, round 1 sub, borderline B22

Pou is different, and one that I have my eye on this week, but feel both might be good choices (I plan to bring in Pou next week). I'd be going Hollands. Just my 2cents

Agree entirely. Pou is the only one currently that offers similar circumstances.

 

[Connoisseur]

Well yes their season is not stuffed but they can't win it.
1 trade lost and two average premo scores.

Is perfection needed to “win it” and is it a realistic or attainable goal?

Are scores viewed in isolation or holistically and is it possible that others may pick up the slack and compensate for a subpar performance or two in any given round?

Is this indicative as to what the future holds for their replacement comparative to the other available options and that they will continue going at a constant rate?

How many trades on average are “lost“ to injuries to premiums and does an earlier occurrence have a more significant bearing on the final result than one or more occurring at a later stage?

 

[Ironhawk]

Well yes their season is not stuffed but they can't win it.
1 trade lost and two average premo scores.

The team that wins will easily be 10K off the maximum possible score for the season. Everyone will make poor choices - look how many went Laird C last round as an example. 120 points or so lost from Stewart to Doc over 24 rounds is 5 points per round to make up.

Yeah, agreed, Stewart to Doc is season over already...

 

[Socrates2]

Is perfection needed to “win it” and is it a realistic or attainable goal?

Are scores viewed in isolation or holistically and is it possible that others may pick up the slack and compensate for a subpar performance or two in any given round?

Is this indicative as to what the future holds for their replacement comparative to the other available options and that they will continue going at a constant rate?

How many trades on average are “lost“ to injuries to premiums and does an earlier occurrence have a more significant bearing on the final result than one or more occurring at a later stage?

I was just sticking up for those who were derided for having a whinge about starting Stewart and trading him for Docherty.
The winner this year will 100% not have done that because you need to be close to perfect to finish first in front of 100,000 other teams.

 

[Socrates2]

The team that wins will easily be 10K off the maximum possible score for the season. Everyone will make poor choices - look how many went Laird C last round as an example. 120 points or so lost from Stewart to Doc over 24 rounds is 5 points per round to make up.

Yeah, agreed, Stewart to Doc is season over already...

Ok, if this years winner has done that, I'll run around the MCG naked yelling ,'I'm a spanner'

 

[Rowsus]

Well yes their season is not stuffed but they can't win it.
1 trade lost and two average premo scores.

We have 4 or 5 previous winners on this site.
I'm 110% sure, each and everyone of them, will tell you of more than 2 or 3 wasted trades (when we had less trades!!!)
They will also tell you of countless lost points, to injured Prems, under performing Prems, and poor C choices.
To say that you cannot win, because you used a trade, and your D1 scored a total of 91 over the course of the first 2 Rounds is just ridiculous!!!!!
We could say it's harmless hyperbole ......... but it's not. What you are doing, is telling people that don't know better, and believe what you are writing, is that their season is over, after only 10 games!!!!!
It is patently wrong, and has the potential to suck the fun out of the season, for those silly enough to believe you!!!!

 

[MC's Mix]

Guys, remember he hasn't done wrong voluntarily.
The only true wisdom is in knowing that you know nothing.
- Socrates

 

[Rowsus]

I was just sticking up for those who were derided for having a whinge about starting Stewart and trading him for Docherty.
The winner this year will 100% not have done that because you need to be close to perfect to finish first in front of 100,000 other teams.

One - you don't need to be anywhere near perfect to win it. Every single winner has many, many undesirable scores, and a few regrettable trades.
Your assertion that this years winner won't have traded Stewart to Docherty is probably right, but only because of weight of numbers. Over 98% of Coaches didn't do it. Less than 2% of Coaches did!
I could just as easily say this years winner didn't start Will Brodie. His ownership numbers are about the same as the number of people that traded Stewart to Docherty. So I'm just as likely to be right as you.

 

[Socrates2]

We have 4 or 5 previous winners on this site.
I'm 110% sure, each and everyone of them, will tell you of more than 2 or 3 wasted trades (when we had less trades!!!)
They will also tell you of countless lost points, to injured Prems, under performing Prems, and poor C choices.
To say that you cannot win, because you used a trade, and your D1 scored a total of 91 over the course of the first 2 Rounds is just ridiculous!!!!!
We could say it's harmless hyperbole ......... but it's not. What you are doing, is telling people that don't know better, and believe what you are writing, is that their season is over, after only 10 games!!!!!
It is patently wrong, and has the potential to suck the fun out of the season, for those silly enough to believe you!!!!

That was not my point at all. My point was replying to NT who told people who started Stewart and traded in Doch to stop complaining.
I said they were entitled to complain because they made sound decisions and lost ground to others.

 

[Socrates2]

One - you don't need to be anywhere near perfect to win it. Every single winner has many, many undesirable scores, and a few regrettable trades.
Your assertion that this years winner won't have traded Stewart to Docherty is probably right, but only because of weight of numbers. Over 98% of Coaches didn't do it. Less than 2% of Coaches did!
I could just as easily say this years winner didn't start Will Brodie. His ownership numbers are about the same as the number of people that traded Stewart to Docherty. So I'm just as likely to be right as you.

Are those people entitled to have a whinge in your opinion or do you think they shouldn't?

 

[Rowsus]

That was not my point at all. My point was replying to NT who told people who started Stewart and traded in Doch to stop complaining.
I said they were entitled to complain because they made sound decisions and lost ground to others.

No you said their season was stuffed.
Then followed it up with "100% this seasons winner won't have done that."
Then put out there, that the winner has to have a near perfect season. No one has ever gone close to the perfect season. Not even close!!!
Then buttered it up with that you'll run around the MCG yelling "I'm a spanner" if the winner did do it.
Had you not done any of those things, we would not be having this conversation.
I repeat. You risk sucking the fun out of peoples season, by basically telling them their season is over, after only 10 games!!!!

 

[Rowsus]

Are those people entitled to have a whinge in your opinion or do you think they shouldn't?

Happy for them to bemoan their bad luck.
Happy for NT to express he's heard enough of the moaning.