Position 2021: Ruck Discussion
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I reckon the Martin and English combination and the depth give the Dogs the edge.
Neale, Lyons, Clug, Zorko, Bailey & Berry is a great group but I think Macrae, Bont, Smith, Hunter, Libba, Dunkley and Treloar just goes that bit deeper and that's not even counting Lipinski or McLean who can't even get a run through there but who I'd take both of over Robinson (love Robbo though!) at this point (if fit!).
Positive for the Lyons is their group are such workhorses that they dont need the depth though I would argue you can make the same case for the Dogs group, they just happen to have it.
Think the biggest difference between the two teams are Bevo vs Fagan, which has been significant over the past couple of years, and the small forwards, which in the modern game is as important as any position outside the midfield where the ability to create goals from inside 50 ground balls is probably the most important goal scoring mechanism in the game and the ability to retain it inside your own F50 until you can create that goal is probably the most important part of the game in general (Hence my hatred of Horse's philosophy of retain it in your D50...).
Neale, Lyons, Clug, Zorko, Bailey & Berry is a great group but I think Macrae, Bont, Smith, Hunter, Libba, Dunkley and Treloar just goes that bit deeper and that's not even counting Lipinski or McLean who can't even get a run through there but who I'd take both of over Robinson (love Robbo though!) at this point (if fit!).
Positive for the Lyons is their group are such workhorses that they dont need the depth though I would argue you can make the same case for the Dogs group, they just happen to have it.
Think the biggest difference between the two teams are Bevo vs Fagan, which has been significant over the past couple of years, and the small forwards, which in the modern game is as important as any position outside the midfield where the ability to create goals from inside 50 ground balls is probably the most important goal scoring mechanism in the game and the ability to retain it inside your own F50 until you can create that goal is probably the most important part of the game in general (Hence my hatred of Horse's philosophy of retain it in your D50...).
Wasn't considering the rucks at all.
I am still backing the Lions.
Just a shame Rayner did his knee to see what he could have achieved this year.
But now I think about it a bit more Bolton , Cotchin , Edwards , Graham , Lambert , Martin , Prestia etc might even be more effective than both of them , 3 premierships in 4 years is a very strong indicator.
Might not get the headlines of the Bulldogs mids though.
Massive fan of Lipinski , he would be the one I would be throwing truckloads of dollars at.
I am still backing the Lions.
Just a shame Rayner did his knee to see what he could have achieved this year.
But now I think about it a bit more Bolton , Cotchin , Edwards , Graham , Lambert , Martin , Prestia etc might even be more effective than both of them , 3 premierships in 4 years is a very strong indicator.
Might not get the headlines of the Bulldogs mids though.
Massive fan of Lipinski , he would be the one I would be throwing truckloads of dollars at.
Tigers on paper have one of the weaker teams in the league, it's what makes their achievements all the more impressive. They genuinely have one of the worst midfields on paper, imo, but they keep it simple, move it forward and they gut run like no other team, they're just fitter than everyone and they apply pressure at an elite level for far longer than anyone else and eventually the turnovers create chances.
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There was a bit of talk in the preseason, that we shouldn't be concerned if the new open, faster game causes problems for Grawndy. If they drop 20%, similar drops will likely occur for all Rucks, and if they finish R1/R2 all is well.
I'm not sure that factors in that there are so many different types of Rucks, which means the changes will affect some more than others.
I also think there was sort of a base the top 8 or 10 Rucks were operating on, and the best 3 or 4 just built better on that base. If the building on that base becomes too hard, we might see the better Rucks only 5 or if they are lucky 10, in front of the chasing pack.
Given Grawndy cost as much as $350-$400k more than the chasing pack, is that money well spent for 10-20point/week return?
I don't think it is.
I think Coaches will find a way to slow the game a little, and hopefully that will give the elite a chance to build on that currently looking small difference.
I'm not sure that factors in that there are so many different types of Rucks, which means the changes will affect some more than others.
I also think there was sort of a base the top 8 or 10 Rucks were operating on, and the best 3 or 4 just built better on that base. If the building on that base becomes too hard, we might see the better Rucks only 5 or if they are lucky 10, in front of the chasing pack.
Given Grawndy cost as much as $350-$400k more than the chasing pack, is that money well spent for 10-20point/week return?
I don't think it is.
I think Coaches will find a way to slow the game a little, and hopefully that will give the elite a chance to build on that currently looking small difference.
This is a thread I thought I will never need to visit this season!
Very disappointed by Gawndy but certainly not going to be panic trading either of them next week. It's only been one round and I just don't like making rushed decisions. If they drop in price, so be it. I'll just need to take the losses on the chin. I'll be backing them to come good again.
However, for now I will need to tread carefully if considering to VC/C either of Gawndy.
Nailing the captain pick has always been important but I think it'll be more crucial this season as the rucks may not be as reliable as the past few years. Well...not as reliable for the first few weeks anyways. Come to think of it...we've been spoiled big time by Gawndy over the past few years!
Very disappointed by Gawndy but certainly not going to be panic trading either of them next week. It's only been one round and I just don't like making rushed decisions. If they drop in price, so be it. I'll just need to take the losses on the chin. I'll be backing them to come good again.
However, for now I will need to tread carefully if considering to VC/C either of Gawndy.
Nailing the captain pick has always been important but I think it'll be more crucial this season as the rucks may not be as reliable as the past few years. Well...not as reliable for the first few weeks anyways. Come to think of it...we've been spoiled big time by Gawndy over the past few years!