Discussion 2022: Rate My Team
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genuinely dont know how, but this is how the team has ended up looking
very scared and also hopeful that we get a couple surprise rookies
midfield is looking very strong, yet maybe too strong coz it drags down my other rookie areas
and preuss is just awkward, but it seems it might be neccesary due to the lack of rookies
thouights appreciated
very scared and also hopeful that we get a couple surprise rookies
midfield is looking very strong, yet maybe too strong coz it drags down my other rookie areas
and preuss is just awkward, but it seems it might be neccesary due to the lack of rookies
thouights appreciated
Their's a sign @Connoisseur , $ 0 remaining side
4-1-3
3-2-6
2-0-1
3-3-2
= 12-6-12
Bench is :-
Gibcus , McCartin *
D Stephens , Maginness * , Mead
S Hayes
Rachele * , Durdin
4-1-3
3-2-6
2-0-1
3-3-2
= 12-6-12
Bench is :-
Gibcus , McCartin *
D Stephens , Maginness * , Mead
S Hayes
Rachele * , Durdin
So final draft until we start to get some rookie confirmations.
Experimenting with a lot of expensive rookie types and the moves it takes, there's definitely areas I don't like but...
Backs
Structure - Rookies look really thin here, I actually would prefer to start 2-3 premiums here but ended up 4-5 was the number that works with rookies at this point. I don't want to start 4 premiums because in round 7 I envision both Daicos and McGovern being able to flip and it really does lock me up a fair bit having 4 picked, basically means less ideal starting structure at that point if things go as I expect and would, for the 2nd year straight, lock me out of value down back for the first 8 or so rounds.
Lloyd - Hasn't really left my team, I think the top 4 or so guys are all pretty much the same thing, he's durable with proven upside scoring but I'm picking for 105 from 22.
Crips - Has been in a while, think his role has the most upside with a few lucky games to bump he can push towards 110-115 range. Durable. Realistically picked for 105 from 22.
Ridley - Has been durable outside the concussion, role was solid and there's value here, he's definitely the 4th picked here. Picked for 102 from 22.
Short - Another durable pick, think he's got upside to about 105 but really not expecting any improvement. Picked for 100 from 22.
Hinge - Has the most consistent role right now but I'm not 100% convinced he'll be there or that he'll stick if he is, here for now though as his price allows flexibility.
McCartin - The strongest DEF rookie right now, imo, not an ideal on field guy but it is what it is.
Gibcus - If another 120k guy appears I'd be picking between him and Hinge, genuine coinflip.
SDK - Just about a lock if he's there round 1, not expecting much but a warm body at 123k with DPP is a warm body at 123k with DPP!
Mids
Structure - I think we have to go in relatively light here this year, there's too much rookie scoring and cash generation here compared to the other lines to do anything else, I can't see teams fielding SDK and Durdin types being able to compete with teams fielding Daicos/Ward types instead and you should get close to an extra premium elsewhere if you go that path by dropping a premium. I might actually be too heavy here!
Miller - I can afford all but Macrae on current structure, just want Miller in there for now. I think he's actually got the most upside of the big 4, admittedly he's also got the most uncertainty but I like him
Oliver - He's the cheapest of a group of 4 that I see as more or less equals and I like him (to be fair, I like Macrae and Steele also!).
Neale - Locked, he's the guy who can outscore anyone else at his best.
Cripps - Experimenting with this, I like him more than Sicily or the forwards after their putrid roles this weekend threw a serious spanner in my plans. Fact is his durability isn't any worse than Thomas/Sicily/Heeney over the past couple of years and his upside is definitely higher. I will regret this pick for the 3rd year straight, I'm aware of this
Berry - Strongest of the group, I'd happily start Polec or Caldwell also but that means more defender premiums and I don't like that, at all, or taking them over the forwards, who right now I think are pretty equal to those two and have genuine keeper narratives that don't exist for the other two.
JHF - Locked in my side, I do think there's an awful lot of scenarios that paying for Polec is actually the better choice but I'm happy with him.
Daicos - Biggest lock of anyone.
Stephens - Probably could be Ward here, probably should be Ward here, I've got flexibility here, will see what rookies are there.
Rachele - I like the look and the DPP flexibility has value over Ward which is the reason he's there. While Ward has potential for better roles, Rachele has a lot more certainty of an ok role. I don't like paying this much for the bench but I'm planning for it, if I end up with an extra 180k when rookies come along, that's a bonus.
Soligo/MacDonald - Not sure about them and they're annoyingly structural, I'd actually not be shocked if these two picks force complete restructures here in which case I'm probably looking at Ridley to Hewett... The positive is Ward exists and could always get up to Polec also.
