Strategy 2023: Round 4 Trades
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I was having a quick look at projections during the week.
I think I need 3-4 $ 100k downgrades to look at a Laird or Oliver type in about Round 6 with Ashcroft or Mackenzie getting to about $ 350k so can't see that happening.
Curious to see how much the Holmes , Hopper , JHF , Setterfield , Worpel's etc have risen by then (Ash , Bruhn & Fyfe are on the list for comparison as well).
Macrae , Neale and a few others could be of interest price wise but does their form/scores warrant trading them in ?
Dawson & Stewart on the defensive tracking list.
Very curious if people move Ziebell (and Sheezel) to defence are they fielding F rookies over Ginbey & McKenna or upgrading forwards , dependent on DPP announcements.
Interesting few weeks coming up.
We may not even have viable Bubble Boys to start downgrading.
I think I need 3-4 $ 100k downgrades to look at a Laird or Oliver type in about Round 6 with Ashcroft or Mackenzie getting to about $ 350k so can't see that happening.
Curious to see how much the Holmes , Hopper , JHF , Setterfield , Worpel's etc have risen by then (Ash , Bruhn & Fyfe are on the list for comparison as well).
Macrae , Neale and a few others could be of interest price wise but does their form/scores warrant trading them in ?
Dawson & Stewart on the defensive tracking list.
Very curious if people move Ziebell (and Sheezel) to defence are they fielding F rookies over Ginbey & McKenna or upgrading forwards , dependent on DPP announcements.
Interesting few weeks coming up.
We may not even have viable Bubble Boys to start downgrading.
His form and scoring may be a little problematic right now but his bye makes him a must have. At some stage by then at least
As to moving ZB and Sheezel and fielding rookies forward: I think most of us have a Constable/Wilmot/Cowan D6 at the moment. One of the North guys would go back, opening F6 if you're runnig a typical Dunks/Taranto/Rozee/Gulden front 4. Not sure that anyone would have them and Cogs though if they did, he would probably be helping out in the mids and could come forward to replace the first North guy to go back. It's what I'm planning to do with JHF is he survives
If Bowes comes up, there is no need to move Sheezel unless you are running really skinny back there. Most have Naicos and 1 or 2 of Doc/Dawson/Sicily. As I wrote before, I'm ok back there once ZB goes back with Ginbey and McKenna doing D5 and 6. If Bowes comes in, it will be Ginbey to the mids with probably Chesser getting the flick for Bowes. Add Kozzi and another of the forward DPPs can go to the mids.
With regards to us not having enough viable bubble boys worth downgrading, this is another advantage of the MPM strategy.
When the GnR player has 2 x 330k rookies mooing he hopes to have 2 rookies on the bubble. The best he can realistically hope for is downgrading to a 102k rookie, leaving him enough cash to a 560k premo. It's why he has to spend big on Laird and Oliver because there is a really good chance that those guys will never get cheap enough to go 1 up 1 down at a convenient time and if they ever get close, the player risks missing out on other quality trades.
The MPM player has the benefit of an extra couple of hundred k baked into his players' prices in this situation. If he has a couple of MPMs that are on the block, usually for underperforming as if they were performing well the player has scored a budget premium worth keeping, then he might have a couple of 450k type MPs to trade. The player only needs 1 rookie now instead of 2 because 1 downgrade pays for 1 upgrade to a 620k premiumwith maybe 150k left over.
My list currently has: JHF, Setterfield, Hopper, Worpel and I'll add ZB for illustrative purposes (no intention of really trading him but he s an MP right now)
Assuming it goes well and my players get to an average of 480k, I need 2 X 123k rookies to appear. That frees up 2 * 357k = 714k to spread across 3 x 480k players. I could upgrade all 3 to in form, 620k premiums, leaving me nearly 300k in the kitty. Considering I am also likely to have any mooing rookies that the GnR player has (at 330k), I can hit 1 of them up to a bona fide mid premium too.
Forget 1 down one up, maybe getting a fallen premium or someone for your forwards. That's 2 down 4 up and the ability to bring in 4 premium mids in 2 weeks.
