Strategy 2023: Round 3 Trades

[inwhiterooms]

Current team :-

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Initial thoughts were :-

Bruhn > Chandler (Cogs fwd)
Darcy > Cameron
Jones > Daicos

News that Hopper might miss this week, can either cover with Baker or swing Ginbey up via Chesser & play Wilmot (will make him E also)

Team would then look this :-

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Cash: $10,300

I would prefer to keep Doch & Ridley (saints this week so should score well given the numbers they are giving up to defenders), Jones last 2 weeks has had 2 head knocks... have concerns.

Means I miss out on Setterfield & Ziebell but they don't really suit my structure/ current requirements.

Open to suggestions

I like this plan for you assuming you don’t have cash for English over DC?

Agree that Ziebell doesn’t work for your team and I’m still a little suspect on the pick if I’m honest. Nice team

 

[wogitalia]

Gawn > English/Witts/Cameron - Pick one basically, there's some considerations on other trades based on these.

Neale > LDU - Had enough of Neale's crap, dropping 100k while LDU goes up similar and I just like LDU.

Chesser >

Daicos - At my rank don't really think playing the same game works, he'd be the go if I wasn't going so disastrously though and chasing tail.
Chandler - Cash generation but doesn't help on field.
Setters - Balances on field help with cash generation.

Struggling with the trades this week to be honest.

 

[AngryAnt]

Keeping darcy hoping he bounces back against wc.

I'm only keeping him because I got Steele I need to replace and the gaping wound in my forward line that is Bruhn. Otherwise he would be turfed.

 

[BIGB0Y]

Gawn > English/Witts/Cameron - Pick one basically, there's some considerations on other trades based on these.

Neale > LDU - Had enough of Neale's crap, dropping 100k while LDU goes up similar and I just like LDU.

Chesser >

Daicos - At my rank don't really think playing the same game works, he'd be the go if I wasn't going so disastrously though and chasing tail.
Chandler - Cash generation but doesn't help on field.
Setters - Balances on field help with cash generation.

Struggling with the trades this week to be honest.

Whats your thought on doc? Seems like carlton have a few players playing similar roles who are pinching points off each other. sadd, newman even mcgovern to an extent. Looks like more of a 95-100 player atm..

 

[BIGB0Y]

Also only took 2 kick ins is concerning as well

 

[aj74]

The issue there though is you’ve used 2 trades for $130k. One to bring him in and then the one to get him up to a genuine premium. Not sure the upside is enough to be worth 2 trades - I agree with the earlier comment about either having started him or passing. I think you need either need to bring in players with a chance of being a keeper, or players with a bit more upside.

Nah I disagree man.

Depends maybe on the context - is he doing a round 2 correction trade for instance. Has he a premium that's seriously misfiring? But even if not, other than your starting squad, all your culls cost you 2 trades. Even late in the year when you cull a rookie down to a non-playin 102k rookie, you still use a second trade to use the freed up cash.

If you have one of your 123k rookies mooing or never getting off the starting grid properly and along comes another rookie looking good for a 130k gain or maybe more in the next month, do you say "nah I won't take that new rookie because it's two trades to get into him then get out"?

No, you trade into the rookie (maybe freeing up coin but also maybe just jumping sideways onto the hot ticket) and then you either cash him in or upgrade him later, costing you a second trade

It doesn't matter how pricey the players are. 130k is 130k and it will cost you two trades unless you are trading into a finishing premo - something you should only need to do about 10 times in a season, assuming you started with 12 keepers.

Leaves 26 trades for injury, corrections, sling shotting the byes and cash generation. This is 2 and a half times the amount we had in the 20 trades days when your 10 upgrades had to be funded by 10 rookie culls if you were lucky enough to have no injuries.

It's why the importance has switched to how fast can we generate the cash. Everyone can get their 10 or 11 upgrades with 25/26 trades to fund them. It's now all about who can do it first. So when a good chance at $130k+ comes along (and sure, nothing is guaranteed) and if that choice just might, in the meantime, hit you early season 90s and 100s when they are golden, you really should take it

 

[Masterofnone]

Have to trade Steele. Thinking either Daicos, LDU or Ziebell. Who is most likely to be a keeper?