Rucks
Structure - I've not liked the R2 options all o***eason, I still don't love them. I have Gawn first if I went that way though and to be honest that's my 2nd option behind English here. I fully expect Gawn and Darcy to explode in my face and Grundy to be the one who was the wrong option
Grundy - Has the best pathway to 130 for mine, it's not without significant obstacles but they're not as strong. He'd be an and with Gawn/Darcy if I did go that way.
English - I've really liked his role in both o***eason games, has scored the points to support the role and was a 100+ ruck just a year ago. Picked as a forward keeper but at the end of this round I think he'd be my 4th picked forward premium anyway so I'm perfectly happy with this pick as a stand alone and the structural benefits are just an added bonus.
Preuss - I could dump him for cash but I actually really liked his game and think he demanded the 2nd ruck role, Flynn was not durable last year so there's definitely an opening for him to go enormous or to just take the spot. Worst case if he plays 2nd ruck then he gets DPP. Hayes is a handcuff here, if Preuss goes HAM then I can switch English forward and field him. He's definitely high on the cut list if I get cash desperate though.
Forwards
Structure - I think the value is here in the premium rookies, the premiums that I was excited about pretty universally fell to pieces this round to the point that Taranto is probably 5th on my list after starting the weekend about 10th Chasing value and flexibility here as these should be basically the last 4 upgrade slots if things go how they're meant to (hint: they never do!). Rachele, English, SDK and McCartin all picked in a large part to mitigate the risk that is present here.
Dunkley - I still don't like the pick but the hurt factor is extreme without him and I'm not willing to end my season in round 1.
Butters - Really the only one of the forwards I was watching this weekend who walked away with a tick. I think he's capable of 95 in last year's role. I think he's capable of 110 in the role he's played this preseason. He's SC porn in how he plays.
Coniglio - He's as big a lock as there is. In the role he's playing and if he stays fit, he's a premium, not even a F6, he's a legit F2 play.
McGovern - Role is strong, hopefully his hamstrings can be too. He actually looks fit which is nice. If he makes it to his **** bye then I'll deal with it then with a smile on my face because the pick worked. DPP factor is significant here, getting those defensive rookies off the field is a priority but I don't want to be rushing the premiums either.
Brodie - Shown too much in his two games to ignore, coach has said the right things, I can draw the narrative to support those two things. AKA it puzzle has all the pieces, just need the dog (aka Fyfe) to not come along and eat them!
Xerri - Similar to Brodie really. He was the #1 ruck for both games he played and they played a worthless ruck there just to hold a structure in the game he missed, he was playing well the game he got concussed and he was excellent. We all know what R1 scoring means and Goldy is a substantial obstacle but, again, the coach is saying the right things and I can support the narrative, Goldy is not part of their future and he can support the young forwards very well and be a leader up forward. DPPs mentioned above allow me exit paths from these 3 picks if a couple bust. Honestly I think the worst case on Xerri looks to be a 50/50 split with Goldy, so still a strong scoring role for his price.
Durdin - He's premium priced, if he's not there I don't actually know what will be though...
Hayes - Structurally important but Dixon also an option. Ryder's body is more likely to provide chances and he showed enough to me to think he could play with King/Ryder up forward as Membrey is a quasi KP guy anyway. I'm not saying I love the pick but I can see him getting 6 or 7 games by the byes, he's got structural value and he's cheap...
Thoughts always welcome, if I'm missing something obvious please point it out, it's late
Experimenting with a lot of expensive rookie types and the moves it takes, there's definitely areas I don't like but...
Backs
Structure - Rookies look really thin here, I actually would prefer to start 2-3 premiums here but ended up 4-5 was the number that works with rookies at this point. I don't want to start 4 premiums because in round 7 I envision both Daicos and McGovern being able to flip and it really does lock me up a fair bit having 4 picked, basically means less ideal starting structure at that point if things go as I expect and would, for the 2nd year straight, lock me out of value down back for the first 8 or so rounds.
Lloyd - Hasn't really left my team, I think the top 4 or so guys are all pretty much the same thing, he's durable with proven upside scoring but I'm picking for 105 from 22.
Crips - Has been in a while, think his role has the most upside with a few lucky games to bump he can push towards 110-115 range. Durable. Realistically picked for 105 from 22.
Ridley - Has been durable outside the concussion, role was solid and there's value here, he's definitely the 4th picked here. Picked for 102 from 22.
Short - Another durable pick, think he's got upside to about 105 but really not expecting any improvement. Picked for 100 from 22.
Hinge - Has the most consistent role right now but I'm not 100% convinced he'll be there or that he'll stick if he is, here for now though as his price allows flexibility.
McCartin - The strongest DEF rookie right now, imo, not an ideal on field guy but it is what it is.