It's a dangerous ploy doing the MPM and you need to get those MPs right and unless you nail them all at the start, there's a fair bit of correcting to do. But I'm developing faith that payoff here isn't just in having a supposedly more stable opening round squad.
As to moving ZB and Sheezel and fielding rookies forward: I think most of us have a Constable/Wilmot/Cowan D6 at the moment. One of the North guys would go back, opening F6 if you're runnig a typical Dunks/Taranto/Rozee/Gulden front 4. Not sure that anyone would have them and Cogs though if they did, he would probably be helping out in the mids and could come forward to replace the first North guy to go back. It's what I'm planning to do with JHF is he survives
If Bowes comes up, there is no need to move Sheezel unless you are running really skinny back there. Most have Naicos and 1 or 2 of Doc/Dawson/Sicily. As I wrote before, I'm ok back there once ZB goes back with Ginbey and McKenna doing D5 and 6. If Bowes comes in, it will be Ginbey to the mids with probably Chesser getting the flick for Bowes. Add Kozzi and another of the forward DPPs can go to the mids.
With regards to us not having enough viable bubble boys worth downgrading, this is another advantage of the MPM strategy.
When the GnR player has 2 x 330k rookies mooing he hopes to have 2 rookies on the bubble. The best he can realistically hope for is downgrading to a 102k rookie, leaving him enough cash to a 560k premo. It's why he has to spend big on Laird and Oliver because there is a really good chance that those guys will never get cheap enough to go 1 up 1 down at a convenient time and if they ever get close, the player risks missing out on other quality trades.
The MPM player has the benefit of an extra couple of hundred k baked into his players' prices in this situation. If he has a couple of MPMs that are on the block, usually for underperforming as if they were performing well the player has scored a budget premium worth keeping, then he might have a couple of 450k type MPs to trade. The player only needs 1 rookie now instead of 2 because 1 downgrade pays for 1 upgrade to a 620k premiumwith maybe 150k left over.
My list currently has: JHF, Setterfield, Hopper, Worpel and I'll add ZB for illustrative purposes (no intention of really trading him but he s an MP right now)
Assuming it goes well and my players get to an average of 480k, I need 2 X 123k rookies to appear. That frees up 2 * 357k = 714k to spread across 3 x 480k players. I could upgrade all 3 to in form, 620k premiums, leaving me nearly 300k in the kitty. Considering I am also likely to have any mooing rookies that the GnR player has (at 330k), I can hit 1 of them up to a bona fide mid premium too.
Forget 1 down one up, maybe getting a fallen premium or someone for your forwards. That's 2 down 4 up and the ability to bring in 4 premium mids in 2 weeks.
It's a dangerous ploy doing the MPM and you need to get those MPs right and unless you nail them all at the start, there's a fair bit of correcting to do. But I'm developing faith that payoff here isn't just in having a supposedly more stable opening round squad.
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Bloody stings when you make what’s objectively the right call and get punished for it. On the upside well run out of rucks by round 6 if we keep executing them at this rate. Can’t get it wrong if there’s none left 
Wouldn't the better idea/plan be to downgrade M9 , M10 & M11 and using their dollars to upgrade 3-4 mid priced mids ?
By downgrading a mid pricer won't that mean M9 moves onfield ?
Would have thought the idea of the mid pricers is to upgrade them all to premiums and still downgrade the bench
My defence is currently :-
Docherty , Rioli , Daicos , Cole , Ginbey, McKenna / Wilmot , Cowan
Watching the Bowes option (no Bank though so it will require a early downgrade somewhere)
Thought my forward line was looking ok when I brought Cameron in
Dunkley , Rozee , Taranto , Cameron , Ziebell , Sheezel / Chandler , Greene
Need to think about the Pickett option (doubt he is a premium) and work out the Ziebell & Sheezel move better.
Not sure who is looking like getting DPP so may even be better off waiting until after Round 5 in case better options present.
Million thoughts going through my head about SC , NBA , EPL , IDT , life etc etc so just need to sit back for a few rounds and see what happens with the rookies price rise and see what opportunities present.
Without viable downgrades and dollars , upgrades are problematical at this early stage
By downgrading a mid pricer won't that mean M9 moves onfield ?