I could get Daicos and Ziebell if I also trade out Jones or King. Annoyingly they both scored ok in round 2 so I'm not desperate to trade either, but to get a keeper cheaper now maybe it's worth it.

To get LDU and Ziebell it would have to be Jones out.

Thoughts welcome.

 

[Bontempele]

Have to trade Steele. Thinking either Daicos, LDU or Ziebell. Who is most likely to be a keeper?

I could get Daicos and Ziebell if I also trade out Jones or King. Annoyingly they both scored ok in round 2 so I'm not desperate to trade either, but to get a keeper cheaper now maybe it's worth it.

To get LDU and Ziebell it would have to be Jones out.

Thoughts welcome.

Jeez I like all three of them! Probably worth going for both Daicos and Ziebell and trading out King (he looked woeful, and as a fellow owner I think he might've just got a couple of lucky breaks to boost his score). Jones will score 70s so he's fine to hold.

 

[aj74]

Have to trade Steele. Thinking either Daicos, LDU or Ziebell. Who is most likely to be a keeper?

I could get Daicos and Ziebell if I also trade out Jones or King. Annoyingly they both scored ok in round 2 so I'm not desperate to trade either, but to get a keeper cheaper now maybe it's worth it.

To get LDU and Ziebell it would have to be Jones out.

Thoughts welcome.

All 3 have claims and risks. Another way to split them might be to ask yourself how much more each is likely to cost you later

Ziebell might add another 170k, but I doubt that Daicos will and I'm confident that LDU won't. Using that logic you'd pick ZB and Daics but there probably isn't much in it

 

[AngryAnt]

All 3 have claims and risks. Another way to split them might be to ask yourself how much more each is likely to cost you later

Ziebell might add another 170k, but I doubt that Daicos will and I'm confident that LDU won't. Using that logic you'd pick ZB and Daics but there probably isn't much in it

You're trading into Daicos and LDU with the mindset that they will be top 6/8 of their line premiums who still have some value now and not for cash gen I would have thought.

 

[Brettthejett]

Thinking this week I’ll do

Bruhn, Callaghan, flanders to

Daicos, Sheezel, Chandler

Going to hold Gawn and trade next week coz he can’t lose any cash, hopefully Geelong don’t drop Rat. won’t be many points but will be more than the 0 max give me last week

 

[Brookesy]

Feel that I may be a year too early on JHF and was sucked in by such a dominant performance v the Brisbane midfield.
Considering:
Option 1:
JHF - Ziebell
Jones - Chandler (via DPP)
Callaghan - Setterfield
That does feel a bit like chasing mid-pricers for FOMO.

Option 2:
JHF - Chandler
Darcy - Cameron
Jones/Callaghan - LDU (or maybe Daicos)
I'm not entirely sure that Cameron maintains his current level of scoring but he could be an an avenue to Gawn and LDU looks like he has taken the next step to premium level, but could still be a trap.
Any thought would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Shannon]

Feel that I may be a year too early on JHF and was sucked in by such a dominant performance v the Brisbane midfield.
Considering:
Option 1:
JHF - Ziebell
Jones - Chandler (via DPP)
Callaghan - Setterfield
That does feel a bit like chasing mid-pricers for FOMO.

Option 2:
JHF - Chandler
Darcy - Cameron
Jones/Callaghan - LDU (or maybe Daicos)
I'm not entirely sure that Cameron maintains his current level of scoring but he could be an an avenue to Gawn and LDU looks like he has taken the next step to premium level, but could still be a trap.
Any thought would be greatly appreciated.

I wouldn’t be trading JHF the week after you just got him.

BE of 17, at home this week v Adelaide- surely give another week at least.

 

[Chumpion]

Nah I disagree man.

Depends maybe on the context - is he doing a round 2 correction trade for instance. Has he a premium that's seriously misfiring? But even if not, other than your starting squad, all your culls cost you 2 trades. Even late in the year when you cull a rookie down to a non-playin 102k rookie, you still use a second trade to use the freed up cash.

If you have one of your 123k rookies mooing or never getting off the starting grid properly and along comes another rookie looking good for a 130k gain or maybe more in the next month, do you say "nah I won't take that new rookie because it's two trades to get into him then get out"?