Gibcus - If another 120k guy appears I'd be picking between him and Hinge, genuine coinflip.
SDK - Just about a lock if he's there round 1, not expecting much but a warm body at 123k with DPP is a warm body at 123k with DPP!
Mids
Structure - I think we have to go in relatively light here this year, there's too much rookie scoring and cash generation here compared to the other lines to do anything else, I can't see teams fielding SDK and Durdin types being able to compete with teams fielding Daicos/Ward types instead and you should get close to an extra premium elsewhere if you go that path by dropping a premium. I might actually be too heavy here!
Miller - I can afford all but Macrae on current structure, just want Miller in there for now. I think he's actually got the most upside of the big 4, admittedly he's also got the most uncertainty but I like him
Oliver - He's the cheapest of a group of 4 that I see as more or less equals and I like him (to be fair, I like Macrae and Steele also!).
Neale - Locked, he's the guy who can outscore anyone else at his best.
Cripps - Experimenting with this, I like him more than Sicily or the forwards after their putrid roles this weekend threw a serious spanner in my plans. Fact is his durability isn't any worse than Thomas/Sicily/Heeney over the past couple of years and his upside is definitely higher. I will regret this pick for the 3rd year straight, I'm aware of this
Berry - Strongest of the group, I'd happily start Polec or Caldwell also but that means more defender premiums and I don't like that, at all, or taking them over the forwards, who right now I think are pretty equal to those two and have genuine keeper narratives that don't exist for the other two.
JHF - Locked in my side, I do think there's an awful lot of scenarios that paying for Polec is actually the better choice but I'm happy with him.
Daicos - Biggest lock of anyone.
Stephens - Probably could be Ward here, probably should be Ward here, I've got flexibility here, will see what rookies are there.
Rachele - I like the look and the DPP flexibility has value over Ward which is the reason he's there. While Ward has potential for better roles, Rachele has a lot more certainty of an ok role. I don't like paying this much for the bench but I'm planning for it, if I end up with an extra 180k when rookies come along, that's a bonus.
Soligo/MacDonald - Not sure about them and they're annoyingly structural, I'd actually not be shocked if these two picks force complete restructures here in which case I'm probably looking at Ridley to Hewett... The positive is Ward exists and could always get up to Polec also.
Rucks
Structure - I've not liked the R2 options all o***eason, I still don't love them. I have Gawn first if I went that way though and to be honest that's my 2nd option behind English here. I fully expect Gawn and Darcy to explode in my face and Grundy to be the one who was the wrong option
Grundy - Has the best pathway to 130 for mine, it's not without significant obstacles but they're not as strong. He'd be an and with Gawn/Darcy if I did go that way.
English - I've really liked his role in both o***eason games, has scored the points to support the role and was a 100+ ruck just a year ago. Picked as a forward keeper but at the end of this round I think he'd be my 4th picked forward premium anyway so I'm perfectly happy with this pick as a stand alone and the structural benefits are just an added bonus.
Preuss - I could dump him for cash but I actually really liked his game and think he demanded the 2nd ruck role, Flynn was not durable last year so there's definitely an opening for him to go enormous or to just take the spot. Worst case if he plays 2nd ruck then he gets DPP. Hayes is a handcuff here, if Preuss goes HAM then I can switch English forward and field him. He's definitely high on the cut list if I get cash desperate though.
Forwards
Structure - I think the value is here in the premium rookies, the premiums that I was excited about pretty universally fell to pieces this round to the point that Taranto is probably 5th on my list after starting the weekend about 10th
Chasing value and flexibility here as these should be basically the last 4 upgrade slots if things go how they're meant to (hint: they never do!). Rachele, English, SDK and McCartin all picked in a large part to mitigate the risk that is present here.Dunkley - I still don't like the pick but the hurt factor is extreme without him and I'm not willing to end my season in round 1.
Butters - Really the only one of the forwards I was watching this weekend who walked away with a tick. I think he's capable of 95 in last year's role. I think he's capable of 110 in the role he's played this preseason. He's SC porn in how he plays.
Coniglio - He's as big a lock as there is. In the role he's playing and if he stays fit, he's a premium, not even a F6, he's a legit F2 play.
McGovern - Role is strong, hopefully his hamstrings can be too. He actually looks fit which is nice. If he makes it to his **** bye then I'll deal with it then with a smile on my face because the pick worked. DPP factor is significant here, getting those defensive rookies off the field is a priority but I don't want to be rushing the premiums either.
Brodie - Shown too much in his two games to ignore, coach has said the right things, I can draw the narrative to support those two things. AKA it puzzle has all the pieces, just need the dog (aka Fyfe) to not come along and eat them!