Would have thought the idea of the mid pricers is to upgrade them all to premiums and still downgrade the bench
My defence is currently :-
Docherty , Rioli , Daicos , Cole , Ginbey, McKenna / Wilmot , Cowan
Watching the Bowes option (no Bank though so it will require a early downgrade somewhere)
Thought my forward line was looking ok when I brought Cameron in
Dunkley , Rozee , Taranto , Cameron , Ziebell , Sheezel / Chandler , Greene
Need to think about the Pickett option (doubt he is a premium) and work out the Ziebell & Sheezel move better.
Not sure who is looking like getting DPP so may even be better off waiting until after Round 5 in case better options present.
Million thoughts going through my head about SC , NBA , EPL , IDT , life etc etc so just need to sit back for a few rounds and see what happens with the rookies price rise and see what opportunities present.
Without viable downgrades and dollars , upgrades are problematical at this early stage
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^ In the example above, we are looking at downgrading to a viable rookie. It's upgrade season and both the GnR and the MPM player are looking to upgrade and fast.
If the GnR player is downgrading one of his 330k players, then there is a good chance that that rookie was on field for him too. After all, the GnR player stacks his list with the extra couple of premos at the start, resulting in an extra couple of these rookies having to be in the 22.
When the GnR player downgrades, he doesn't change his Premo/Rookie mix and he often doesn't get enough funds to get anything other than an out of form premium or one that is NQR. This also risks him not improving his Premo/Rookie ratio. It's usually a 1.2/1.3 down/1 up equation.
Now yes, I think that if you go into the year with just a couple of MPs, then yeah, you upgrade them with funds earned on the bench. It's what we've always done because MPs are so hard to predict and get right. But this year, the extra pool of viable MPs and the stupid amount of trades and boosts we have now means we got to go in heavier and to me, it looks like this has opened up a whole new strategy.
It's axiomatic that the MPM player doesn't have the top end grunt of the GnR player but he tries to steal his points back by not having 40 point rookies on field. Whether that works is hotly up for debate but I think the results show that GnR has the wood on MPM over the years. But the heavy MPM guy having 1 or 2 fewer dribblers in his 22 also flows down to his bench. The MPM winds up with a bench devoid of Greene/Cowan/Chesser types (at least that's the plan) and cash generation there should at least match that of the GnR player because what's for sure is, the MPM guy has all the good rookies that the GnR guy has, so the cash generation advantage gets cancelled out.
Anyway, I could be full of .... (family channel) with this but I'm going to give it a hoik this year and let you all know, in way too many words, how it goes
And Pickett should be a huge watch for you. Yeah he won't kick 4 goals every week but he was up the ground playing seriously well. He ain't a stay at home pressure forward anymore, that's for sure. Keeper? Yeah that's marginal perhaps. 150k in him? Yeah I think maybe.
If the GnR player is downgrading one of his 330k players, then there is a good chance that that rookie was on field for him too. After all, the GnR player stacks his list with the extra couple of premos at the start, resulting in an extra couple of these rookies having to be in the 22.
When the GnR player downgrades, he doesn't change his Premo/Rookie mix and he often doesn't get enough funds to get anything other than an out of form premium or one that is NQR. This also risks him not improving his Premo/Rookie ratio. It's usually a 1.2/1.3 down/1 up equation.
Now yes, I think that if you go into the year with just a couple of MPs, then yeah, you upgrade them with funds earned on the bench. It's what we've always done because MPs are so hard to predict and get right. But this year, the extra pool of viable MPs and the stupid amount of trades and boosts we have now means we got to go in heavier and to me, it looks like this has opened up a whole new strategy.
It's axiomatic that the MPM player doesn't have the top end grunt of the GnR player but he tries to steal his points back by not having 40 point rookies on field. Whether that works is hotly up for debate but I think the results show that GnR has the wood on MPM over the years. But the heavy MPM guy having 1 or 2 fewer dribblers in his 22 also flows down to his bench. The MPM winds up with a bench devoid of Greene/Cowan/Chesser types (at least that's the plan) and cash generation there should at least match that of the GnR player because what's for sure is, the MPM guy has all the good rookies that the GnR guy has, so the cash generation advantage gets cancelled out.