No, you trade into the rookie (maybe freeing up coin but also maybe just jumping sideways onto the hot ticket) and then you either cash him in or upgrade him later, costing you a second trade

It doesn't matter how pricey the players are. 130k is 130k and it will cost you two trades unless you are trading into a finishing premo - something you should only need to do about 10 times in a season, assuming you started with 12 keepers.

Leaves 26 trades for injury, corrections, sling shotting the byes and cash generation. This is 2 and a half times the amount we had in the 20 trades days when your 10 upgrades had to be funded by 10 rookie culls if you were lucky enough to have no injuries.

It's why the importance has switched to how fast can we generate the cash. Everyone can get their 10 or 11 upgrades with 25/26 trades to fund them. It's now all about who can do it first. So when a good chance at $130k+ comes along (and sure, nothing is guaranteed) and if that choice just might, in the meantime, hit you early season 90s and 100s when they are golden, you really should take it

I get what you’re saying but I massively disagree with you saying the price doesn’t matter and that a mid pricer (eg Setterfield) and a $123k rookie are the same, cause they definitely aren’t, as:

1. The rookie has a much higher ceiling for potential cash gen. It’s not unreasonable for a rookie to push up to $300k from a $123k starting price, and the ability for them to do so is much more likely than the mid pricer making that level of cash.

2. The bar to be successful is much lower, as the rookie doesn’t need to hit 90-100 scores every week to make the money. Even your scenario for Setterfield requires some pretty best case scenario stuff.

3. The risks are far lower of a dud score derailing them completely. If Setterfield comes out and scores 60 this week his cash gen is destroyed and now it’s 2 trades for no benefit. While rookies can also fail, the range for them is much safer.

So if doing a correction trade after round 2, 10/10 times it should be to a missed rookie that is scoring well over a mid pricer. How many times have we see guys go 130+ for the first 2 games then revert to 80’s once everyone jumps on..

 

[Rumbler]

So first and foremost this week, Steele to N.Daicos is done.

However, apart from that I'm really torn and struggling to decide what to do. Really not sure what to do with Darcy, or what to prioritize.

Option 1:
Fyfe --> Ziebell
Chesser --> Chandler

Option 2:
Fyfe --> Setterfield
Chesser --> Chandler

Option 3:
Fyfe --> Ziebell
L.Hunter --> Setterfield


Open to all other suggestions as well!

 

[Wingemi77]

Unsure what to do here, leaning toward option 2 as I get to keep Macrae.

Option 1:
Ridley > Daicos
Macrae > LDU
Cunnington > Ziebell

Option 2:
Cunnington > Chandler
Chesser > LDU
Ridley > Daicos

 

[Brookesy]

I wouldn’t be trading JHF the week after you just got him.

BE of 17, at home this week v Adelaide- surely give another week at least.

Good point, is probably a touch knee jerk. Cheers.

 

[Pesci001]

That's the million dollar question lol.

If Cameron continues to be the main pies ruck (which I suspect he will be) I think he can average 110 from what I have seen first 2 weeks.

Darcy is a very hard one, when in form/ connection with mids on song he can go absolutely huge with 150+ scores. No doubt Freo will be working hard to get this fixed so really it depends when they get that sorted for Darcy to start scoring big again.

If Comben (Round 1) can score 83pts in 3 qtrs against WCE and Flynn scores 132pts against WCE last round.
2 very avrg ruckman scoring well against West Coast. What will Darcy do? Logic tells me 130+, time will tell

 

[Shannon]

So first and foremost this week, Steele to N.Daicos is done.

However, apart from that I'm really torn and struggling to decide what to do. Really not sure what to do with Darcy, or what to prioritize.

Option 1:
Fyfe --> Ziebell
Chesser --> Chandler

Option 2:
Fyfe --> Setterfield
Chesser --> Chandler

Option 3:
Fyfe --> Ziebell
L.Hunter --> Setterfield


Open to all other suggestions as well!

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Fyfe > Ziebell for sure

Hunter just scored 99 so I wouldn’t trade him

I would actually consider Macrae > LDU in his current form & with crazy Bevo doing weird things.

Would leave you cashed up for more shopping next week 😉

 

[Pesci001]

Is Setterfield a necessary pick up before LDU?

With simpkin missing this week LDU will probably get the tag.
He'll score 100 instead of 150