Xerri - Similar to Brodie really. He was the #1 ruck for both games he played and they played a worthless ruck there just to hold a structure in the game he missed, he was playing well the game he got concussed and he was excellent. We all know what R1 scoring means and Goldy is a substantial obstacle but, again, the coach is saying the right things and I can support the narrative, Goldy is not part of their future and he can support the young forwards very well and be a leader up forward. DPPs mentioned above allow me exit paths from these 3 picks if a couple bust. Honestly I think the worst case on Xerri looks to be a 50/50 split with Goldy, so still a strong scoring role for his price.
Durdin - He's premium priced, if he's not there I don't actually know what will be though...
Hayes - Structurally important but Dixon also an option. Ryder's body is more likely to provide chances and he showed enough to me to think he could play with King/Ryder up forward as Membrey is a quasi KP guy anyway. I'm not saying I love the pick but I can see him getting 6 or 7 games by the byes, he's got structural value and he's cheap...
Thoughts always welcome, if I'm missing something obvious please point it out, it's late
Solid group.
Questions for mine is, what's the expectation with Rioli? I like the pick but at that price you're really looking at pretty much having to be a keeper pick and I'm not sure I like it that much.
Mitchell with groin concerns I think can't be risked, you just can't get those premium mid picks slightly wrong. The risk reward isn't there over other picks, if the groin is a problem it's a complete disaster, if it's fine you get the same as what everyone else has.
Strong team though. Watch out for the back rookies though, might not be there so may need to re-structure.
I like the on-field picks.
I really dislike the bench to achieve it. Can't see Voss, Worner or Butler playing, so you've got 3 wasted spots. Dixon is a pretty long shot to play 6 games by the byes barring more injuries at WC and may average 25 even if he does in a team that looks terrible. Kelly is a longshot with pretty ordinary scoring potential and horrific durability. O'Driscoll also looks unlikely after not playing today and you're already fielding SDK whose scoring potential could still be classified as non-existent and while I think he'll be better than that I definitely wouldn't think he's going to be a guy you want on the field and given you've got no-one to loop with it's, well fragile is the word.
Kind of team that I think can do really well the first couple of rounds because you're going to have close to an extra premium out there by cutting costs on rookies but you're going to end the season probably in the 600k range below other teams and you're extremely exposed if covid, injuries or suspension test peoples depth at any point in the first few rounds, I don't think this is a season you want close to zero bench cover, the one position you do have cover you've got no real way to use it to cover any position except mids.
The English cover for the ruck is also very sketchy, you'll need to know for certain that Preuss is out for it to be useful at all as English will be locked away on the first game and before we even have teams for GWS on several occasions. Even if you do know about the cover we circle back to the really weak rookies meaning you basically don't have cover because you're probably picking two donuts up forward and down back.
Questions for mine is, what's the expectation with Rioli? I like the pick but at that price you're really looking at pretty much having to be a keeper pick and I'm not sure I like it that much.
Mitchell with groin concerns I think can't be risked, you just can't get those premium mid picks slightly wrong. The risk reward isn't there over other picks, if the groin is a problem it's a complete disaster, if it's fine you get the same as what everyone else has.
Strong team though. Watch out for the back rookies though, might not be there so may need to re-structure.
I like the on-field picks.
I really dislike the bench to achieve it. Can't see Voss, Worner or Butler playing, so you've got 3 wasted spots. Dixon is a pretty long shot to play 6 games by the byes barring more injuries at WC and may average 25 even if he does in a team that looks terrible. Kelly is a longshot with pretty ordinary scoring potential and horrific durability. O'Driscoll also looks unlikely after not playing today and you're already fielding SDK whose scoring potential could still be classified as non-existent and while I think he'll be better than that I definitely wouldn't think he's going to be a guy you want on the field and given you've got no-one to loop with it's, well fragile is the word.
Kind of team that I think can do really well the first couple of rounds because you're going to have close to an extra premium out there by cutting costs on rookies but you're going to end the season probably in the 600k range below other teams and you're extremely exposed if covid, injuries or suspension test peoples depth at any point in the first few rounds, I don't think this is a season you want close to zero bench cover, the one position you do have cover you've got no real way to use it to cover any position except mids.
The English cover for the ruck is also very sketchy, you'll need to know for certain that Preuss is out for it to be useful at all as English will be locked away on the first game and before we even have teams for GWS on several occasions. Even if you do know about the cover we circle back to the really weak rookies meaning you basically don't have cover because you're probably picking two donuts up forward and down back.
The more I look at this team, the more I enjoy it... the extra 5 trades give me confidence that I'll be able to pick off one of the top 3 rucks at some stage. Maybe that's foolish. Obviously still subject to change, but if I look objectively at the rookie situation, Preuss fills me with more confidence than other options. (Sicily will obviously be on field).