Anyway, I could be full of .... (family channel) with this but I'm going to give it a hoik this year and let you all know, in way too many words, how it goes
And Pickett should be a huge watch for you. Yeah he won't kick 4 goals every week but he was up the ground playing seriously well. He ain't a stay at home pressure forward anymore, that's for sure. Keeper? Yeah that's marginal perhaps. 150k in him? Yeah I think maybe.
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Sorry Herbie, I didn't really address your first query:
Wouldn't the better idea/plan be to downgrade M9 , M10 & M11 and using their dollars to upgrade 3-4 mid priced mids ?
In your example, you need 3 viable rookies to appear. M9-11 probably needs also to have made you fairly decent coin to date. Assuming that happens (a big if) you get 3 new premiums for the loss of 3MPs. No extra rookies on field.
In my example, I used 6 trades to bring in 4 in form premiums. I only needed 2 viable rookies to appear in order to do it. Yes, 1 of my onfield spots has been taken by either one of the new rookies or M9
Wouldn't the better idea/plan be to downgrade M9 , M10 & M11 and using their dollars to upgrade 3-4 mid priced mids ?
In your example, you need 3 viable rookies to appear. M9-11 probably needs also to have made you fairly decent coin to date. Assuming that happens (a big if) you get 3 new premiums for the loss of 3MPs. No extra rookies on field.
In my example, I used 6 trades to bring in 4 in form premiums. I only needed 2 viable rookies to appear in order to do it. Yes, 1 of my onfield spots has been taken by either one of the new rookies or M9
All good.
Correct certainly can't see M9-11 making quick enough money to upgrading onfield Ashcroft , Mackenzie & Hollands to fallen mid premiums
Like the thinking and different approaches/strategies to play the game.
Certainly with extra trades and boosts it changes what we have learnt in the past and are maybe too reluctant to change.
I mean I know it's only 2 rounds but IF the midpricers work (90+ & $ 125-150k price rise) and you have say a Mackenzie @ M9 & maybe Hollands @ M10 compared to others who have them onfield it certainly could open up a lot of very different , quick downgrade options.
Of course then onfield comparisons need to be made between onfield premiums v mid pricers v rookies etc etc
Full credit for trying it , hope it works out.
Just for the sake of it I am tracking Ash , Bruhn , Cunnington , Fyfe , Holmes , Hopper , Horne-Francis , Setterfield , Sheed & Worpel and seeing where their prices and averages are after Round 6.
Also going to look at the Top 10 most expensive priced starting mids to see their price in relation.
Quick napkin figures
4 x $ 650,000
1 x $ 350,000
3 x $ 200,000
3 x $ 125,000
= $ 3,925,000
2 x $ 650,000
6 x $ 350,000
3 x $ 200,000
= $ 4,000,000
Better scoring rookies on the bench and finding 6 mid pricers that actually work
Good luck with it all
Correct certainly can't see M9-11 making quick enough money to upgrading onfield Ashcroft , Mackenzie & Hollands to fallen mid premiums
Like the thinking and different approaches/strategies to play the game.
Certainly with extra trades and boosts it changes what we have learnt in the past and are maybe too reluctant to change.
I mean I know it's only 2 rounds but IF the midpricers work (90+ & $ 125-150k price rise) and you have say a Mackenzie @ M9 & maybe Hollands @ M10 compared to others who have them onfield it certainly could open up a lot of very different , quick downgrade options.
Of course then onfield comparisons need to be made between onfield premiums v mid pricers v rookies etc etc
Full credit for trying it , hope it works out.
Just for the sake of it I am tracking Ash , Bruhn , Cunnington , Fyfe , Holmes , Hopper , Horne-Francis , Setterfield , Sheed & Worpel and seeing where their prices and averages are after Round 6.
Also going to look at the Top 10 most expensive priced starting mids to see their price in relation.
Quick napkin figures
4 x $ 650,000
1 x $ 350,000
3 x $ 200,000
3 x $ 125,000
= $ 3,925,000
2 x $ 650,000
6 x $ 350,000
3 x $ 200,000
= $ 4,000,000
Better scoring rookies on the bench and finding 6 mid pricers that actually work
Good luck with it all
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