Position 2021: Ruck Discussion

[Herbie66]

Hoping Bont does actually.

I actually have 5 Doggies and no Collingwood players.

Just hope Bevo rotates his mids every minute he can , already imagine the posts tonight during the game.

 

[wogitalia]

I'm completely ready to ditch Gawn if Grundy and Martin and the general stats hold up on the preseason and first game, will be watching very closely. Otherwise have accepted that the risk isn't really worth the reward unless Gawn/Grundy are going to be significantly impacted.

Basically if it's 10-20 points for 6 weeks of Flynn over another rookie I'm not sure it's worth the "no playing ruck" outcome that is very plausible, would cancel it all out straight away. If Gawn and Grundy look set to drop 20% on last year's price then that scenario really does pivot substantially in that you're making money where most are losing it.

 

[Gruffles]

Going al 3 rookies in the ruck. We never have so many rookie rucks available, at the same time, we have a rule change that is limiting the scoring power of rucks...1.4M is a lot to spend on players who you are expecting to drop 10-15 points each.

I’m far more sold on hunter js than others, reckon he stays in until Ryder returns, which could easily be a month or two in (listed as indefinite). Poor bloke was away for his kids for > 12 months.

Risk reward, time to live a little.

I restructured last night for 3 rookie rucks in both SC and DT, here's to hoping we don't look foolish in a month.

 

[Pieman17]

I'm completely ready to ditch Gawn if Grundy and Martin and the general stats hold up on the preseason and first game, will be watching very closely. Otherwise have accepted that the risk isn't really worth the reward unless Gawn/Grundy are going to be significantly impacted.

Basically if it's 10-20 points for 6 weeks of Flynn over another rookie I'm not sure it's worth the "no playing ruck" outcome that is very plausible, would cancel it all out straight away. If Gawn and Grundy look set to drop 20% on last year's price then that scenario really does pivot substantially in that you're making money where most are losing it.

To play devil’s advocate, does that mean Flynn’s scoring would drop as well ?

 

[wogitalia]

To play devil’s advocate, does that mean Flynn’s scoring would drop as well ?

Yeah most likely but he's still going to make a fair bit of cash rather than hemorrhage it if it holds up how it's going so far.

Definitely not looking good again tonight, on pace for the same amount of hitouts and neither of the ruckmen is scoring remotely well. English playing HF is looking the best in the rucks after 4 players

 

[Grundogging]

Grundy has been nothing short of terrible tonight. Issues generally with ruck scoring prospects aside his ruck work has been pathetic (most times he's not even looing to see where his team mates are) and his previous capacity to impact the contest on the ground appears to have disappeared almost entirely.

It almost feels like I might need to make this immediate correction next week unless he has a massive last quarter.

 

[Diabolical]

Grundy has been nothing short of terrible tonight. Issues generally with ruck scoring prospects aside his ruck work has been pathetic (most times he's not even looing to see where his team mates are) and his previous capacity to impact the contest on the ground appears to have disappeared almost entirely.

It almost feels like I might need to make this immediate correction next week unless he has a massive last quarter.

To be fair it has been 2 tag teaming him most of the night. I’m prepared to give him a second chance next week before panicking!

 

[Shannon]

Stef Martin knows how to play Grundy, has a good record v him.
No need to panic but it hasn’t been a good performance by Grundy tonight

 

[TigerTime]

Does it seem to anyone else that scores are more evenly spread from our 2 games thus far (besides Dusty of course)? To be expected after last year, but to me seems a lot more scores between the 80-110 mark and not many kicking above that compared to other normal years. Not basing this on anything though and my memory can be a bit warped so could be completely wrong
Could just be the low rucks scores making it appear this way

 

[Darkie]

Does it seem to anyone else that scores are more evenly spread from our 2 games thus far (besides Dusty of course)? To be expected after last year, but to me seems a lot more scores between the 80-110 mark and not many kicking above that compared to other normal years. Not basing this on anything though and my memory can be a bit warped so could be completely wrong
Could just be the low rucks scores making it appear this way

Versus 2020, scores will definitely be more tightly bunched, as we have moved back to longer quarters (shorter quarters led to a smaller number of “acts” per game, so every act has magnified impact).

Whether they’re more tightly bunched than 2019 or earlier, we’ll have to wait and see.

 

[freowho]

Does it seem to anyone else that scores are more evenly spread from our 2 games thus far (besides Dusty of course)? To be expected after last year, but to me seems a lot more scores between the 80-110 mark and not many kicking above that compared to other normal years. Not basing this on anything though and my memory can be a bit warped so could be completely wrong
Could just be the low rucks scores making it appear this way

Maybe the lack of stoppages.

 

[Yasi]

Versus 2020, scores will definitely be more tightly bunched, as we have moved back to longer quarters (shorter quarters led to a smaller number of “acts” per game, so every act has magnified impact).

Whether they’re more tightly bunched than 2019 or earlier, we’ll have to wait and see.

Captain score expectations might then need to be adjusted accordingly. Last year was a smorgasbords of 150+ games by some of the popular captains picks.

 

[TigerTime]

Versus 2020, scores will definitely be more tightly bunched, as we have moved back to longer quarters (shorter quarters led to a smaller number of “acts” per game, so every act has magnified impact).

Whether they’re more tightly bunched than 2019 or earlier, we’ll have to wait and see.

Will be interesting. I didn't watch the game but looking at FanFooty there seemed to have been a huge amount of clangers, keeping some players' scores down a touch. 8 clangers for Pendles and 6 for Bont strikes me as unusual.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

85 DT for Grundy would normally be at least 105 SC for him.

The dogs mids were so good at sharking his hit-outs tonight and the Pies midfield was horrible.

He took several intercept marks and had a few hit-outs to advantage in the last quarter but wasn’t scored well for them as the game was done.

No need to panic (yet).

 

[Wheedus]

Captain score expectations might then need to be adjusted accordingly. Last year was a smorgasbords of 150+ games by some of the popular captains picks.

Makes Dusty’s game that more impressive

 

[Grundogging]

To be fair it has been 2 tag teaming him most of the night. I’m prepared to give him a second chance next week before panicking!

The tag teaming doesn't explain his extraordinarily poor tap work in the ruck and he'll need a steady stream of HTA's to hit that 120 average we need him to.

My concerns aren't all about Grundy himself either as our midfield was equally horrible and I can't see how our midfield is going to be even moderately competitive at stoppages in the near future until the new additions to the midfield rotation settle and get more comfortable in their new roles.

The small flurry of junk time scoring acts made his score look a little less bad, but there are red flags everywhere with Grundy's performance tonight.

 

[Hawk41]

Don't think Grundy's score can purely be put down to the new rules and game style.
Still had 39 hit outs, he averaged 41 hit outs in 2019, be interesting to see how many hta he had, think that cost him a lot. Didn't have many and dogs sharked a lot of his hit outs.
Also just had a bad game in general and felt like he got scored pretty harshly at times.

Will give him another game or sure.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I still think the game is moving to fast for the ruckman, I’m flying early in the morning and won’t be on the ground until late afternoon so I’ll need to set my team early, I’ll likely move Gawn to Neale I think....

 

[Toothless Tigers]

I swapped out Grundy for Martin and left the cash on the bench to upgrade elsewhere this round.

 

[McLovin]

Clearances (38-32) and tackles (57-52) were two of the few areas Collingwood didn't get smashed in (both very Grundy relevant). It will be interesting to see how many HTA he ended up with, because my feeling is that's where a large portion of his points would've come from already.