So final draft until we start to get some rookie confirmations.
Experimenting with a lot of expensive rookie types and the moves it takes, there's definitely areas I don't like but...
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Backs
Structure - Rookies look really thin here, I actually would prefer to start 2-3 premiums here but ended up 4-5 was the number that works with rookies at this point. I don't want to start 4 premiums because in round 7 I envision both Daicos and McGovern being able to flip and it really does lock me up a fair bit having 4 picked, basically means less ideal starting structure at that point if things go as I expect and would, for the 2nd year straight, lock me out of value down back for the first 8 or so rounds.
Lloyd - Hasn't really left my team, I think the top 4 or so guys are all pretty much the same thing, he's durable with proven upside scoring but I'm picking for 105 from 22.
Crips - Has been in a while, think his role has the most upside with a few lucky games to bump he can push towards 110-115 range. Durable. Realistically picked for 105 from 22.
Ridley - Has been durable outside the concussion, role was solid and there's value here, he's definitely the 4th picked here. Picked for 102 from 22.
Short - Another durable pick, think he's got upside to about 105 but really not expecting any improvement. Picked for 100 from 22.
Hinge - Has the most consistent role right now but I'm not 100% convinced he'll be there or that he'll stick if he is, here for now though as his price allows flexibility.
McCartin - The strongest DEF rookie right now, imo, not an ideal on field guy but it is what it is.
Gibcus - If another 120k guy appears I'd be picking between him and Hinge, genuine coinflip.
SDK - Just about a lock if he's there round 1, not expecting much but a warm body at 123k with DPP is a warm body at 123k with DPP!
Mids
Structure - I think we have to go in relatively light here this year, there's too much rookie scoring and cash generation here compared to the other lines to do anything else, I can't see teams fielding SDK and Durdin types being able to compete with teams fielding Daicos/Ward types instead and you should get close to an extra premium elsewhere if you go that path by dropping a premium. I might actually be too heavy here!
Miller - I can afford all but Macrae on current structure, just want Miller in there for now. I think he's actually got the most upside of the big 4, admittedly he's also got the most uncertainty but I like him
Oliver - He's the cheapest of a group of 4 that I see as more or less equals and I like him (to be fair, I like Macrae and Steele also!).
Neale - Locked, he's the guy who can outscore anyone else at his best.
Cripps - Experimenting with this, I like him more than Sicily or the forwards after their putrid roles this weekend threw a serious spanner in my plans. Fact is his durability isn't any worse than Thomas/Sicily/Heeney over the past couple of years and his upside is definitely higher. I will regret this pick for the 3rd year straight, I'm aware of this
Berry - Strongest of the group, I'd happily start Polec or Caldwell also but that means more defender premiums and I don't like that, at all, or taking them over the forwards, who right now I think are pretty equal to those two and have genuine keeper narratives that don't exist for the other two.
JHF - Locked in my side, I do think there's an awful lot of scenarios that paying for Polec is actually the better choice but I'm happy with him.
Daicos - Biggest lock of anyone.
Stephens - Probably could be Ward here, probably should be Ward here, I've got flexibility here, will see what rookies are there.
Rachele - I like the look and the DPP flexibility has value over Ward which is the reason he's there. While Ward has potential for better roles, Rachele has a lot more certainty of an ok role. I don't like paying this much for the bench but I'm planning for it, if I end up with an extra 180k when rookies come along, that's a bonus.
Soligo/MacDonald - Not sure about them and they're annoyingly structural, I'd actually not be shocked if these two picks force complete restructures here in which case I'm probably looking at Ridley to Hewett... The positive is Ward exists and could always get up to Polec also.
Rucks
Structure - I've not liked the R2 options all o***eason, I still don't love them. I have Gawn first if I went that way though and to be honest that's my 2nd option behind English here. I fully expect Gawn and Darcy to explode in my face and Grundy to be the one who was the wrong option
Grundy - Has the best pathway to 130 for mine, it's not without significant obstacles but they're not as strong. He'd be an and with Gawn/Darcy if I did go that way.
English - I've really liked his role in both o***eason games, has scored the points to support the role and was a 100+ ruck just a year ago. Picked as a forward keeper but at the end of this round I think he'd be my 4th picked forward premium anyway so I'm perfectly happy with this pick as a stand alone and the structural benefits are just an added bonus.
Preuss - I could dump him for cash but I actually really liked his game and think he demanded the 2nd ruck role, Flynn was not durable last year so there's definitely an opening for him to go enormous or to just take the spot. Worst case if he plays 2nd ruck then he gets DPP. Hayes is a handcuff here, if Preuss goes HAM then I can switch English forward and field him. He's definitely high on the cut list if I get cash desperate though.
