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Yes injury will always be a worry with him. He certainly seems to have knuckled down and got himself the required base this year though.
I have a Collingwood mate who reckons De Goey would come back unfit/overweight for preseason every year. Then train hard playing catch-up and be susceptible to soft tissue injuries. When finally match-fit later in the year, would play some good footy. Gov has been the same, although without the run of good late-season games.
He will have a good role, is a great mark, a very good kick and quick for his size. He asked Voss for the opportunity and it seems he wants to prove himself worthy.
In a nutshell - he scores well if he stays on the park. Unfortunately, I can't guarantee he does.
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I have a Collingwood mate who reckons De Goey would come back unfit/overweight for preseason every year. Then train hard playing catch-up and be susceptible to soft tissue injuries. When finally match-fit later in the year, would play some good footy. Gov has been the same, although without the run of good late-season games.
He will have a good role, is a great mark, a very good kick and quick for his size. He asked Voss for the opportunity and it seems he wants to prove himself worthy.
In a nutshell - he scores well if he stays on the park. Unfortunately, I can't guarantee he does.
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Sorry for digging up the old quote here but I've only just started going through this thread. Bruz is a fan fave of mine so I can shed some light on what happened
Maynard landed awkwardly and hurt his ankle early on - thinking it was round 3 since it was at Marvel IIRC. Could have been round 2 as he only dished up a 49 that night. Took him a while to get over it and into the season and like most at the club, seemed to be caught up in the malaise we had going on there on field. Seriously, it is hard to overstate how bad the morale was through the army at that stage and you could see from the players' efforts that it was pretty bad within the walls too. We were a rabble onfield and off, with only an ultra defensive gameplan saving us from 100 point smashings. Our loss to Gold Coast at the G in round 7 was probably the most dispirited I'd seen them play since the dying days of the Shaw era 22 years ago.
Moore went down for the season during the Melbourne game in Sydney at half year. With Howe also missing and Kelly in the medical room again, Maynard was asked often to play 2nd tall as we had nobody else who was AFL level to do the job. Still averaged 95.3, over 9 games including the 47 in round 23 when we fielded half a VFL team and an AFL contingent that wanted to be anywhere but.
2021 was a putrid year for the whole club.
Now: Roughead/Moore/Howe isn't a very durable trio of tall backs at the moment but the acquisition of Dean and Krueger should help smooth that out. And you never know, Kelly might start getting through games. He's been training forward but if our talls start falling, he could still be switched back. I doubt Maynard will be asked to do a job on Jeremy Cameron again. The danger, as always, is that he's the only one on our list with a hope of standing Toby Greene or Liam Ryan. He's bound to get those jobs again.
If Maynard spends quality time in the mids, then he is bound to get more ball. He will lose some of his scoring that he can rack up off half back though so let's say it cancels out. The big improvement will be in that he can swing through the mids when he is having a shocker (less than 80 points), of which he had 7 last year. If, on those days, he picks up just 3 contested possessions in the midfield and bangs it over 40 metres forward, as is his wont, he gains around 20 points. That doesn't count the extra tackles he would lay or any points for centre clearance. But a 20 point improvement just on those bad days alone averages out to 6.5PPG over the course of the year and he's back up around the 100 mark.
So he's in my team, then out, then back in again. I'll admit that it's doing my head in a bit. If I didn't have such a man-crush on him, I think the call might be easier
Maynard landed awkwardly and hurt his ankle early on - thinking it was round 3 since it was at Marvel IIRC. Could have been round 2 as he only dished up a 49 that night. Took him a while to get over it and into the season and like most at the club, seemed to be caught up in the malaise we had going on there on field. Seriously, it is hard to overstate how bad the morale was through the army at that stage and you could see from the players' efforts that it was pretty bad within the walls too. We were a rabble onfield and off, with only an ultra defensive gameplan saving us from 100 point smashings. Our loss to Gold Coast at the G in round 7 was probably the most dispirited I'd seen them play since the dying days of the Shaw era 22 years ago.