Forwards
Structure - I think the value is here in the premium rookies, the premiums that I was excited about pretty universally fell to pieces this round to the point that Taranto is probably 5th on my list after starting the weekend about 10th Chasing value and flexibility here as these should be basically the last 4 upgrade slots if things go how they're meant to (hint: they never do!). Rachele, English, SDK and McCartin all picked in a large part to mitigate the risk that is present here.
Dunkley - I still don't like the pick but the hurt factor is extreme without him and I'm not willing to end my season in round 1.
Butters - Really the only one of the forwards I was watching this weekend who walked away with a tick. I think he's capable of 95 in last year's role. I think he's capable of 110 in the role he's played this preseason. He's SC porn in how he plays.
Coniglio - He's as big a lock as there is. In the role he's playing and if he stays fit, he's a premium, not even a F6, he's a legit F2 play.
McGovern - Role is strong, hopefully his hamstrings can be too. He actually looks fit which is nice. If he makes it to his **** bye then I'll deal with it then with a smile on my face because the pick worked. DPP factor is significant here, getting those defensive rookies off the field is a priority but I don't want to be rushing the premiums either.
Brodie - Shown too much in his two games to ignore, coach has said the right things, I can draw the narrative to support those two things. AKA it puzzle has all the pieces, just need the dog (aka Fyfe) to not come along and eat them!
Xerri - Similar to Brodie really. He was the #1 ruck for both games he played and they played a worthless ruck there just to hold a structure in the game he missed, he was playing well the game he got concussed and he was excellent. We all know what R1 scoring means and Goldy is a substantial obstacle but, again, the coach is saying the right things and I can support the narrative, Goldy is not part of their future and he can support the young forwards very well and be a leader up forward. DPPs mentioned above allow me exit paths from these 3 picks if a couple bust. Honestly I think the worst case on Xerri looks to be a 50/50 split with Goldy, so still a strong scoring role for his price.
Durdin - He's premium priced, if he's not there I don't actually know what will be though...
Hayes - Structurally important but Dixon also an option. Ryder's body is more likely to provide chances and he showed enough to me to think he could play with King/Ryder up forward as Membrey is a quasi KP guy anyway. I'm not saying I love the pick but I can see him getting 6 or 7 games by the byes, he's got structural value and he's cheap...
Thoughts always welcome, if I'm missing something obvious please point it out, it's late
Experimenting with a lot of expensive rookie types and the moves it takes, there's definitely areas I don't like but...
View attachment 40367
Backs
Structure - Rookies look really thin here, I actually would prefer to start 2-3 premiums here but ended up 4-5 was the number that works with rookies at this point. I don't want to start 4 premiums because in round 7 I envision both Daicos and McGovern being able to flip and it really does lock me up a fair bit having 4 picked, basically means less ideal starting structure at that point if things go as I expect and would, for the 2nd year straight, lock me out of value down back for the first 8 or so rounds.
Lloyd - Hasn't really left my team, I think the top 4 or so guys are all pretty much the same thing, he's durable with proven upside scoring but I'm picking for 105 from 22.
Crips - Has been in a while, think his role has the most upside with a few lucky games to bump he can push towards 110-115 range. Durable. Realistically picked for 105 from 22.
Ridley - Has been durable outside the concussion, role was solid and there's value here, he's definitely the 4th picked here. Picked for 102 from 22.
Short - Another durable pick, think he's got upside to about 105 but really not expecting any improvement. Picked for 100 from 22.
Hinge - Has the most consistent role right now but I'm not 100% convinced he'll be there or that he'll stick if he is, here for now though as his price allows flexibility.
McCartin - The strongest DEF rookie right now, imo, not an ideal on field guy but it is what it is.
Gibcus - If another 120k guy appears I'd be picking between him and Hinge, genuine coinflip.
SDK - Just about a lock if he's there round 1, not expecting much but a warm body at 123k with DPP is a warm body at 123k with DPP!
Mids
Structure - I think we have to go in relatively light here this year, there's too much rookie scoring and cash generation here compared to the other lines to do anything else, I can't see teams fielding SDK and Durdin types being able to compete with teams fielding Daicos/Ward types instead and you should get close to an extra premium elsewhere if you go that path by dropping a premium. I might actually be too heavy here!
Miller - I can afford all but Macrae on current structure, just want Miller in there for now. I think he's actually got the most upside of the big 4, admittedly he's also got the most uncertainty but I like him
Oliver - He's the cheapest of a group of 4 that I see as more or less equals and I like him (to be fair, I like Macrae and Steele also!).
Neale - Locked, he's the guy who can outscore anyone else at his best.
Cripps - Experimenting with this, I like him more than Sicily or the forwards after their putrid roles this weekend threw a serious spanner in my plans. Fact is his durability isn't any worse than Thomas/Sicily/Heeney over the past couple of years and his upside is definitely higher. I will regret this pick for the 3rd year straight, I'm aware of this
Berry - Strongest of the group, I'd happily start Polec or Caldwell also but that means more defender premiums and I don't like that, at all, or taking them over the forwards, who right now I think are pretty equal to those two and have genuine keeper narratives that don't exist for the other two.
JHF - Locked in my side, I do think there's an awful lot of scenarios that paying for Polec is actually the better choice but I'm happy with him.
Daicos - Biggest lock of anyone.
Stephens - Probably could be Ward here, probably should be Ward here, I've got flexibility here, will see what rookies are there.
Rachele - I like the look and the DPP flexibility has value over Ward which is the reason he's there. While Ward has potential for better roles, Rachele has a lot more certainty of an ok role. I don't like paying this much for the bench but I'm planning for it, if I end up with an extra 180k when rookies come along, that's a bonus.
Soligo/MacDonald - Not sure about them and they're annoyingly structural, I'd actually not be shocked if these two picks force complete restructures here in which case I'm probably looking at Ridley to Hewett... The positive is Ward exists and could always get up to Polec also.
Rucks
Structure - I've not liked the R2 options all o***eason, I still don't love them. I have Gawn first if I went that way though and to be honest that's my 2nd option behind English here. I fully expect Gawn and Darcy to explode in my face and Grundy to be the one who was the wrong option
Grundy - Has the best pathway to 130 for mine, it's not without significant obstacles but they're not as strong. He'd be an and with Gawn/Darcy if I did go that way.
English - I've really liked his role in both o***eason games, has scored the points to support the role and was a 100+ ruck just a year ago. Picked as a forward keeper but at the end of this round I think he'd be my 4th picked forward premium anyway so I'm perfectly happy with this pick as a stand alone and the structural benefits are just an added bonus.
Preuss - I could dump him for cash but I actually really liked his game and think he demanded the 2nd ruck role, Flynn was not durable last year so there's definitely an opening for him to go enormous or to just take the spot. Worst case if he plays 2nd ruck then he gets DPP. Hayes is a handcuff here, if Preuss goes HAM then I can switch English forward and field him. He's definitely high on the cut list if I get cash desperate though.
Forwards
Structure - I think the value is here in the premium rookies, the premiums that I was excited about pretty universally fell to pieces this round to the point that Taranto is probably 5th on my list after starting the weekend about 10th
Chasing value and flexibility here as these should be basically the last 4 upgrade slots if things go how they're meant to (hint: they never do!). Rachele, English, SDK and McCartin all picked in a large part to mitigate the risk that is present here.Dunkley - I still don't like the pick but the hurt factor is extreme without him and I'm not willing to end my season in round 1.
Butters - Really the only one of the forwards I was watching this weekend who walked away with a tick. I think he's capable of 95 in last year's role. I think he's capable of 110 in the role he's played this preseason. He's SC porn in how he plays.
Coniglio - He's as big a lock as there is. In the role he's playing and if he stays fit, he's a premium, not even a F6, he's a legit F2 play.
McGovern - Role is strong, hopefully his hamstrings can be too. He actually looks fit which is nice. If he makes it to his **** bye then I'll deal with it then with a smile on my face because the pick worked. DPP factor is significant here, getting those defensive rookies off the field is a priority but I don't want to be rushing the premiums either.
Brodie - Shown too much in his two games to ignore, coach has said the right things, I can draw the narrative to support those two things. AKA it puzzle has all the pieces, just need the dog (aka Fyfe) to not come along and eat them!
Xerri - Similar to Brodie really. He was the #1 ruck for both games he played and they played a worthless ruck there just to hold a structure in the game he missed, he was playing well the game he got concussed and he was excellent. We all know what R1 scoring means and Goldy is a substantial obstacle but, again, the coach is saying the right things and I can support the narrative, Goldy is not part of their future and he can support the young forwards very well and be a leader up forward. DPPs mentioned above allow me exit paths from these 3 picks if a couple bust. Honestly I think the worst case on Xerri looks to be a 50/50 split with Goldy, so still a strong scoring role for his price.
Durdin - He's premium priced, if he's not there I don't actually know what will be though...
Hayes - Structurally important but Dixon also an option. Ryder's body is more likely to provide chances and he showed enough to me to think he could play with King/Ryder up forward as Membrey is a quasi KP guy anyway. I'm not saying I love the pick but I can see him getting 6 or 7 games by the byes, he's got structural value and he's cheap...