Moore went down for the season during the Melbourne game in Sydney at half year. With Howe also missing and Kelly in the medical room again, Maynard was asked often to play 2nd tall as we had nobody else who was AFL level to do the job. Still averaged 95.3, over 9 games including the 47 in round 23 when we fielded half a VFL team and an AFL contingent that wanted to be anywhere but.
2021 was a putrid year for the whole club.
Now: Roughead/Moore/Howe isn't a very durable trio of tall backs at the moment but the acquisition of Dean and Krueger should help smooth that out. And you never know, Kelly might start getting through games. He's been training forward but if our talls start falling, he could still be switched back. I doubt Maynard will be asked to do a job on Jeremy Cameron again. The danger, as always, is that he's the only one on our list with a hope of standing Toby Greene or Liam Ryan. He's bound to get those jobs again.
If Maynard spends quality time in the mids, then he is bound to get more ball. He will lose some of his scoring that he can rack up off half back though so let's say it cancels out. The big improvement will be in that he can swing through the mids when he is having a shocker (less than 80 points), of which he had 7 last year. If, on those days, he picks up just 3 contested possessions in the midfield and bangs it over 40 metres forward, as is his wont, he gains around 20 points. That doesn't count the extra tackles he would lay or any points for centre clearance. But a 20 point improvement just on those bad days alone averages out to 6.5PPG over the course of the year and he's back up around the 100 mark.
So he's in my team, then out, then back in again. I'll admit that it's doing my head in a bit. If I didn't have such a man-crush on him, I think the call might be easier
Not sure how much of Madge we are going to see this year. He was a huge favourite of Buckley's but Fly and Co might not have the same attachment. Madgen's done well to get as far as he has but is seriously weak 1 on 1 (Johnny Noble probably the only one weaker) and an unreliable kick in space, let alone under pressure. He makes a lot of positive voice and consistently leads the club in butt taps though and that sort of thing was really big under the old admin. New coaching team has been involved in a few more premierships though and might rate strength and skill a little higher.
As to the listed back 6 from R1 2021, Quaynor would be the first addition to it and Pendles/Naicos will be job sharing another spot. Madge to miss and Maynard/Crisp to spend more time in the mids IMV.
Edit: they are also going to want to see more of Ruscoe back there too. In fact, I can see similarities in the "type-of" between Trey and Madge.
As to the listed back 6 from R1 2021, Quaynor would be the first addition to it and Pendles/Naicos will be job sharing another spot. Madge to miss and Maynard/Crisp to spend more time in the mids IMV.
Edit: they are also going to want to see more of Ruscoe back there too. In fact, I can see similarities in the "type-of" between Trey and Madge.
By my read, on field in our back 6 you have:
So I think Hayden is outside at the moment, unless he massively impresses to force the coaches to pick him week in week out.
- Corr and McKay as talls (maybe Walker gets thrown in horses-for-courses)
- Turner as lock down small; JZ as a 'utility' defender (whatever that means)
- Hall and LMac on the flank
So I think Hayden is outside at the moment, unless he massively impresses to force the coaches to pick him week in week out.
I reckon Walker is pretty safely in the mix to be honest. It's really a back 7 anyway these days. Turner, JZ, Hall and LMac would be the smalls. Hayden can possibly scrape in because he can play back or midfield, Young fits the same though more outside mid. Bonar the other one who is interesting when fit, was actually pretty good last year.
Nicks also lavished praise on Dawson, who finished third in the Swans’ best-and-fairest last season.
Adelaide traded a future first-round pick in October to secure the 24-year-old.
“Jordy has come in and I wouldn’t say surprised us, but he’s been a top-level performer and one of the best players I think I’ve seen in a long time,” he said.
Wow, big compliment from the coach
Adelaide traded a future first-round pick in October to secure the 24-year-old.
“Jordy has come in and I wouldn’t say surprised us, but he’s been a top-level performer and one of the best players I think I’ve seen in a long time,” he said.
Wow, big compliment from the coach
Your Collingwood posts are some of the most insightful on the forums.
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Yeah I'm a right Collingwood tragic. But I'm going to try watching more neutral games this year to help my SC game. It was pretty hard to do there with the boring grind that AFL level footy had turned into but since it seems to have opened up a bit, and since I've got on demand viewing from Kayo, I'm hoping to enjoy a lot more footy this year