Thoughts always welcome, if I'm missing something obvious please point it out, it's late
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I like it and have been playing around with this same structure as it does give some flexibilty certainly around the Gawn/Darcy pick. I was sold on the Gawndy starting combo but after seeing Darcy's score for what looked a really basic game I'm thinking maybe I'd like a bit more time to have a look, also Preuss looked good and I agree ergarding English but Gawn round 1 worries me.
I'd certainly have Ward and for me it's at the expense of Xerri with Rachele forward which gives the bench cover some solid options to loop if needed (Ward, Stephens, JHF, Daicos) Xerri worries me as NM still have a few around the mark for that role.
McGovern - wish I knew more around his fitness after the game, some talk around injury, damn you Coleman for making me look at Gov.
I'm also very reluctant to fade Macrae so still have him at R1.
Cripps - I just know it's going to be more pain here but surely he can't do this 3 years running.
I'd certainly have Ward and for me it's at the expense of Xerri with Rachele forward which gives the bench cover some solid options to loop if needed (Ward, Stephens, JHF, Daicos) Xerri worries me as NM still have a few around the mark for that role.
McGovern - wish I knew more around his fitness after the game, some talk around injury, damn you Coleman for making me look at Gov.
I'm also very reluctant to fade Macrae so still have him at R1.
Cripps - I just know it's going to be more pain here but surely he can't do this 3 years running.
So final draft until we start to get some rookie confirmations.
Thoughts always welcome, if I'm missing something obvious please point it out, it's late
Thoughts always welcome, if I'm missing something obvious please point it out, it's late
I cant really argue or question any of your decisions.
EDIT: What are your thoughts of starting all 3 of Gibcus/Hinge/McCartin on field? Solves the 4th premo dilemma and would allow you to upgrade English to Gawn and start Ward as well.
Makes the first 6 rounds nerve wracking but as you said with Daicos and McGovern both expected to be named as Defenders could just be short term pain.
I like the Xerri pick and he was probably my biggest surprise of the community series as a North fan. I believe he has done enough to start the year, especially with the CCJ niggle. Noble really likes X so he should get a fair go however, if (actually I should say when lol) we struggle to get goals, that’s where I see the risk of Xerri being rotated. CCJ and Comben both the better fwds but X a much better ruck.
Also on the Cripps train. Will also be watching Rowell closely tonight. Don’t think I have the guts to start both but who knows!
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Geez the community games changed a lot of my thinking! Some good, but some definitely sub optimal (read: rookie issues!).
Liking this team at the moment although not 100% sold on all the picks. Think the announcements between now and round 1 teams will help shape things but ultimately, a lot will come down to who is named and where!
Calling out the notable points..
Backs - lack of decent rookies mean I've tried to get the cream. Short may become Stewart who I also really want, but basically the plan here is to o***et questionable scoring from the bottom with consistent high scoring from the top end. Sounds simple.. right?
Mids - Macrae won the coin toss due to the plethora of early games meaning he's a rock solid VC choice. Miller came in as I just love his work rate and think he can carry on the same as last year. Tossed up between Steele, Oliver and Parish.. any of them could well come in over the next week. Genuinely tough to pick 2/5 players I rate so highly! Ultimately though I think the mid rookies are a must even at their price.
Rucks - Gawn won me over.. Darcy still has a lot of upside but I think he is probably a player than can score 90 to 160.. where as Gawn will probably be more 105-135 type scoring. If Freo played early I'd be tempted to have Darcy as a VC option, but he's too risky as a C and the danger of a late out at the end of a round is very real.
Forwards - Dunkley is a defensive pick but his upside is there. If he scores how he could there is a good chance he hits 600k and destroys teams scrambling to get him in. If he scores "meh" it impacts everyone, and there is likely to be plenty of decent exit plans if he gets injured. English looked incredible in his role, basically a tall midfielder with intercept marking rather than a ruck.. think he'll score really strongly across the year and has the potential to go monster (200 point score in the past!). Gives flexibility too.. overall I think the positives outweigh the risks. Decided to fade Mcgovern due to injury risks, ultimately Brodie won that spot and I think the rest pick themselves. Bench is an obvious concern but Martin looked great in the half he played and think he's a genuine chance to force his way into the team, and Dixon gets his opportunity which is half the battle. The $47k ITB is ear marked for upgrading the rookie bench if better options present.
Welcome any feedback or thoughts!
A draft I am almost happy with. Thanks to @wogitalia for sorting out my forward line. All I had to do was look at my watchlist
Defence was easy as there are a few good choices.
Mid was hard as there are to many choices.
Still tossing up between Gawn and Darcy.
The forward line is the hardest, very mid price choices.
Defence was easy as there are a few good choices.
Mid was hard as there are to many choices.
Still tossing up between Gawn and Darcy.
The forward line is the hardest, very mid price choices.
